Guantánamo

[aamirsaab]

I say their outlook is better than Nick Berg's and Daniel Pearls but that's not the point. Let's say we let every single person go back to their home countries. If we catch them in the battlefield again we can summarily execute them right?

You mean shoot them? Sure. That's what happens on the battlefield.

Whilst I'd rather not have people killing one another, I'd accept it more on the grounds of a battlefield as opposed to a torture camp in an attempt to ''fight the war on terrorism'', ''justice'', etc. At least it's honest!

 

[islamirama]

And a lot were released but that didn't answer my question.

Your question is irrelevant, stop invading other nations, bombing their homes, torturing their civilians, and stealing their resources and you won't have any problems. Instead throwing hypothetical questions around why don't you focus on stopping your gov't from illegal occupation and toture of these people. It's a shame to always find the citizens of the invader justify their leader's war crimes. shameless greedy cowardly leaders and their people.

If they wouldn't release those proven to be innocent and taken by mistake, you expect me to believe they release the others? Where is the proof of them being released. Lot of them were shipped to a stronger, bigger prison. If 40-60% are innocent for sure then what about others.

As for the whole "enemy combatant" label, it's illegal. US invaded a nation and people in that land fought back against the invaders. If anything, they are prisoners of War and should be treated by International law on POWs and not be put under US's own illegal torture chambers with stupid labels to justify tortures and forced fake testimonies.

 

[Izyan]

You mean shoot them? Sure. That's what happens on the battlefield.

Whilst I'd rather not have people killing one another, I'd accept it more on the grounds of a battlefield as opposed to a torture camp in an attempt to ''fight the war on terrorism'', ''justice'', etc. At least it's honest!

Fair enough I agree.

 

[Muezzin]

Deleted several off-topic posts. If this thread continues with off-topic discussion, and conspiracy theories, I'll lock it.

Please stay to the topic, everyone.

 

[militant g-hard]

Deleted several off-topic posts. If this thread continues with off-topic discussion, and conspiracy theories, I'll lock it.

Please stay to the topic, everyone.

hey what gives!

its sad that you get theses non muslims who come on places like this and call you terrorists and attack your religion for things like 9/11. and instead of telling the truth about 9/11 you stay quite accepting what these non muslims say.

 

[Muezzin]

hey what gives!

its sad that you get theses non muslims who come on places like this and call you terrorists and attack your religion for things like 9/11. and instead of telling the truth about 9/11 you stay quite accepting what these non muslims say.

Firstly, this topic is about Guantanamo, not 9/11.

Secondly, please read this. I'll quote it too:

'Due to some recent and on-going misuse of the World Affairs section, we would like to clarify some rules and reminders specific to this section of the forum:
No praise of, condoning of, or calls for violence or other unislamic behaviour will be tolerated whatsover on the forum.
Articles which present an incorrect representation of Muslims or Islamic teachings, by highlighting unIslamic acts, are unacceptable.
If any member feels that an article or comment should not have been posted or serves no purpose, then they are to inform the forum administration. There will be no arguments amongst members as to whether or not an article should be posted.
No discussions on conspiracy theories will be allowed. Such conjecture benefits no one.
Always post a source for an article.

JazakAllah khayr/thank you for your cooperation.'

Thirdly, if you're going to imply I'm a stooge of any kind, I'd prefer it if it were Shemp.

 

[militant g-hard]

Firstly, this topic is about Guantanamo, not 9/11.

Secondly, please read this. I'll quote it too:

'Due to some recent and on-going misuse of the World Affairs section, we would like to clarify some rules and reminders specific to this section of the forum:
No praise of, condoning of, or calls for violence or other unislamic behaviour will be tolerated whatsover on the forum.
Articles which present an incorrect representation of Muslims or Islamic teachings, by highlighting unIslamic acts, are unacceptable.
If any member feels that an article or comment should not have been posted or serves no purpose, then they are to inform the forum administration. There will be no arguments amongst members as to whether or not an article should be posted.
No discussions on conspiracy theories will be allowed. Such conjecture benefits no one.
Always post a source for an article.

JazakAllah khayr/thank you for your cooperation.'

