[Chechnya]

After months of having thousands of women and children being killed , tortured and raped - a group of fighters storm a hospital , take over a thousand hostages and threaten to blow it up if the war isnt stopped.

They get what they want from the hostage-taking which is a ceasefire and use it as a platform to end the brutal war a few months later.

Is the hostage-taking an act of terrorism??? Or a legitimate operation to end the murder of their people?

Keeping in mind that before the hostage-taking tens of thousands of women and children had been killed and raped - the hostage-taking stopped this mass-murder.

Before the hostage-taking a brutal war against a whole nation was happening - the hostage-taking stopped this too.

What do you think?

(I am referring to this one particular hostage-taking incident in the Russian town of Buddenyvosk)

 

[wilberhum]

the hostage-taking is an act of terrorism

Wrong does not justify wrong. The end does not justify the means.
Most, if not all the hostages had nothing to do with the problem.
Collectave punishment is wrong.

 

[Keltoi]

Absolutely, it is terrorism. People become desperate, they lose perspective, they hate, but that doesn't make what they do right or moral.

 

[جوري]

I think anyone that willingly, consciously and freely enlists with the army to go impinge on the rights of other people under any banner deserve whatever in hell they have coming to them.... Insha'Allah rabena yizedhoum khosara fi'almwal wal'anfous..... Don't send your boys over there if you want them to keep their head.

 

[Chechnya]

Wrong does not justify wrong. The end does not justify the means.
Most, if not all the hostages had nothing to do with the problem.
Collectave punishment is wrong.

Absolutely, it is terrorism. People become desperate, they lose perspective, they hate, but that doesn't make what they do right or moral

Since you dont support this hostage-taking, is it fair to assume both of you wanted the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Chechen men, women and children to continue?

 

[wilberhum]

I think anyone that willingly, consciously and freely enlists with the army to go impinge on the rights of other people under any banner deserve whatever in hell they have coming to them.... Insha'Allah rabena yizedhoum khosara fi'almwal wal'anfous..... Don't send your boys over there if you want them to keep their head.

I don't see how this relates to the question. :?

 

[wilberhum]

Since you dont support this hostage-taking, is it fair to assume both of you wanted the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Chechen men, women and children to continue?

No I think every Chechen should be killed. That will solve the problem. :raging:

Da, You think killing inocent people will solve the problem. :skeleton:

 

[Keltoi]

Since you dont support this hostage-taking, is it fair to assume both of you wanted the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Chechen men, women and children to continue?

Do you seriously believe kidnapping people is going to save the Chechen people? No, it will only bring more violence and death to them.

 

[Chechnya]

No I think every Chechen should be killed. That will solve the problem.

You may be trying to be silly but to many Russians that comment wouldnt raise an eyebrow - theyve tried it before - are you part Russian?.

Da, You think killing inocent people will solve the problem.

Chechens didnt blow up the hostages in Buddenyvosk so there was no killing of innocent people but there was tens of thousands of dead innocents in Chechnya which is why this hostage-taking was so crucial.

 

[Chechnya]

Do you seriously believe kidnapping people is going to save the Chechen people? No, it will only bring more violence and death to them.

Well you didnt answer my question - as for hostage-taking, it has saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Chechen and eventually led them to freedom.

I would have thought you would support that

 

[جوري]

I think the chechens should do whatever it takes to liberate themselves... All is fair in Love and war!.... there is no love lost there though........

 

[afriend]

It's very disturbing as to how commonly the term 'terrorism' is used these days...Soon you'll have cats chasing mice an act of 'terrorism' too.

 

[جوري]

It's very disturbing as to how commonly the term 'terrorism' is used these days...Soon you'll have cats chasing mice an act of 'terrorsm' too.

Only if a Muslim is doing it.....The rest are freedom fighters and lovers of democracy!:raging: :enough!:

 

[wilberhum]

Good old “Tribal Thinking”.
Since a member of your tribe harmed a member of my tribe, every member of my tribe can harm any member of your tribe.

Chechnya, I know you justify killing innocent people, you have been doing that since you started the forum, but Purest Ambrosia, I’m disappointed at your approval of violence toward innocent people.

 

[Chechnya]

Chechnya, I know you justify killing innocent people, you have been doing that since you started the forum, but Purest Ambrosia, I’m disappointed at your approval of violence toward innocent people.

Do I?

What are you basing that on?

And btw apart from showing a little sacrasm, you have avoided answering my question/

Ill ask it again:

Since you dont support this hostage-taking, is it fair to assume both of you wanted the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Chechen men, women and children to continue?

 

[جوري]

I love justice.. and I didn't see it served -- I did however see a genocide of Chechnyans which was readily swept under the rug as usual..

eh they are only Muslims.. their blood is free for all!

The only people you truly have to fear are the ones who have lost everything...

 

[wilberhum]

Do I?

What are you basing that on?

And btw apart from showing a little sacrasm, you have avoided answering my question/

Ill ask it again:

Since you dont support this hostage-taking, is it fair to assume both of you wanted the rape, torture and murder of tens of thousands of Chechen men, women and children to continue?

If I remember right, you started out praising a “School Children Killer”.

When I say I do not supporting hostage-taking, I mean I do not support hostage-taking.

But since you support hostage-taking, I would assume that you would find it ok to rape, torture and murder hostages whose only crime is being Russian.

 

[wilberhum]

I love justice.. and I didn't see it served -- I did however see a genocide of Chechnyans which was readily swept under the rug as usual..

eh they are only Muslims.. their blood is free for all!

The only people you truly have to fear are the ones who have lost everything...

I too love justice.. and I didn't see it served. But I don't think you get justice by killing people whose only crime is being Russian.

 

[Muezzin]

The first post is based on hindsight. For one thing, just because it worked before, doesn't necessarily mean it would work again. I mean, a certain country dropped nuclear bombs on a certain other country to help end a certain war, but that does not mean that tactic would necessarily work today.

My own personal view on war is that it is ugly by nature and should be avoided at all costs, but if it is inevitable, civilians must not deliberately or recklessly be made to suffer.

 

[noodles]

Forgive me for sounding so mean, but how does that make sense?

You are saying that if a person came into your house, raped your mother, daughters and killed them later on, will you not go mad?

Infact, you'd be on the verge of suicide.

I support justice.

A crime is a crime. Whether you commit it here in canada, or you commit it in US or whether you commit it in russia, it is still a crime. (I do not mean all those sissy laws that the government issues to keep a leash on people)

Hostage crises is a direct cause of what happened to these people's pasts.

Do I blame them? ( I dont want to answer that)
You think on it yourself