God Doesnt exist because we havent and cant see him?

[Sami Zaatari]

as you all know one common atheist argument which they mockingly use is that god doesnt exist because we dont see him, that we are dellusional and crazy for believing in the 'invisible man upstairs' as they say.

well this article refutes this argument and shows how weak and illogical and mis-interpreted it is with us God believers:

http://muslim-responses.com/The_Signs_of_God/The_Signs_of_God_

article should also be helpful for Muslims who have been having this problem as well!

 

[wilberhum]

as you all know one common atheist argument which they mockingly use is that god doesnt exist because we dont see him, that we are dellusional and crazy for believing in the 'invisible man upstairs' as they say.

well this article refutes this argument and shows how weak and illogical and mis-interpreted it is with us God believers:

http://muslim-responses.com/The_Signs_of_God/The_Signs_of_God_

article should also be helpful for Muslims who have been having this problem as well!

I'm always amazed when people say what other people say when it is not what other people say.

I have never heard any atheist say "that god doesnt exist because we dont see him". :-\

It is just another distortion to preach to the faithfull. :-[

 

[Md Mashud]

I have never heard any atheist say "that god doesnt exist because we dont see him".

Maybe because your an agnostic is why you havn't. I too agree its dumb logic.

But time and time again, people ask me stupid stuff like "have you ever seen god" - "How can he exist if you can't see him" and other crap... So its not as uncommon as you think.

 

[wilberhum]

Maybe because your an agnostic is why you havn't. I too agree its dumb logic.

But time and time again, people ask me stupid stuff like "have you ever seen god" - "How can he exist if you can't see him" and other crap... So its not as uncommon as you think.

There are a number of atheists on this forum. They speak up all the time. They are very verbal about what and why they believe. I have known lots of atheists too, none every use such stupitity.
Now of course, atheism is no protection from stupidity, so I'm sure some have made such a stupid arguement.

But to say "common atheist argument" is a totally faulse statement.

 

[Md Mashud]

Oh your signature, that works for disbelievers too .

 

[snakelegs]

sami,
the question is kind of absurd. does a rainbow not exist because i have my eyes closed? we have some very noisy atheists here - i have only read some of their posts, but none have made that statement.
i think it would be better to say that atheists say that god does not exist because there is no physical, scientific proof.
and of course beliefs do not require such proofs.

 

[Sami Zaatari]

sami,
the question is kind of absurd. does a rainbow not exist because i have my eyes closed? we have some very noisy atheists here - i have only read some of their posts, but none have made that statement.
i think it would be better to say that atheists say that god does not exist because there is no physical, scientific proof.
and of course beliefs do not require such proofs.

im not talking about atheists here. but others i have seen, i always see them laugh and mock saying theists believe in the big invisible man upstairs! they say it mockingly like were stupid because we believe in an entity we cant see etc.

 

[wilberhum]

im not talking about atheists here. but others i have seen, i always see them laugh and mock saying theists believe in the big invisible man upstairs! they say it mockingly like were stupid because we believe in an entity we cant see etc.

Boy, you must hang out with a bunch of atheists.

Anyone that presents a stance that can be refuted with one word, "AIR", is really stupid. :-\

 

[ranma1/2]

i dont think many atheists you this argument "im sure some do."

I think many use that there is no evidence of the islamic god existing.
And that science seems to contradict many things in the quran.

 

[Salaam]

have you seen your brain, NO, so you dont have a brain!!!!!

 

[wilberhum]

have you seen your brain, NO, so you dont have a brain!!!!!

And there is always that one, the most stupid of all.

I think you need a real small one to think there is any validity to it. :hmm:

 

[snakelegs]

im not talking about atheists here. but others i have seen, i always see them laugh and mock saying theists believe in the big invisible man upstairs! they say it mockingly like were stupid because we believe in an entity we cant see etc.

if that's what they are saying - they just want to provoke you. i would recommend ignore. when people mock, it shows that they are not interested in dialogue. it is their problem, not yours.

