Ethiopian PM: Somalia's Islamists a threat

[AHMED_GUREY]

Sorry? I must have missed the vote on that. When did they hold a referendum to hear what the people of Ogaden wanted?

i think two wars where 15 thousand somali soldiers and 19 thousand ethiopian,cuban,russian soldiers died holds more water than a referendum

and since we are talking about ethiopia where the largest majority the oromo people can't even come to power because the election were rigged i think it's best we put that silly referendum aside

On 30 May 2005 Ogaden liberation fighters entered a colonial Ethiopian military base in Shilabo town at night after killing the base's guards. They killed over 40 enemy Ethiopian soldiers at the base.

In the three days consecutive fighting, the ONLF claims killing 67 government soldiers and capturing several of them.

On 12 June 2005 over 60 enemy soldiers were killed when two vehicles they were travelling in were destroyed at Lih-Irridod

On 13 June 2005 seven enemy soldiers were killed and five others were wounded at La-Helow. On the same date colonial Ethiopia sent a large number of troops to a place called Qamuda with an objective of conducting a military operation. After learning of their massing, Ogaden liberation forces attacked the Ethiopian soldiers, killing 62 of them

etc etc

somalis in Ogaden want to be part of the recovering Somalia who's rising phoenix like

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/23938-ethiopian-pm-somalias-islamists-threat-5.html

:thankyou:

 

[HeiGou]

i think two wars where 15 thousand somali soldiers and 19 thousand ethiopian,cuban,russian soldiers died holds more water than a referendum

I don't. Soldiers are conscripted. They are told what to do. They have little free choice. Voters vote their conscience. There is no comparison between a war of aggression and a referendum.

and since we are talking about ethiopia where the largest majority the oromo people can't even come to power because the election were rigged i think it's best we put that silly referendum aside

So the elections were rigged. Of course. There has to be a reason why your friends failed to win. And it couldn't be because the voters did not support them.

On 30 May 2005 Ogaden liberation fighters entered a colonial Ethiopian military base in Shilabo town at night after killing the base's guards. They killed over 40 enemy Ethiopian soldiers at the base.

So they surprised some conscripts as they slept and murdered them. What does this prove exactly?

No one denies that there are guerillas in Ogaden. What is obvious is that despite controlling parts of Ogaden in 1980 the guerillas were reduced to banditry and still do not control much of the region.

somalis in Ogaden want to be part of the recovering Somalia who's rising phoenix like

And yet the Somalis of Ogaden persistently refuse to rise up and help the guerillas. Odd that isn't it?

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

I don't. Soldiers are conscripted. They are told what to do. They have little free choice. Voters vote their conscience. There is no comparison between a war of aggression and a referendum.

troops are there to protect the citizens of the republic their serving

since the people of Ogaden according to the 1960's constitution of the somali republic are part of the nation the troops have every right to protect it's citizens

so Somali soldiers were there protect their fellow country men

so your claim of it being a war of agression is a non sequitur

ogaden was illigally given to Ethiopia and Somalia never recognised it as being part of Ethiopia

So the elections were rigged. Of course. There has to be a reason why your friends failed to win. And it couldn't be because the voters did not support them.

when a group that is the majority in Ethiopia and is estimated to exceed the 35 million mark goes to the election and vote but still doesn't receive power but a regime that has been commiting gross human rights violations against this group wins then you know something isn't right

why do you think BBC was banned from Ethiopia??

So they surprised some conscripts as they slept and murdered them. What does this prove exactly?

No one denies that there are guerillas in Ogaden. What is obvious is that despite controlling parts of Ogaden in 1980 the guerillas were reduced to banditry and still do not control much of the region.

Thus on the fourteenth of April four battalions from Laaso-aano village and Shilaabo District, 90 Kms East of Qabridaharre attacked the Ogaden liberation army at Caleen (Aleen) in the Qabri-daharre region. ONLF was well prepared and the Ethiopian army was routed, burning two Ural vehicles and destroying their ammunition and logistics. About 190 dead Ethiopian soldiers were counted by the liberation fighters. The rest of the Ethiopian army scattered and hundreds of small arms and thousands of rounds of ammunitions were recovered from the site. On the ONLF side five liberation fighters
martyred.

these ONLF troops aren't your average guerillas they are well armed and trained

these type of clashes happen every month and show how strong the liberation movement is but since most of the international news agencies are banned there you won't hear much about it

And yet the Somalis of Ogaden persistently refuse to rise up and help the guerillas. Odd that isn't it?

first of all show me sources that state the people don't back the liberation movement

the majority does

so the burden of proof is on your side

why do you think they are being prosecuted by this regime??

it's because there supporting the liberation movement

Ethiopia article 39

Every Nation, Nationality and People in Ethiopia has an unconditional right to self-determination, including the right to secession

When the Federal Government has organized a referendum which must take place within three years from the time it received the concerned council’s decision for secession;


on 28 January 1994, at a press conference in Addis Ababa, ONLF called for a referendum on self-determination and independence for the Ogaden. And on 22 February 1994, a cold-blood massacre took place in the town of Wardheer, where more than 81 unarmed civilians were killed by TPLF militias, who tried to kill or capture alive the chairman of the ONLF Mr. Ibrahim Abdalla Mohamed, who was addressing at that time a peaceful rally in the centre of the town.

