Government to ban Islam4UK under terror laws

[Supreme]

Anjem Choudary: I’m smiling because sharia is coming

He's a hypocrite, what more can I say? He's a laughable, hateful, hated hypocrite. He's the Islamic Nick Griffin and Mr Bean combined.

 

[Blackpool]

The BNP should definately not be banned. They are a political party and have every right to be. I hate Labour but I don't feel that they should be banned despite sending our troops to needless wars.They highlight points that the current government doesn't. They keep the big 2 on their toes. The difference between the BNP and Choudary's groups are that the BNP doesn't actively support terrorism.

 

[abu salaahudeen]

He's a hypocrite, what more can I say? He's a laughable, hateful, hated hypocrite. He's the Islamic Nick Griffin and Mr Bean combined.

explain to us about his hypocricy since your such an expert??

 

[Supreme]

The BNP should definately not be banned. They are a political party and have every right to be. I hate Labour but I don't feel that they should be banned despite sending our troops to needless wars.They highlight points that the current government doesn't. They keep the big 2 on their toes. The difference between the BNP and Choudary's groups are that the BNP doesn't actively support terrorism.

They support facism, which is equally as bad. The BNP can sugercoat their party all they want, but the reality is stark; they are vile racists, and if they ever became government, I'm buying a one way ticket to Sydney so me and black girlfriend can escape their digusting campaigns against minorities.

 

[Supreme]

explain to us about his hypocricy since your such an expert??

Gladly.

He criticizes the British Government whilst claiming thousands of pounds of benefits from them.
He wants Sharia imposed, yet is an ex alcoholic, former drug/sex/porn addict.
He acknowledges he's in a minority even within the Muslim community, but still thinks Sharia Law is a possibility (yet not too keen to give a date when).
Thinks the Army is a genocidal, corrupt anti Muslim force yet fantasises about the same Army overthrowing the government in a coup and making him Prime Minister.

Any more examples, or will that suffice?

 

[abu salaahudeen]

how is it hypocritical to take money from the government thats his right as a human being also whilst trying to remove this cancer of democracy he is reaping the resources which is from God. Theres nothing wrong with that he is more than entitled to my taxes.

If he was involved in evil that was his past and he clearly opposes these vile acts and i would know

how is it hypocritical if he's living in a minority and wants shariah. You lost the plot idiot

and the point about the army?? Seriously are you that stupid??

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

The BNP should definately not be banned. They are a political party and have every right to be. I hate Labour but I don't feel that they should be banned despite sending our troops to needless wars.They highlight points that the current government doesn't. They keep the big 2 on their toes. The difference between the BNP and Choudary's groups are that the BNP doesn't actively support terrorism.

They actively incite hate against Islam and non-white races. Is that right of them to do so? Your supporting a group which is well known for its Nazi support? Disgusting!

How you can even say anything positive about the BNP says a lot about you as a person!

 

[CosmicPathos]

Gladly.

He criticizes the British Government whilst claiming thousands of pounds of benefits from them.
He wants Sharia imposed, yet is an ex alcoholic, former drug/sex/porn addict.
He acknowledges he's in a minority even within the Muslim community, but still thinks Sharia Law is a possibility (yet not too keen to give a date when).
Thinks the Army is a genocidal, corrupt anti Muslim force yet fantasises about the same Army overthrowing the government in a coup and making him Prime Minister.

Any more examples, or will that suffice?

Ok your comment about him being ex alcoholic and ex porn addict is a bit alarming. Yes those are sinful acts from Islamic perspective but it seems he has stopped those actions and repented to God and if he did those sins in public, he has made a apology in public? Islam does not stop a sinner from implementing Islamic laws if he repents. Some of the companions of Prophet used to drink alcohol when they were non-Muslims but after accepting Islam and repenting, they became as pure .... just wanted to correct your opinion on that.

This, however, does not mean I support him. I disagree with his views even though he is a Muslim brother. I wont say anything about him more than that as that would be not an Islamic etiquette.

 

[Chechnya]

Gladly.

