Finally we chose conventional treatment for cancer

[ardianto]

Brother Ardianto, how is your wife now?

I cannot say she's fine. She often feel pain in her bones, need many rest on bed, and sometime she need cane for walk.

But, Alhamdulillah, she still has a hope.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

May Allaah give her the best in this world and the Aakhirah, Ameen.

 

[Scimitar]

Thumm Ameen.

Bro Ardianto, this is a very BIG test for you and your wife, Subhaan-Allah. The patience you and your wife both have thru this time of trial is admirable. The trial of health is the most difficult to bare. I am in open admiration of you and your wifes pereverance, Alhamdulillah. I pray that Allah provide your wife with shifaa from the cancer and nurse her back to full health again, AMEEN.

Scimi

 

[Muhaba]

May Allah make her well, brother ardianto. I was saddened to read about your wife having cancer but am glad that she survived it. alhamdullilah!

i agree that herbal medicine may not be the best way to treat cancer unless it has been verified that it is effective. cancer is a horrible disease that if treated too late will be uncontrollable, so it needs the right treatment from the start. if anyone suspects cancer, the right way is to go to the doctor immediately for a check up and tests. and then get the prescribed treatment if it turns out that one has cancer.

but the most important thing to do is to make dua and do salat-hajah as it is only Allah who gives cure and Allah can cure the uncurable. Read Surah Al-Fatiha and the last two surahs of the Quran a lot and also do Salat-i-hajah at once everyday. if the pateint him/herself can't, then another person should do it and pray to Allah to give him/her cure. i have heard of people being cured of other diseases with these.

these should be started as soon as one suspects cancer.

may Allah protect us all from cancer and cure whoever has it. ameen

 

[ardianto]

i agree that herbal medicine may not be the best way to treat cancer unless it has been verified that it is effective

My wife often drink soursop leaves tea. This is suggested even by the doctors.

However, soursop leaves tea is not strong enough to cure cancer, just help the main medicine to works.

 

[ardianto]

"There are many people who worse (in health condition) than me". This is what my wife always said when she back from regularly chemotherapy in hospital where she meet other patients, who many of them have worse health condition. And it always raise her hope and makes her feel thankful.


Jazak Allah khair for your advice and du'a, my brothers and my sisters.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

^ What is that tea made of brother please? As I work in a cancer hospital and it is good for recommending to patients InshaaAllaah

 

[ardianto]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soursop

Soursop is tropical fruit, that maybe could not be found in four seasons areas.

How to make soursop leaves tea?. Just boil soursop leaves in water, then drink the water, without thec leaves . Its taste is not so different than tea.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

Jazaak Allaah Khayr

 

[~Zaria~]

Assalamu-alaikum,

Bro Ardianto:
May Allah (subhanawataála) make this trial easy on you and your wife.
And may it be a means of drawing ever nearer to our Rabb and elevating your ranks in the Aakhirah.
Ameen.

There is wisdom behind everything that Allah plans for us Akhee.
Perhaps, by informing others of the lessons that you and your wife have learnt......you may be the means of changing the course of someones elses life, by the will of Allah.....


With regards to alternative therapies:
Im completely with sister منوة الخيال on this one.....

Unfortunately, it becomes a 'them' (conventional medicine practioners) vs 'us' (naturalists) debate.....which it need not be.

At the end of the day, both schools of practioners are seeking whats best for the patient, through the qoedrat of Allah (subhanawataála).

The fact is that science/ medicine is an imprecise field.
It is based on trial and error.....and while many available treatments may not afford cure (esp if instituted late in the course of disease), the best outcomes for the patient are then sought.
In the case of cancer - this would be disease-free years, trying to balance the benefits of therapy to their side-effects.

If a proponent of natural therapy - whatever it may be (accupunture, herbs, reflexology, light-therapy, reiki, etc etc) can provide EVIDENCE (in the form of a randomised, placebo vs therapy trial) that supports their claims, then the entire world would surely sit up and pay heed.

Even the most 'indoctrinated' western-schooled doctor will be prepared to give it a chance.

Because we all sincerely, only want whats best for the person who is afflicted with a life-threatening condition.