referendums have been called for in the past and everytime they were denied so the ONLF continues till this day protecting it's people untill the somali republic re-emerges

 

[HeiGou]

troops are there to protect the citizens of the republic their serving

Is that what the Ethiopians are doing in Ogaden? Don't tell Umm Shaheed that as she may get a little cross with you.

since the people of Ogaden according to the 1960's constitution of the somali republic are part of the nation the troops have every right to protect it's citizens

So because the Somalis claim that Ogaden is part of Somalia, it is? The Republic of Ireland claims Northern Ireland still. Does that mean it is part of the Republic Ireland? If George Bushy changed the Constitution so that Iraq was part of the United States, would it be part of the United States?

so Somali soldiers were there protect their fellow country men

No, they are there to "protect" someone else's fellow countrymen. Ogaden is part of Ethiopia whatever Somalia might think. Nor does that change anything. Israeli soldiers are in the West Bank to protect their fellow countrymen. Doesn't make it right.

so your claim of it being a war of agression is a non sequitur

No it is not. It is still the core issue. It is clear that Somalis around here, and a lot in Somalia, refuse to accept internationally agreed borders. That means peace with them is not possible.

ogaden was illigally given to Ethiopia and Somalia never recognised it as being part of Ethiopia

There is no evidence that Ogaden was given to Ethiopia illegally. And Somali signed a peace treaty with Ethiopia is 1988. Want to bet that amounts to a recognition of it being past of Ethiopia?

when a group that is the majority in Ethiopia and is estimated to exceed the 35 million mark goes to the election and vote but still doesn't receive power but a regime that has been commiting gross human rights violations against this group wins then you know something isn't right

Sorry? There are 35 MILLION Somalis in Ethiopia?

why do you think BBC was banned from Ethiopia??

Usual reasons I suppose.

these ONLF troops aren't your average guerillas they are well armed and trained

Two trucks. They sound pretty average to me. But it is not important because they still haven't won despite twenty years trying and so they clearly lack popular support.

first of all show me sources that state the people don't back the liberation movement

the majority does

If the majority did they would have won by now. They have not.

referendums have been called for in the past and everytime they were denied so the ONLF continues till this day protecting it's people untill the somali republic re-emerges

Uh huh.

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

Is that what the Ethiopians are doing in Ogaden? Don't tell Umm Shaheed that as she may get a little cross with you.

don't switch it

with republic i ment somali republic and with troops i ment somali troops

So because the Somalis claim that Ogaden is part of Somalia, it is? The Republic of Ireland claims Northern Ireland still. Does that mean it is part of the Republic Ireland? If George Bushy changed the Constitution so that Iraq was part of the United States, would it be part of the United States?

your comparing apples with oranges

the people of ogaden want to be part of somalia the people of Iraq don't want be part of the U.S

Ethiopia made article 39 not Somalia so it's hypocritical that it doesn't practice what it preaches

No, they are there to "protect" someone else's fellow countrymen. Ogaden is part of Ethiopia whatever Somalia might think. Nor does that change anything. Israeli soldiers are in the West Bank to protect their fellow countrymen. Doesn't make it right.

according to the 1896 agreement it was never part of ethiopia therefore it was iligally given away

so the somali republic had every right to protect it's citizens

No it is not. It is still the core issue. It is clear that Somalis around here, and a lot in Somalia, refuse to accept internationally agreed borders. That means peace with them is not possible.

we will never accept them

wether you like it or not it's not my problem

for a people to live in peace they have to be given the right for self determination untill they received what's rightfully theirs ''the right for self determination'' there will never be peace

There is no evidence that Ogaden was given to Ethiopia illegally. And Somali signed a peace treaty with Ethiopia is 1988. Want to bet that amounts to a recognition of it being past of Ethiopia?

both parties agreed to stop supporting rebels from both nations

one of those rebel groups supported by Somalia is today in power

but somalia still didn't recognise ogaden as being part of ethiopia so it really amounts to nothing

Sorry? There are 35 MILLION Somalis in Ethiopia?

this is the problem with you

you have problems processing info presented to you

i said allready in my earlier reply ''Oromo's'' are the majority in Ethiopia

Two trucks. They sound pretty average to me. But it is not important because they still haven't won despite twenty years trying and so they clearly lack popular support.

If the majority did they would have won by now. They have not.

again a non sequitur the whole palistinian population back the armed resistance yet they have been fighting for decades

Somalia defeated the ethiopian army and took over the whole of ogaden and was advancing to adis ababa untill the russian and cubans came to the aid of the infant communist state of ethiopia

and when the somali republic rises again it will take back ogaden and this time there is no Soviet union

Uh huh.

:happy:

 

[Abdullah4ever]

Allah is the best of planners. Insha'allah it will come to peace one time. my mother is at somalia , everyday i worry if she will come back alive

 

[hanah_06]

Asalaamu'alaikum
Durah and Ahmed thank you for sharing your articles. That’s what I believe in history too. InshaAllah Somalia will get a legit goverment based on Islamic values and have a bright future..ie: us youth! Takbeer...ALLAHU AKBAR. Soomaaliya ha noolato!
W/salaam