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No!

I really don't know why Dr. Naik chooses to spread da3wa to the Hindus in my personal opinion I think he should stay as far away from them as possible.. whomever seeks the light of Allah swt, s/he shall find it, without all these acrobatics some scholars chose to subscribe to.. what is the point really, in using their scriptures to prove anything? these are people still praying to 'Laskshmi'
and think a poor unfortunate girl who was born fused with a parasitic twin is her re-incarnate.. do we honestly want to use those kinds of books to prove anything?

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please give me a break.. I have respect for Dr. Naik, but I don't agree at all with what he is doing as far as Hindus are concerned...


and Allah swt knows best

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I agree with sister Skye there. I respect Dr Naik for his knowledge of Islam but I was a bit disappointed to see him trying to find Islamic bits in the hindu scriptures...
 
Dr Naik is a medical doctor trying to be Ahmad Deedat.

As for hindu scriptures mentioned anything about Mohammad (pbuh) or Islam is because they are a nation who will come on J-Day and deny their prophet. They like christians, full of polytheism, with only difference is that they went beyond the limits so much that they lost all the real scriptures but bits here n there.

http://www.islam4all.com/the_prophet_of_the_hindu_race.htm
 
Sisters and Brother.
We should appreciate Dr. Zakir Naik and all that he does for his deen. As for staying away from Hindus as much as possible, they're human beings too. What are the Agnostic and Christian brothers going to think if they read this post? We are all siblings in humanity. Anyway, Hindus aren't going to drop their multiple gods all at once and just "believe." They need proof and Dr. Naik is doing whatever he can to bring the truth out and help the people out there. Just like you said, he is a doctor by profession. WE SHOULD APPRECIATE HIM EVEN MORE. He is a doctor and has memorized the Quran, Bible, Vedas and all those other religious scriptures and he cites them from memory! Mashallah! Alhamdulilah that we have a man like that in our Ummah, who does all that is within his control to spread the true deen. A HINDU WOMAN CONVERTED TO ISLAM. It shows that he isn't doing all this in vain after all... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kunkTOp6PwU
 
Greetings and peace be with you Confused,

I believe in one God the creator of all that is seen and unseen, and when I walk through town I see a part of God’s wonderful creation. I see people who could be atheist, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, all kinds of people created by the same God, the same God hears all our prayers despite all our differences.

Surely we have a duty to care for all of God’s creation, and that comes down to caring for each other despite all our differences.

Religion causes us so many problems, the problem seems to rest on the fact that we cannot prove to each other that God exists. My proof for the existence of God rests on the Bible which you would not recognise.

Beyond a doubt I believe Christianity to be the one true faith, yet I sense this great sincerity of beliefs from people of many other faiths.

I sense in many ways that the same God has given each of us scriptures more for the purpose of striving to change ourselves, to seek justice for all people, to help the poor, to love our neighbours, despite all our differences.

In the spirit of praying for an inner peace that surpasses all understanding, in the spirit of praying for peace on Earth.

Eric
 
Peace be unto you Brother Eric,
I appreciate the fact that you decided to reply to my post. Believe it or not I actually do recognize the Bible.. Despite being born a Muslim, I have looked into other faiths. In the end, I have come back to Islam. I totally agree with all that you mentioned previously. Either way, all religions preach similar messages such as doing good deeds and helping the poor. At the end of the day, each Holy book is a guide which helps keep humans on track, and like you said, it promotes the same great ideas.
 
I have read a book telling that Hindu was came from Christianity, so it is not weird when we say that only on the Vedas, not on other books of Hindu where we could find quotation about Rasulullah. Here's from his Vcd lecture:

Similarities Between Hinduism and Islam
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Similarities Between Hinduism and Islam And Who Is The Son of Vishnuyash?



CHANDOGYA UPANISHAD

6 section 2 verse 1 "Itkam ivitittiam"


YAJUR VEDA

32 verse 3 "Natasia patima asti"


SHVETASHVATARA UPHANISHAD

Chapter 4 verse 19 "Natasia patima asti"

chapter 4 verse 20 "His form can not be seen, no one could see Him by eyes"

Chapter 6 verse 9 "Nacasia kasic, janita nacandipa"


BHAGAVAD GITA

Chapter 7 verse 20 "All those that their intellegence have been stolen by material desires and they worship the demigods"

Chapter 10 verse 3 "He who knows Me as the unbound, the supreme lord of all the worlds"


YAJUR VEDA

ch.40 verse 8 "imageless & pure"

ch.40 verse 9 "Andhatma pravishanti assambhuti mupaste"


RIG VEDA


Book I hymn 164 verse 46 "Itkamsat veprabahuda abhudante"

Book 8 hymn 1 vese 1 "mactaniti san sat"

Book 2 hymn I verse 3

Book 6 hymn 4 verse 16 "yat itke mustihi"

God being called Allah or ilah in book 2 hymn 1 verse 21, book 3 hymn 30 verse 10, book 9 hymn 67 verse 30

The world "Allah" derived from Al ilah means the only God and is one person one God, without lesser God right ?. Different with God, Gods, Goddess.