He criticizes the British Government whilst claiming thousands of pounds of benefits from them.

he has benefits because he has become unemployable after his demonisation in the media - also for all we know he could have personal issues as many people do but to suggest his not allowed to criticize the goverment because he is on benefits is ridiculous

He wants Sharia imposed, yet is an ex alcoholic, former drug/sex/porn addict

i have highlighted the key word for you here - in fact it has been over 15 years since he left all these vices behind, left his secular lifestyle behind and became a practising muslim

in this environment of "integration" its sad that many of us start living as non-muslims and get duped into such a lifestyle which is completely contrary to our beliefs but alhamdulillah many like anjem choudary wake up from it and repent from it and turn their lives around

He acknowledges he's in a minority even within the Muslim community, but still thinks Sharia Law is a possibility (yet not too keen to give a date when).

Of course its possible - in fact when the first islamic state was established in Medina, Muslims were only about 5% of the population
- it is up to the muslims to continue giving dawah and working towards it

Thinks the Army is a genocidal, corrupt anti Muslim force yet fantasises about the same Army overthrowing the government in a coup and making him Prime Minister.

where has he said he wants to be prime minister at the head of an army-led coup?

please provide evidence

Any more examples, or will that suffice?

you havent given one example yet so no, that will not suffice by any means

please try again

 

[Supreme]

he has benefits because he has become unemployable after his demonisation in the media - also for all we know he could have personal issues as many people do but to suggest his not allowed to criticize the goverment because he is on benefits is ridiculous

Criticizing the government is not the same as wanting to overthrow it. All the same, it is rather hypocritical- would a government less evil than the British Government give him benefits at all? As for personal issues, I agree, I would in fact be very surprised to discover that he didn't have personal issues.

i have highlighted the key word for you here - in fact it has been over 15 years since he left all these vices behind, left his secular lifestyle behind and became a practising muslim

He's still a hypocrite, and he still fails to acknowledge that is his dream world was in reality the government, he'd have been inmprisoned, possibly even executed, long ago for his party loving behaviour.

in this environment of "integration" its sad that many of us start living as non-muslims and get duped into such a lifestyle which is completely contrary to our beliefs but alhamdulillah many like anjem choudary wake up from it and repent from it and turn their lives around

Ah, that's his excuse. He's blaming others. It wasn't his fault. He was forced to take drugs and watch porn and have casual sex. Well why didn't you say so. So he isn't just a hypocrite with a low IQ, he is also a very weak character that can't evade social norms.

Of course its possible - in fact when the first islamic state was established in Medina, Muslims were only about 5% of the population
- it is up to the muslims to continue giving dawah and working towards it

This is 21st century Britain, not pre Islamic Arabian city states. You can't possibly hope to compare what happened in a couple of city states a few thousand years ago where everyone was deeply religious to a secular so called 'corrupt' society where God is an inconvenience for the population and people have given up on religion for a more care free lifestyle.

where has he said he wants to be prime minister at the head of an army-led coup?

please provide evidence

Sure, if you bothered to read the article:

I ask him to be serious. “Seriously ... I don’t think I need to leave Britain; I think that we can live here and propagate Islam and one day we will implement the sharia here.” He is vague about the timeframe but more specific about the method. “Public awareness and possibly a military coup,”

The guy's nuts.

you havent given one example yet so no, that will not suffice by any means

Four examples, and yet not a single worthwhile argument raised against them.

 

[Amadeus85]

According to the Guardian because of this:


But I agree this is a bad move. Britain is really going to far with all it's anti-terrorism and anti-discrimination laws. I think we in Europe should really move more towards the American model of freedom of speech.

God forbid Europe from becoming more like USA :embarrass

 

[Raaina]

The BNP should definately not be banned. They are a political party and have every right to be. I hate Labour but I don't feel that they should be banned despite sending our troops to needless wars.They highlight points that the current government doesn't. They keep the big 2 on their toes. The difference between the BNP and Choudary's groups are that the BNP doesn't actively support terrorism.

Political party or not. They still spout racial and religious hatred, which is against the law, so technically, should also be banned.

 

[Chechnya]

Criticizing the government is not the same as wanting to overthrow it. All the same, it is rather hypocritical- would a government less evil than the British Government give him benefits at all? As for personal issues, I agree, I would in fact be very surprised to discover that he didn't have personal issues.