Thirdly, if you're going to imply I'm a stooge of any kind, I'd prefer it if it were Shemp.

i see, you highlight the part talking about conspiracy theories. u see 9/11 was not carried out by osama. when 9/11 happend you saw alot of islam bashing going on and also thousands of muslims bieng killed. yet you do not stand up for the truth and just accept it as a conspiracy theory. no muslims should be embarrased aboput calling the 9/11 an inside job. look at that izyan guy who said stop flying planes into buliding, angdyou just let people like him to say offensive things like that instead of standing up for the truth that
osam didnot carry out 9/11.

he even said to stop hijacking cruise ships, yet you see that they r bieng done by pirates not islamic people. you didnt defend yourself there either.

 

[Muezzin]

i see, you highlight the part talking about conspiracy theories. u see 9/11 was not carried out by osama. when 9/11 happend you saw alot of islam bashing going on and also thousands of muslims bieng killed. yet you do not stand up for the truth and just accept it as a conspiracy theory. no muslims should be embarrased aboput calling the 9/11 an inside job.

This thread is about Guantanamo, not 9/11.

look at that izyan guy who said stop flying planes into buliding, angdyou just let people like him to say offensive things like that instead of standing up for the truth that
osam didnot carry out 9/11.

he even said to stop hijacking cruise ships, yet you see that they r bieng done by pirates not islamic people. you didnt defend yourself there either.

Jazakallah for alerting me to an off-topic post I missed.

 

[islamirama]

Portugal to take Guantanamo inmates

Portugal is willing to receive detainees from the US-run Guantanamo Bay detention camp in Cuba, Luis Amado, the foreign minister, has said.

He said there had "been a clear consensus [in Europe] throughout on the need to close this detention centre".

The detention of inmates without trial has tainted the US's human rights record, and Barack Obama, the US president-elect, has said he will close the camp.

The Portuguese government urged its European Union partners to also accept to resettle detainees.

"The time has come for the European Union to step forward," a letter produced by the Portuguese foreign ministry read.

"As a matter of principle and coherence, we should send a clear signal of our willingness to help the US government in that regard [closing Guantanamo], namely through the resettlement of the detainees."

'The Guantanamo problem'

Daniel Gorevana, from Amnesty International, told Al Jazeera that the Portuguese offer was a call to other European governments to help solve "the Guantanamo problem".
"As part of that they [Portugal] are offering to take individuals from Guantanamo whether they are cleared for release through the official US system or not," he said.
"I think it's important to note that the US system of clearing individuals at Guantanamo is fairly arbitrary and most of the individuals who have been released from Guantanamo have not gone through that process.

About 255 men are still held in the prison, including 50 the US has cleared for release but cannot repatriate for fear they will be tortured or persecuted in their home countries.

"There's a large Yemeni population [in Guantanamo] and we know that US is in negotiations with the Yemeni government to repatriate some of those individuals. There's a smaller number of detainees that the US plans to charge and try," Gorevana said.

"They're currently doing that under the military commission system and Amnesty are calling for those detainees to be transferred to the US and charged in federal criminal courts."

'Closer to the goal'

Albania is the only country that has accepted detainees on humanitarian grounds, taking in five members of China's Uighur ethnic minority in 2006.

Portugal's offer to take in detainees will bring the US closer to its goal of closing the offshore military prison, a US diplomat said on Thursday.

Clint Williamson, the ambassador-at-large for war-crimes issues, said the gesture marks a breakthrough in efforts to find new homes for detainees who would risk persecution or torture in their native countries.

"We certainly welcome this initiative," Williamson said in an interview with the Associated Press news agency.

"We have approached over 70 countries at this point, and I personally visited a number of those capitals, raising this with other governments."

Security concerns

Obama has also pledged to move the remaining prisoners' trials into regular US civilian or military courts.

Manfred Nowak, the UN's torture investigator, recommended last month that European countries take in Guantanamo inmates who cannot be sent home.
Williamson said governments have been reluctant to accept the men because of security and political concerns.

"In some cases, they have just been reluctant to associate themselves with an unpopular policy related to Guantanamo," he said.

PHOTO CAPTION
Detainees at Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Al-Jazeera
Sunday : 14/12/2008

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Comments:

What a shame! Not a single miserable leader in the Muslim World has openly called for closing Guantanamo!

What a shame! Not a single Muslim government has demanded the release of its nationals illegally kidnapped and detained in Guantanamo!

How shameful! Not one Muslim State has offered to resettle some or all of the Muslim detainees from Guantanamo, not even its own citizens!