Unfortunately, I am yet to see anyone step up to this type of challenge......

So, until such evidence becomes evident, I suggest putting your faith in what is known, or what has been revealed to the prophet (sallalahu alaihi wasalam).
If need be, seek alternative care in conjunction to this (not in isolation).
And seek guidance from Allah.

When it comes to matters of ones health/ life ---- no chancers please.


:wa:

 

[Snowflake]

Wake up people. Pharmaceuticals companies don't want to 'find' natural cures for cancer or anything else. They know they exist. But the FDA will never carry out trials to back them scientifically. People are meant to be getting cancer and other diseases. And then treated with dangerous substances which themselves are life threatening. Anything that makes bucks is given the go-ahead and dangerous drugs are only taken off the market when the pharmaceuticals companies get sued NOT because people died taking their drugs. In one report, if I remember correctly, 80% of FDA approved substances are carcinogens. Does that look like they care?

FDA approves of dangerous drugs:

1. One example cited in the study was the FDA-approved diabetes drug Avandia, which in 2007 was found to increase heart attacks and cardiovascular deaths—even though the drug’s maker, GlaxoSmithKline, had known about the risk before the drug was approved.

2.
In 2003, a clinical trial of Multaq, a drug that treated cardiac arrhythmias, was stopped because more patients who were getting the drug were dying than those who received a placebo—though the study results weren’t published until five years later. Even so, the drug was approved by the FDA in 2009 as a treatment for atrial fibrillation in certain patients—just not as a means to reduce deaths!

3.

The biggest threat to America today is not terrorists or global warming, but the mass genocide of Americans who die every year at the hands of the corrupt U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). In a recent report, investigative reporter Jon Rappoport uncovers the dirty truth that FDA-approved drugs kill at least 100,000 people every single year --

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035936_FDA_homicide_victims.html#ixzz1y5pRMm7Y


4. The statistics and the facts are staggering: More than 40 people a day across the country die from prescription pain medication overdoses; more and more doctors are getting huge payouts from pharmaceutical companies to promote these drugs; and in the past 10 years, U.S. spending on prescription drugs rose 475 percent.

5.
It was only after Actos was on the market for several years that patients learned that the drug is linked to bladder cancer, congestive heart failure and a host of other deadly conditions. And even with that news, what has the FDA done to ensure Actos patient are safe?

While countries that include France, Germany and Canada have taken steps to restrict or remove Actos from the market, the FDA has taken a wait-and-see approach. The only thing the FDA has done is add a black-box warning to the drug for its link to congestive heart failure and a blurb on the drug’s label for its link to bladder cancer.


I'm just giving an example.The actual list of FDA criminality is never ending but what's the point of posting it. People are too comfortable in their own world to open the doors to the cold hard truths - that the biggest disease in the world today is the misuse of science.









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[جوري]

FDA-approved drugs kill at least 100,000 people every single year --

That's because people misuse or mix.. and that applies to anything. If a person is a drinker and takes acetominophen and ends up in liver failure whose fault is that? The bottle comes with a label. Natural cures don't come with such a label. The most they can put is this statement is not verified by the FDA.. i.e no clinical trial on animals or humans went to validate the claims.
I'd like to ask what you mean by 'Natural cures' many medications used in Medicine are natural. protamine sulfate comes from fish testicles, Premarin comes from pregnant mare urine, digoxin comes from foxglove plant (it can actually be deadly) though it is 'Natural' .. before they were cutting down on the rainforest. Scientists would go scouting for plants and break down their chemical compounds to see in what diseases they can help, by entering these structures into computers and flow cytometry etc. Now that many compounds have to to be synthesized. Nothing is without harmful side effects and everything has to come with full disclosure .. something that the 'Naturalists' don't disclose. We've had three times as many patients die of those so-called 'natural remedies' than FDA approved and do you know why? because at least with the drugs that are pushed out we have antidotes. When people take crap we don't know what it is, takes longer for toxicology reports breaking down those compounds so we can find a cure if one exists. more often than not fulminant liver or kidney failure has occurred. We're forced now to take courses to some of these so called natural remedies and recognize their side effects right away to be able to save lives, sometimes we start empirical treatments like a shot gun approach and it doesn't work.