BRAHMA SUTRA

"itkam brahma dati anaste nehna naste kincen" means bhagwan ehihe dusra nehihe, nehihe nehihe sarabi nehihe"



ATHARVA VEDA

Book 20 hymn 58 verse 3 "Demaha ashi"

Rig Veda : song of praises
Yajur Veda: sacrificial formula
Sama Veda: melody
Atharva Veda: magical formula

18 Principles of Upanishad
Smriti (memory) or Dharma Sastra this is less authentic
Itihas (Epics) : Ramayana & Mahabarata
Bhishma Purwa 25-42 (the main idea)

Purana: About Deities that come on this world and the creation of the universe
I say "Allah did not ask Satan to witness the creation of the universe and He just ask his angels to carry some mission from Him"
"Jin were a name for creatures that God created from fire. While angels were all made from light, and they are free beings but created without 'nafsu' and they never transgress God's order and message."

While Devils usually come from Jin, although a lot of human being became Satan, Satan means "adversary of God".

And some people believed that angels are daughters of Allah. Angels are not "gendered creatures"

Jin do procreation. Angels created by Allah, without parents.



ATHARVA VEDA

Book 20 hymn 127 shloka 1-14. in these he was revered as Kuntupsuktas, Narashangsa, Kaurama
Muhammad means man of praise worthy, in English.
In this mantras he was called "a camel riding Mama Rishi" and waswesh Rebb.
No Brahma is allow to ride a camel, in Manusmriti ch.11 verse 102

Book 20 hymn 21 verse 6 : Abhandu. prophet Muhammad was an orphan.


BHAGAVAD PURANA

Parva 3 Khand 3 adhyay 3 Shloka 10-27: about musalaman, he will guide the people, they will eat lawful meat and will not eat pigs, they will circumcised (men and women), they will do ablution, they are not clean by herbs and shrubs but through warfare, they won't grow tail on their hair, they will grow beards.

Khand 1 Adhyay 3 Shloka 25; "A saviour will be born in Vishnuyash house". Vishnuyash has the same meaning with Abdullah (servant of Allah), right ?


KALKI PURANA

Ch.2 verse 4 "In the house of Vishnuyash, will be born Kalki Autar

Ch.2 verse 5 "He will along with his 4 companions". Abu Bakar, Umar, Utsman and Ali.

Ch.2 verse 7 "Will be help by angel in the battle field". Look at QS. (Qur'an Surat) 8:9 (ch.8 verse 9), 3:125

Ch.2 verse "In the house of Vishnuyash, in the womb of Summati Kalki Autar will be born "(Summati has the same meaning with Aminah) Aminah means the faithful one or the peaceful one
Ch.2 verse 15 "Will be born at the first half on month of Madhop". The last prophet was born at 12 Rabiul 'Awwal, right ?



I don't know in what scripture, but In Uttarachika mantra 1500, the words are "A medi wil be given eternal law". The people wrote this cannot understand Ahmad,because there is no word like that in Sanskrit. A medi means "I alone"



Islam : Peace obtained through submitting to the will of Allah (God who we worship).


RIG VEDA

Book 3 hymn 29 verse 4: about "ilaispad," Makkah is called "Darul Aman" means a safe place." Prathvi", and Makkah does lie in the center of the earth, in Middle East.


BHAGAVAD GITA

ch.4 verse 22, about Punarjanam "next life". Scholar of the Vedas said that there are no reincarnation mentioned anywhere at Vedas. So, that the next life means after doomsday


Assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.
 
We should appreciate Dr. Zakir Naik and all that he does for his deen. As for staying away from Hindus as much as possible, they're human beings too. What are the Agnostic and Christian brothers going to think if they read this post? We are all siblings in humanity.
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so true
 
Confused0122 said:
Sisters and Brother.
We should appreciate Dr. Zakir Naik and all that he does for his deen. As for staying away from Hindus as much as possible, they're human beings too.
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Aslaam 3lykoum wr wb
Dear sis..
I do believe that I wrote, I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Naik, I don't agree with his method and I still stand by my opinion.. To begin with, I don't want Islam to even be the subject of comparison which he unfortunately allows it to be when attempting what he does with their 'scriptures'

I have an unfavorable view of Hinduism and I don't believe their book is from God!.. It is a compilation of mythology, fairy tales and perhaps some borrowed excerpts from monotheistic faith.. after all Monotheism was the first faith.. I believe if any of them have a desire to let Ganesh, or Lakshmi or whomever else behind and find the straight path, it would be easy to do so.. we thinking, logical humans who weren't afflicted with diseases of the mind were given the ability to reason ( a gift from Allah swt), whether or not Dr. Naik gives it a nudge.. sometimes opening such a can of worms does more harm than good -- again my personal opinion

waslaam 3lykoum wr wb
 
Wow sister. That's fine it's your opinion. I still think you don't seem to understand that Hindus won't be willing to drop everything for a monotheistic religion. It's like the pagans when Islam came along. THey thought Mohammad s.a.w. was crazy for speaking of one God. How do you expect people to drop all those gods that they've always worshipped for one? What if a group of people came along preaching to you? I don't think you would convert unless they had sufficient proof. Just like that, brother Naik is doing all that he can to give proof to people and try to convert them.. If you think he should forget all that and just sit down and fiddle his thumbs then I'm sorry. we need someone as active as he is to address these issues. It's no wonder that we're not advancing.. Anyway sis, that's your personal opinion, and this is mine =)
 
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Wow sister
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waslaam 3lykoum wr wb

. That's fine it's your opinion.
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It is indeed how I labeled it!

