How 70,000 Muslim Clerics Are Standing Up To Terrorism

[sister herb]

The Iraqi army are definitely not muslims, that's because they are either Rafidah or fighting alongside Rafidah against muslims. If ISIS loses land to the Iraqi army then we all will suffer a loss, whether one agrees with ISIS or not.

I was waiting kind of post from you, brother. You went to your own trap. What you wrote before about daesh:

Yes they are muslims, because they say they are muslims, and because you have no evidence to prove otherwise, and it follows that your takfir of them is not justified.

Now Iraqi army members (no, all of them are not shias) are not Muslims even when they say they are and you can´t prove they aren´t (as only Allah knows kind of things) but daesh members are always Muslims, just same how many times its acts are against Islam?

Did you read from the news that Iraqi army trained the local sunni tribes (sunnis are definitely Muslims, eh?) and they liberated their own city (Ramadi) back from daesh, which conquered it earlier. It was the demand of the local residents (those sunnis whose live in that area) that soldiers whose take power in the city have to be sunnis.

 

[sister herb]

Daesh is like the band of robbers who goes to some area, expels its owner (or execute him if he doesn´t go away or submit to their demends) and claims it now owns this area. Next daesh declares it has created a nation and it is now the leader of all Muslims. If someone doesn´t accept it, daesh then declares he isn´t Muslim at all and they have right to destroy this one who resists them. They spread they message what is very simple and it is what many young Muslims want to hear: follow these our orders and you will get everything without doing hard work (well, maybe you have to die when we say so but hey, there is always the Paradise you will surely go if we say so).

They will always find new people whose are ready to believe to their lies - many times young, not well educated, whose knowledge about their religion isn´t very good. These people listen their propaganda and watch their videos and believe to them. Their propaganda appeals to the emotions of people with the endless hate of the Westerners or shias or ethnic minorities or women or what ever they decide to hate. Part of them travel to this new wonderland called Daeshland - and some of them also find out all they had read and listened were only lies. Some manage to escape back to their homes but then again new people don´t believe, when they try to warn them not to believe the propaganda of daesh.

Many dictators before them have used the same means to manipulate people. This isn´t nothing new. For example the nazis used similar tactics and nowadays the islamophopics in the West does same.

 

[Snel]

I was waiting kind of post from you, brother. You went to your own trap. What you wrote before about daesh:



Now Iraqi army members (no, all of them are not shias) are not Muslims even when they say they are and you can´t prove they aren´t (as only Allah knows kind of things) but daesh members are always Muslims, just same how many times its acts are against Islam?

Did you read from the news that Iraqi army trained the local sunni tribes (sunnis are definitely Muslims, eh?) and they liberated their own city (Ramadi) back from daesh, which conquered it earlier. It was the demand of the local residents (those sunnis whose live in that area) that soldiers whose take power in the city have to be sunnis.

Fighting alongside non-muslims against muslims is apostasy in Islam. Didn't you know that? These sunni tribes who are are fighting with the coalition openly admit doing that so what does that make them?

Making takfir based on Islamic principles is not wrong. Making takfir upon sin, or not making takfir at all is. What you're doing is practically distancing yourself from these groups in a way that you would do to them if they were non-muslims supposedly doing oppression. So calling them your brothers and sisters and then watching them being killed makes absolutely no sense. We aren't allowed to stand by while non-muslims slaughter muslims, it's never acceptable.

 

[Snel]

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No sfontel, I support all my muslim brothers and sisters in general. I don't subscribe to any ideology or any group but to what Allah (God) has revealed to the prophet Muhammad. Never did I say otherwise.

Besides, as I've told sister herb before, much of what is being said about ISIS and similar groups are fabrications. And that's why I'm not joining in on accusing them of oppression. That doesn't mean I support oppression.

 

[sister herb]

Fighting alongside non-muslims against muslims is apostasy in Islam. Didn't you know that? These sunni tribes who are are fighting with the coalition openly admit doing that so what does that make them?

Making takfir based on Islamic principles is not wrong. Making takfir upon sin, or not making takfir at all is. What you're doing is practically distancing yourself from these groups in a way that you would do to them if they were non-muslims supposedly doing oppression. So calling them your brothers and sisters and then watching them being killed makes absolutely no sense. We aren't allowed to stand by while non-muslims slaughter muslims, it's never acceptable.

These sunni troops are fighting against criminal group who conquered their homes, made people as refugees and murdered their loved ones in the name of greed what they called as a religion. Killing innocent civilians, like daesh is doing everywhere they are going, isn´t against what Islam teaches? That´s all. This same group of criminals will next attact against innocent civilians in somewhere else. As Muslims, we all should condemn kind of criminal behaving, not see them as some kind of heroes.

 

[sister herb]

We aren't allowed to stand by while non-muslims slaughter muslims, it's never acceptable.

Also we can´t accept to just watch and be quiet when Muslims, whose use religion as their excuse to murder other Muslims or any other civilians. This is excatly what daesh is doing. In Iraq, in Syria, in the West. You are right, we just can´t watch it. We have to work against them and spread the true information what beats their lies and propaganda.

Actually, it´s just what I am doing right now.

 

[sfontel]

No sfontel, I support all my muslim brothers and sisters in general. I don't subscribe to any ideology or any group but to what Allah (God) has revealed to the prophet Muhammad. Never did I say otherwise.

Besides, as I've told sister herb before, much of what is being said about ISIS and similar groups are fabrications. And that's why I'm not joining in on accusing them of oppression. That doesn't mean I support oppression.

I am opose to violence...no matter where It comes from..and I believe should be respect by what they believe...

You can make an argument, you can speak....you can even been annoying but you can not use violence....how hard is that?

God bless..