How many errors in the bible?

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fschmidt said:
Even some truth is better than no truth. But the best is to look for truth wherever it can be found.
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Some truth is better than no truth - and willing rejection of glaring truth despite the facts being accepted within the heart is willing rejection of God.


فَلَمَّا جَاءَتْهُمْ آيَاتُنَا مُبْصِرَةً قَالُوا هَٰذَا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ

But when there came to them Our visible signs, they said, "This is obvious magic."


وَجَحَدُوا بِهَا وَاسْتَيْقَنَتْهَا أَنفُسُهُمْ ظُلْمًا وَعُلُوًّا فَانظُرْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الْمُفْسِدِينَ

And they rejected them, while their [inner] selves were convinced thereof, out of injustice and haughtiness. So see how was the end of the corrupters.




From Quran, Chapter 27 Verses 13&14


Interpretation by Umm Muhammad (Sahih International)
 
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Did mankind tamper with the Old Testament?

"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my deathye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (Deuteronomy 31:25-29)
"Here the Jews' hands are predicted to cause so much corruption (including corruption in the Bible). Jeremiah 8:8 below which came approximately 826 later confirmed the Bible corruption.

"How can you say we (the Jews) are wise and the law of the Lord is with us, when in fact the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie? (Jeremiah 8:8 (Revised Standard Version))"
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sake12.htm
 
Here is an apparently very honest and critical scholarly lecture and Q&A by an expert in textual criticism of the new testament - someone seeking to learn the truth and state clearly what he has learned so as to add to the pool of knowledge rather than bear false testimony simply for the sake of confirming flawed bias and misconceptions:


His name is Daniel Wallace and the meeting took place at Purdue University in 2016.


 
It is very interesting when it comes to The Bible when comparing to different translations, as depending on the verses, not all translations are saying the same thing. Another problem, many Bibles we see today on the market, they mostly have a copyright logo somewhere, that itself is proof they will not all say the same thing when comparing the different versions. In order to get a copyright, there has to be a minimum amount of differences to get the copyright.

Another interesting point, look at The Septuagint and compare that with a lot of the Old Testament writings in other bibles (if I recall correctly these would be using The Masoretic Text).

A good comparison between the two is Isaiah 9.6 The Septuagint version reads totally different than comparing to other versions.
 
CarefulThinker said:
A good comparison between the two is Isaiah 9.6 The Septuagint version reads totally different than comparing to other versions.
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I compared the Hebrew in a Jewish Bible to the Hebrew on a Christian website, and Jewish Isaiah 9:5 is the same as the Christian Isaiah 9:6. The Christian Isaiah 9:1 is missing from the Jewish version, so the numbers are off by 1.
 
Predator said:
Here is link to 50000 errors in the bible

https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/50-000-Errors-and-Biblical-contradictions-190303

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[TR][TD]50,000 Errors and Biblical contradictions | Religion 2010-09-12
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Sorry but you cannot take this list with so called "errors and contradictions" serious. Most of them just seems to be contradictions because the verses directly before or after it are left out. İf you were to include them, the verse would have a totally different meaning.

Do the same trick with the Quran and you will hit the 50.000 contradictions easy.

Not that İ am defending the Bible here...but you have to keep using your logic with these kind of "evidences" and not just blindly trust them.
 
Ümit said:
Sorry but you cannot take this list with so called "errors and contradictions" serious. Most of them just seems to be contradictions because the verses directly before or after it are left out. İf you were to include them, the verse would have a totally different meaning.

Do the same trick with the Quran and you will hit the 50.000 contradictions easy.

Not that İ am defending the Bible here...but you have to keep using your logic with these kind of "evidences" and not just blindly trust them.
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Do you find no contradictions in bible...?
 
azc said:
Do you find no contradictions in bible...?
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Of course İ do...and of course there are many contradictions in the bible...but the examples given here are just blindly comparing two verses with each without looking deeper into the purpose of those verses and what they refer to.

We all have seen countless similar lists about the Quran...and we can refute them all easily alhamdulillah.

Well this list is no different.

What İ am saying is...if you want to look for comtradictions in the Bible...you have to put a little more effort into in tham blindly compairing the litterally translations of two verses.
 
Ümit said:
Of course İ do...and of course there are many contradictions in the bible...but the examples given here are just blindly comparing two verses with each without looking deeper into the purpose of those verses and what they refer to.

We all have seen countless similar lists about the Quran...and we can refute them all easily alhamdulillah.