I still think you don't seem to understand that Hindus won't be willing to drop everything for a monotheistic religion.
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In fact I understand it rather well!

It's like the pagans when Islam came along. THey thought Mohammad s.a.w. was crazy for speaking of one God.
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indeed, but what was the mechanism by which they converted? Did the early Muslims take pagan scriptures and make stories where none existed?

How do you expect people to drop all those gods that they've always worshipped for one?
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The same way many find their way to the straight path.. how did you do it? It isn't a birth right, it is a covenant that each thinking, reasoning individual has to make with Allah swt.

What if a group of people came along preaching to you?
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I am not sure I understand what you mean by this?


I don't think you would convert unless they had sufficient proof.
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I don't believe the glossiest pages or the best CD's is what converts people, you have to want houda and seek it, no one can force it upon you, least of which by twisting your own book-- does that work for you when others use Islam to make a case for themselves? for instance using suret Ad-Dukhan to make a case of how the Jews are above all? I have seen it done, I found it laughable!

Just like that, brother Naik is doing all that he can to give proof to people and try to convert them..
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Again, I appreciate Dr. Naik, but his approach on this matter leaves very little to be desired.. I see what the Hindus out there are doing on the web based solely on his attempts!

If you think he should forget all that and just sit down and fiddle his thumbs then I'm sorry.
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I think it is inappropriate for you to assume what it is I am thinking!
Have you read books By. Dr. Mustafa Al-Azami? I think that is a more practical and thorough approach to the subjects at hand and done in a very dignified manner befitting of Islam.. again, I think Dr. Naik is knowledgeable, I just don't like his approach.. I am allowed to hold an opinion without rebuke I hope?

we need someone as active as he is to address these issues. It's no wonder that we're not advancing.. Anyway sis, that's your personal opinion, and this is mine =)
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Are we advancing with the efforts of Dr. Naik, in your personal opinion?

waslaam 3lykoum wr wb
 
Salam sister.
I don't mean to argue so I apologize if I came off as that. I know there are other scholars. Each one does what he can to bring others to the truth. That's all I'm acknowledging.
 
wa3lykoum aslaam wr wb

There is no need to apologize.. I am merely stating my opinion... I am not a holy man nor a scholar.. I am just expressing what it is I find to comport with Islamic teachings and mannerism.
I don't want Islam brought down to a low denominator to be made more approachable to folks who take it and throw it back in our face in the most insolent manner.. we don't need more Muslims, we need better Muslims.. we already stand at 1.8 billion.. none of us can stop what is going on in Gaza for instance.. my own cowardice today inhibited me from making a donation on line lest they halt it from reaching them or give me grief.. Astghfor Allah al3li il3atheem!

waslaam 3lykoum wr wb
 
Wa alaikum as salaam wa rahmatulahi wa barakatuhu,
I totally understand and agree that we don't need more Muslims, but rather better Muslims. I was just saying how each scholar tries his best to draw attention to Islam and educate people about the true message, not the misconceptions that usually represent Islam.. As for wanting people to convert, it's because we have a duty, and that is to make people aware of Islam, the rest lies up to the people and whether or not they want to embrace it. I understand what you are saying.
 
it is possible that they had a prophet from allah but just like the christians and jews they miscontruded his teachings. i mean allah did send down over one hundred thousand prophets and we only know of a few....
 
Salaam to all.

I agree with the sister. What Dr. Zakir naik is doing is commendable and we should all be thankful for that. Like the sister sauid, if we were approached with a new religion that completly contradicts the one we have followed our entire lives..its pretty hard to accept without sufficient proof. It is our duty as Muslims to spread dawah and educate other people about Isam and that is what Dr.zakir naik is doing

Like the sister pointed out, we are all siblings of humanity

Jazakallah khairan
 
What Dr Naik is doing is commendable but we need not re-invent other scriptures to convert people.

I am very skeptical about the Hindu scriptures and do not believe they are related to Islam in any way...
 
I heard hindus are the deviants of Prophet Nuh's time. Allahu alim. Since every prophet reminded his people of the coming of the Prophet and Hindu scriptures have been written over thousands of years, that may be how Muhammad (saw) came to be mentioned in their books. (Hinduism isn't the source of one doctrine one but many beliefs - its source unknown.)

As for Dr. Zakir Naik, he brilliantly uses hindu/other books to refute their own corrupted and contradictory beliefs. This in turn illuminates the beauty, clarity and wisdom of Qur'anic teachings hence leading thousands of people to accept Islam as the Truth - the faultless Word of God. The man has Allah's blessings, MashaAllah!
 

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