Yes, there's much lobbying and many shady things that go on in the medical/pharmaceutical fields but there are independent regulating bodies and phase IV trials to recall... No such luck with the so called natural remedies.
Please remember that all compounds that enter the body have to be processed in the same way by the body using the same enzymes and everything absolutely every last thing even licorice or grapefruit juice can have some serious repercussions.

Should we all abandon tried and true treatments in favor of things that are largely a mystery simply because we dislike how some things are conducted? I think personally that's unfair especially to the patients whose autonomy is maintained in spite of what articles like the above say.. It is simply a battle at your expense and your life.. They have purpose and those have a purpose too.. and usually the bottom line is a dollar not a patient's life.. So at least make the dollar buy something worth your while..

 

[Snowflake]

because at least with the drugs that are pushed out we have antidotes.

If that's true why are so many already dead after taking drugs, and we're not even talking misuse here. It's a well known fact. Prescription drugs are killing more people than illegal drugs. And it's not naturalists getting sued either.

 

[جوري]

If that's true why are so many already dead after taking drugs, and we're not even talking misuse here. It's a well known fact. Prescription drugs are killing more people than illegal drugs. And it's not naturalists getting sued either.

It isn't a well known fact no.
Also there are many reasons why people die after taking drugs and I have listed some reasons above-- the immune system itself may react badly in some cases and that is no different for prescription vs. the so-called natural stuff as we have two types of immunity cell mediated and humoral and there's no escaping it by mere use of the word natural. You're welcome to share with me their autopsy and toxicology reports as such cases almost always end up a subject of investigation and I'll be more than happy to look at them and tell you what occurred in each individual case.

 

[Snowflake]

منوة الخيال;

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It isn't a well known fact no.

depends what circles you're in :lol:

Also there are many reasons why people die after taking drugs and I have listed some reasons above-- the immune system itself may react badly in some cases and that is no different for prescription vs. the so-called natural stuff as we have two types of immunity cell mediated and humoral and there's no escaping it by mere use of the word natural. You're welcome to share with me their autopsy and toxicology reports as such cases almost always end up a subject of investigation and I'll be more than happy to look at them and tell you what occurred in each individual case.

That's true natural remedies can be harmful but they've been used for thousands of years and when prescribed by a trained physician hardly ever result in death. The most that happens is that they won't suit a person's constitution and may harm them lightly, albeit temporarily. On the other hands drugs prescribed by trained doctors do cause harm and can be fatal. Drug induced liver disease is one of the major reasons given for withdrawal of a drug. I can't provide you with autopsy reports but I can tell you that the fourth major cause of death in the US is from drugs (the AMA Journal), not alternative medicines. Those dangerous herbs which the FDA want to protect the public and their pocket from cause maybe 50 deaths compared to 106,000 deaths from drugs prescribed by trained physicians. Not forgetting the 2,000,000 serious drug reactions, again from prescribed drugs.


I'm not saying that conventional med is not useful. It's done wonders in emergencies. But overall its a flawed system that does nothing to prevent disease and causes a great deal of harm. I also agree that alternative remedies do not work as fast as drugs, and neither is that necessary unless you're having a heart attack. I think we must be able to agree that if instead of modern meds, holistic health care is implemented into our lifestyles from the start, a lot of diseases could be prevented to begin with. And in the case that disease does take hold then it can prevent it from worsening without harm, like the harm caused by the side effects from drugs. So although I appreciate some aspects of modern medicine, I can't ignore it's dangers and the fact that since it came into place, disease has only risen and made life hell (from side-effects) for people who could've otherwise been safely treated with alternative medicine. So I come to the point where I have to say that we may have to agree to disagree

 

[جوري]

منوة الخيال;

depends what circles you're in :lol:

Well it isn't about circles but facts.. anyone can put out any information out there, it has no validity.

That's true natural remedies can be harmful but they've been used for thousands of years and when prescribed by a trained physician hardly ever result in death.

They may not cause death but they're not a cure either.

