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Allah created everything around us, so he is not subject to space or time. Since Allah created these things he does not need them. There is no "place" some where that Allah is. Allah is beyond these physical locations, He is much greater than that.
 
kwolney01 said:
Allah created everything around us, so he is not subject to space or time. Since Allah created these things he does not need them. There is no "place" some where that Allah is. Allah is beyond these physical locations, He is much greater than that.
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Peace kwolney01,

I like your point of view. I reckon then you've voted for option 4. Did you have any evidence from the Qur'an or hadiths to back up your belief?
 
kwolney01 said:
Allah created everything around us, so he is not subject to space or time. Since Allah created these things he does not need them. There is no "place" some where that Allah is. Allah is beyond these physical locations, He is much greater than that.
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Allah exists. This is a belief. We exist. This is a fact. Facts can be located. Beliefs can only be imagined. Locating Allah is the purpose of human life. Those who have located him say that He is our very soul - the soul of existence.
 
Voted: option 4

Reason: A creator can not exist within his/her creation. Therefore he does not exist in a place.

If he existed within his (I say "his" because english does not have an appropriate gender for God) creation then he would not be God.

Hope that makes sense?
 
Indigåtor said:


Omnipresent? You either judge the universe as being God/bearing the essence of God, or that nature itself is divine.

Feel free to explain away.
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All existence is one, is of one essence and that essence is LIFE, is God. As long as man separates God from himself, he would continue to be restless. But when man unites with God in the understanding that he is part of God, then he, being part of God, becomes God - just as the waves, being part of the ocean, becomes the ocean.
 
Allah is not bound by time & space, true, but it's actually quite complicated from there on. or not,,
In Islam he has several 'names', these are attributes that can't mostly be his without his creation, such as the merciful, the creator and so on.

One of the names, in close translation means 'the All knowing', this means that he knew of us even before our creation, so we were part of his knowledge, and his knowledge is eternal as he is. Before our existence, we were a possibility for existence. Without creating, 'The Creator' is only a possibility, not manifest yet.

he is the only being existing absolutely, truly, we-and the rest of his creation- exist temporally, relatively.

He is described in arabic as a 'That', which approximately means 'self/being', his 'That' separate from his attributes is nowhere in regards to us, it is beyond creation, his names and attributes, that are the names and attributes of the 'That' are-appearently- in this world; his creation.
They are his actions, the link between us-and all creation- and him.
We notice his actions, and through them know of him, but not him, for he is beyond us, greater than us.

Some notice his actions behind all occurrences, and thus are lost within him; his actions, thus are not aware of the difference. In Islam we clearly separate between Allah and his creation, true, we do seek, and long for him, but we are not him.
 
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The poll is faulty, Allah Subhannahu wa Ta' Aala exists over and above the heavens and the earth (creation).

This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursi, explains:

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Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter . And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
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^ that would be the standard reply, and really the best, it doesn't benefit us much form such musings..
 
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The belief of mainstream Muslims' is that God is separate from His creation. He is above the Heavens' above His Throne as He has informed us in the Qur'an:

{The Most Merciful [who is] above the Throne established.}{20; 5}

I've added a poll option accordingly. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread, if I feel that the discussion is diverging, turning deeply philosophical, or getting nowhere, I'll probably have to close it.
 
i chose the one closest to my view, as Allah himself says he rose above his throne, what this means Allahu Alim.
 
above his throne and the throne is above the heavens.....so my answer is above the heavens
 
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Allaah is fee as-Samaa' (above The Heavens), Mustawin 'ala al-'Arshih (over His Throne), separate from His Creation.
 
This doesn't really answer the question but is a beautiful narration. Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu 'Alayhi Wa-Sallam) said:

‘Compared with the kursi (seat of honor), the whole universe is as little as a ring thrown upon a desert. Similarly, compared with the ‘arsh (throne), the kursi is as little as a ring thrown upon the desert.’

SubhaanAllah. How can we even begin to imagine the greatness of Allah.
 
Thanks to all who voted and replied. By 'heaven' I did indeed mean 'above the seven heavens', or over the universe.

It appears a few Muslims here disagree with physically locating God due to the unseen 'area' over the heavens itself being a creation of God. I agree with their proposition. Interestingly, most of you have favoured the literal interpretation.

How do you account for the logic that anything above the 'seven heavens' [the divine presence] too is created; God positioning Himself within His own creation? If we consider God's location to be uncreated then we have basically invented another god, but, if we assume it was created and yet God exists in it, that would mean God has identified Himself with what He created.

"God rose above and firmly established Himself on the throne in a way that befits His majesty" is a vague explanation. Where do you think God was before He created the arsh, kursi and the heavens?

This question applies to Christians and Jews also, but none of them voted or shared their opinions in this topic. Where's that ol' Grace Seeker, I wonder what he has to say on the matter.

Peace,

Indigåtor
 
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