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He has seen what he percieves to be a wrong and speaking out against it - if its wrong to give him benefits, then the british government should pull the plug on him but i have no doubt that would not stop him speaking out

He's still a hypocrite, and he still fails to acknowledge that is his dream world was in reality the government, he'd have been inmprisoned, possibly even executed, long ago for his party loving behaviour.

many muslims have died speaking out against their governments, so again this issue is irrelevant as we dont know what his reaction would be if the law was different

Ah, that's his excuse. He's blaming others. It wasn't his fault. He was forced to take drugs and watch porn and have casual sex. Well why didn't you say so. So he isn't just a hypocrite with a low IQ, he is also a very weak character that can't evade social norms.

your talk of his past shows your complete lack of credible arguement - he did wrong, repented from it and never went back to it so as muslims we dont judge him for it - you, as a non-muslim on the other hand seem to want to revel in his past mistakes ( mistakes btw which are the norm for most non-muslims) - since he became a practicing muslims, he has left his previous life behind alhumdulillah, may Allah (swt) accept his repentance

This is 21st century Britain, not pre Islamic Arabian city states. You can't possibly hope to compare what happened in a couple of city states a few thousand years ago where everyone was deeply religious to a secular so called 'corrupt' society where God is an inconvenience for the population and people have given up on religion for a more care free lifestyle.

it is Allah (swt) that gives victory, not you or i - islam coming to britain has about as much chance as one man in mecca preaching about the one God and people riducling him for it yet within a few decades, the teachings about the one God were spread across the continent and spread from china to europe

Sure, if you bothered to read the article:

you said he want to be prime minister, so please provide the source

Four examples, and yet not a single worthwhile argument raised against them.

not one credible arguement amongst them, refering to his past, talkng about him being prime minister - without providing proof, accusing him of being in a dream world when its you who cant come up with a simple arguement etc.

 

[M..x]

Gladly.

He criticizes the British Government whilst claiming thousands of pounds of benefits from them.
He wants Sharia imposed, yet is an ex alcoholic, former drug/sex/porn addict.
He acknowledges he's in a minority even within the Muslim community, but still thinks Sharia Law is a possibility (yet not too keen to give a date when).
Thinks the Army is a genocidal, corrupt anti Muslim force yet fantasises about the same Army overthrowing the government in a coup and making him Prime Minister.

Any more examples, or will that suffice?

I dont think its fair to label him a hippocrite based on his past mistakes. =)

 

[zakirs]

ooh UK politics are so confusing :heated: :heated: :heated:

 

[Muezzin]

ooh UK politics are so confusing :heated: :heated: :heated:

And are thus fairly representative of politics in general.

 

[Supreme]

I dont think its fair to label him a hippocrite based on his past mistakes. =)

A 'mistake' for a Muslim is taking a sip of alcohol, or looking at page 3 at best- Choudary seems to have gone further than mere 'mistakes', he has clearly sinned gravely, especially according to his version of Islam, and he has demonstrated he was (and to a great extent still is) a very weak individual, as he cannot evade alcohol without being infatuated with the stuff. He has demonstrated in the past his inability and general weakness to resist Western and kaffir culture, and I have every reason to believe this will be his downfall- well, either that or a visit from an EDL advocate.

I will address Chechnya's post tomorrow God willing.

 

[Chechnya]

A 'mistake' for a Muslim is taking a sip of alcohol, or looking at page 3 at best- Choudary seems to have gone further than mere 'mistakes', he has clearly sinned gravely, especially according to his version of Islam, and he has demonstrated he was (and to a great extent still is) a very weak individual, as he cannot evade alcohol without being infatuated with the stuff. He has demonstrated in the past his inability and general weakness to resist Western and kaffir culture, and I have every reason to believe this will be his downfall- well, either that or a visit from an EDL advocate.

I will address Chechnya's post tomorrow God willing.

i know muslims that used to drink, go clubbing, sleep around and were completely ignorant about islam - and now after they were given dawah, theyve turned their lives around, embraced islam fully and not just by name and stay away from such vices - in fact theres most likely muslims on this forum who were once far way from islam and indulged in haram acts

that doesnt make them hypocrites now for stopping all their vices, following islam and staying away from such bad things - in fact they should be praised for turning their lives around and realising the purpose to life - for controlling their nafs and doing everything for the sake of Allah (swt)