The most that happens is that they won't suit a person's constitution and may harm them lightly, albeit temporarily.

I guarantee that anything can cause harm to anyone in a number of ways. It is just a matter of benefit vs. risk and the percentage harmed number needed to treat etc.

On the other hands drugs prescribed by trained doctors do cause harm and can be fatal. Drug induced liver disease is one of the major reasons given for withdrawal of a drug. I can't provide you with autopsy reports but I can tell you that the fourth major cause of death in the US is from drugs (the AMA Journal), not alternative medicines. Those dangerous herbs which the FDA want to protect the public and their pocket from cause maybe 50 deaths compared to 106,000 deaths from drugs prescribed by trained physicians. Not forgetting the 2,000,000 serious drug reactions, again from prescribed drugs.

As stated everything ingested causes harm. The only reason you see the results of one and not the other is that on autopsy reports we don't test for 'natural' compounds or even 'toxic' ones unless there's a high suspicion. In other words you've to go through someone's cabinets and see what sort of crap they've been taking and test for that specific compound.

I'm not saying that conventional med is not useful. It's done wonders in emergencies. But overall its a flawed system that does nothing to prevent disease and causes a great deal of harm. I also agree that alternative remedies do not work as fast as drugs, and neither is that necessary unless you're having a heart attack.

Preventative medicine is usually in immunology & vaccinations. Doctors can't be faulted otherwise for life style choices that people make. People bring on most of the common maladies i.e diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol etc. with smoking, obesity & sedentary lifestyle. In fact people are living much longer than they ever have because of the advanced of medical science. You should compare the life expectancy now as opposed to 200 years ago, and that of places where there's advancement in medicine over those that have no access and that should take care of what is tried and true and what isn't!

I think we must be able to agree that if instead of modern meds, holistic health care is implemented into our lifestyles from the start, a lot of diseases could be prevented to begin with. And in the case that disease does take hold then it can prevent it from worsening without harm, like the harm caused by the side effects from drugs. So although I appreciate some aspects of modern medicine, I can't ignore it's dangers and the fact that since it came into place, disease has only risen and made life hell (from side-effects) for people who could've otherwise been safely treated with alternative medicine. So I come to the point where I have to say that we may have to agree to disagree

I'd hate and because I've taken an oath which I uphold and honor even if it means nothing to anyone else it means something to me to offer all I know with complete honesty before God to the best of my knowledge. I'd hate for someone to be suffering a very serious ailment to forgo that which has undergone extensive testing for some so-called natural treatment. There's always room for nutrition and spirituality but there's no room to fool around with drugs that seem to some to hold some magic property as if they don't get processed in the body subject to the laws of physiology, pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics shut down all logic and reason simply because something else bears the label of 'Natural'.. so it isn't about disagreement it is about using what we learn to educate people on the facts.

 

[Snowflake]

Just want to clarify that I don't question your or any doctors honoring of their oaths. I have the utmost respect for most doctors and every other health care professional for the care they give us. Like I said, I appreciate some aspects of modern med and drugs have their use in emergencies. What I hate is how even in non urgent cases harmful drugs are too readily prescribed without seeking cheaper and safer alternative solutions that holistic med can offer and keeping toxic drugs as a last resort. Well I can dream on because it's a business and a very profitable one for the people behind the scenes. So it doesn't matter how good a doctor or his/her intentions are, the fact is that they still prescribed drugs even when unnecessary because that is what big pharma has taught them to do.

 

[ardianto]

So it doesn't matter how good a doctor or his/her intentions are, the fact is that they still prescribed drugs even when unnecessary because that is what big pharma has taught them to do.

My sister in-law and her family were in Japan when their son got influenza. They went to the doctor, but that Japanese doctor just adviced bed rest and didn't give a drug. He said "Do not too easy to use drug".

 

[Snowflake]

My sister in-law and her family were in Japan when their son got influenza. They went to the doctor, but that Japanese doctor just adviced bed rest and didn't give a drug. He said "Do not too easy to use drug".

My statement was a general one akhi. Not for any individual doctor per se. In fact doctors in the Eastare more accepting of alternative meds than their western counterparts.