Well this list is no different.

What İ am saying is...if you want to look for comtradictions in the Bible...you have to put a little more effort into in tham blindly compairing the litterally translations of two verses.
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when contradictions are accepted then going into details is a trivial issue.
 
azc said:
when contradictions are accepted then going into details is a trivial issue.
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İ do not know what you mean by that. Pleass elaborate.

What İ am saying is...in the Quraan İ can find a verse that orders us to fight against the disbelievers. Somewhere else İ could find a verse to leave them in peace...İf İ wouldn't look deeper into it, İ would say those verses contradict each other...but they really not.
The same with most of the mentioned list.
Again...i am not saying that there are no contradictions in the Bible...all İ am saying is that the author of the mentioned list has done a very poor job.
 
Ümit said:
İ do not know what you mean by that. Pleass elaborate.

What İ am saying is...in the Quraan İ can find a verse that orders us to fight against the disbelievers. Somewhere else İ could find a verse to leave them in peace...İf İ wouldn't look deeper into it, İ would say those verses contradict each other...but they really not.
The same with most of the mentioned list.
Again...i am not saying that there are no contradictions in the Bible...all İ am saying is that the author of the mentioned list has done a very poor job.
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most people are not in a position to fight, they dont have the authority to do so.. they would just be hurting themselves.

and maybe in this understanding some people can learn to live their lives. lol, well maybe its just me then... i suppose some of you are naturally inclined to be who you are.

but with most things, the contradiction is always there.. depends on what catches your attention or can be used to justify your views.

although whos to say what misinterpretation is.. except the one that corrects it.
 
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Ümit said:
İ do not know what you mean by that. Pleass elaborate.

What İ am saying is...in the Quraan İ can find a verse that orders us to fight against the disbelievers. Somewhere else İ could find a verse to leave them in peace...İf İ wouldn't look deeper into it, İ would say those verses contradict each other...but they really not.
The same with most of the mentioned list.
Again...i am not saying that there are no contradictions in the Bible...all İ am saying is that the author of the mentioned list has done a very poor job.
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Have you read the list? Some of the contradictions are quite major

For example in one verse David is told by God to count his army whereas in another chapter it was satan who told him

And I fail to see how you can compare the Quran to the blatant errors and mistakes in the bible made when the scribes changed it

Anyway this list was made by jehovah's witnesses so you dont have to accept it just be a little more careful in your wording when you compare the Quran to the bible
 
Ümit said:
İ do not know what you mean by that. Pleass elaborate.

What İ am saying is...in the Quraan İ can find a verse that orders us to fight against the disbelievers. Somewhere else İ could find a verse to leave them in peace...İf İ wouldn't look deeper into it, İ would say those verses contradict each other...but they really not.
The same with most of the mentioned list.
Again...i am not saying that there are no contradictions in the Bible...all İ am saying is that the author of the mentioned list has done a very poor job.
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You being a Muslim shouldn't act like a defender of 'these contradictions' moreover, you are absolutely wrong to find 50000 contradictions in Quran.

Take care of what you post about Quran on the forum.
 
WHOAH eesa and azc...
İ am not compairing the quraan with the bible. İ am not saying that the list is totally wrong. Neither am İ saying that there are 50.000 contradictions in the Quraan....and İ am totally in NO WAY defending these contradictions. You both read my posts all wrong.
İs it so difficult to read my posts straight?

What İ am saying is this:
İf you want to make a list of contradictions in a book (any book...it does not matter which one)...then you do not only compare the litteral translation of every sentence...but you also look at the whole comtext of that sentence....otherwise you just have a lousy list with sentences that look like contradictions but they do not have to contradict always.

İ hope you finally understand what İ am saying this time...
So bottom line here:
İ am just critisizing the author of the mentioned list...nothing more.
 
Greetings and peace be with you Umit;

Ümit said:
What İ am saying is...in the Quraan İ can find a verse that orders us to fight against the disbelievers. Somewhere else İ could find a verse to leave them in peace...İf İ wouldn't look deeper into it, İ would say those verses contradict each other...but they really not.
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I look on you as being a devout Muslim who is looking at the bigger picture. As your quote above shows, we should not take anything out of context. Scripture is intended to inspire us and to encourage us to do something, so it is very important to look at the context to know whether we should fight against disbelievers or to leave them in peace.

I looked through the first page of the 50,000 errors in the Bible, but that is as much as I want to say on a Muslim forum, I know I am a guest here.

Blessings
Eric
 

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