 

[Md Mashud]

And that science seems to contradict many things in the quran.

Don't make up lies. There is no such thing as contradiction of science and Islam and I challenge you to show the proof in future when making such arguements because Im sure you would be refuted very quickly. To even a greater extend, science and existance of God perfectly work without contradiction and having read so much into it, nothing yet has challenged this claim.

 

[Sami Zaatari]

And there is always that one, the most stupid of all.

I think you need a real small one to think there is any validity to it. :hmm:

well you see they say air is very 100% provable etc, the same thing with the brain, they say its 100% provable with pictures etc etc.

when it comes to god though, they apply a different way saying god isnt provable, even with the many signs of his existence.

 

[wilberhum]

well you see they say air is very 100% provable etc, the same thing with the brain, they say its 100% provable with pictures etc etc.

when it comes to god though, they apply a different way saying god isnt provable, even with the many signs of his existence.

The existance of god is not proveable, nor is his non existance.

There are valid arguements for the existance of god.
There are valid agruements for the non-existance of god.

Giving more attributes to god, gives no more agruments for the existance of god, but creates massage arguements for the non-existance.

IMHO

 

[Md Mashud]

The existance of god is not proveable, nor is his non existance.

There are valid arguements for the existance of god.
There are valid agruements** for the non-existance of god.
Giving more attributes to god, gives no more agruments for the existance of god, but creates massage arguements for the non-existance.

IMHO

Unfortunatly, I have never came across these. Usually the arguements are not linked to existance of God, but rather just explanation of a process, which true or not, would have no conflict with the existance of God. I always get a smile when, someone explains the theory of X or Y, say Evolution as an example in a Theist vs Atheist debate, its as if they think that if the theory was true God doesn't exist .

P.S. If someone can give me a valid arguement to the non-existance of God, please PM me .

 

[wilberhum]

Unfortunatly, I have never came across these. Usually the arguements are not linked to existance of God, but rather just explanation of a process, which true or not, would have no conflict with the existance of God. I always get a smile when, someone explains the theory of X or Y, say Evolution as an example in a Theist vs Atheist debate, its as if they think that if the theory was true God doesn't exist .

P.S. If someone can give me a valid arguement to the non-existance of God, please PM me .

It is so nice to see someone not buying into the “evil atheist scientists” trying to prove god doesn't exist junk.

What I was trying to say was.
Pro - The universe needs a greater.
Con - Well then by the same logic god needs a creater.

Now if you say god is just, I can give many examples of injustice.

So the more attributes you give god, the more, and more vaild arguments against the existance one can come up with.

Is that clear? I hope so. :hiding:

 

[Md Mashud]

Thing is, God being just, would be relative, to what God designed, by believing in God, you would see life under a new glass - Rather then life is be all and end all, thus alot would seem as injustice beleiving in the latter and I would agree to it, but we don't believe in this life being all. Proof of this is, how, I don't think theres anything unjust by God, while a disbeliever will say if God existed why did he create evil. Different terminology.

 

[wilberhum]

Thing is, God being just, would be relative, to what God designed, by believing in God, you would see life under a new glass - Rather then life is be all and end all, thus alot would seem as injustice beleiving in the latter and I would agree to it, but we don't believe in this life being all. Proof of this is, how, I don't think theres anything unjust by God, while a disbeliever will say if God existed why did he create evil. Different terminology.

A lot depends on how you look at things.
I concider what you are saying is an explination about being just .ETC....
But I don't see it as a valid agruement for the existance of god.

 

[Md Mashud]

That explanation was not an arguement for the existance of God, just a refuatation that the original comment that "God being just and creating unjust on the Earth" contradicts the characteristic bought by religion, because not all agree to that statement, or see it that way par say.

Also it should be noted that, even if one doubts a religion (in terms of what it has said about anything, including God), that should not be used as a counter-arguement for Gods existance, many people beleive in God and not a religion. You can at best say that the religion is wrong to assume God is just, but never God doesnt exist, if you get what Im saying.