[sur]

I have a lots of points to make in this regard but i don't have time to say everything at once. InshAllah I'll keep adding to this post. I would request ppl to save these videos lest they get deleted from internet.

To start with:-
(1) CCTV camera, supposed to be mounted on a wall is shaking as if it was held in somebody's hand:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vITX9lD6VFc&feature=related



(2)Two of alleged "Pakistani" terrorists talking in typical "Indian" accent. Like one says "كهالى"(meaning "empty") which is typical of Indian accent to pronunce "خالى" as "كهالى".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIx6KYQj6QM&feature=related



(3)Actor screems long after last shot was fired ...&... just before bringing his "bleeding" hand in front of camera.

Then keeps running around showing his hand to cameramen to get it maximum coverage.

Someone pulls actor by arm to bring his hand in camera's view. so that camera can have a better shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4bFF9r4fbU


(4) Asian Tribune:- India, Backed By Mosaad & CIA, Plans To Attack Pakistan Nuclear Installations Using Taliban

 

[Banu_Hashim]

What do you mean "Indian" Accent ? People who speak Hindi only , and not urdu would would pronounce it as kaali rather khaali, regardless of whether they're Indian or Pakistani.

 

[sur]

What do you mean "Indian" Accent ? People who speak Hindi only , and not urdu would would pronounce it as kaali rather khaali, regardless of whether they're Indian or Pakistani.

So you mean those "terrorists" were speaking "Hindi" while allegedly being Pakistani...!!!


Shouldn't i say about allegedly "urdu speaking" guys that their accent was "Indian"...!!!


& just by-the-way, outside of delhi-dialect-area "Hindi" (pure & actual "standard" hindi) is different from so-called hindi you hear in indian movies. What u hear in indian movies is actually urdu with "hindi" words mixed in.

& do not drift the thread away from topic.

 

[Banu_Hashim]

I'm not trying to generalise anything. You are.

 

[K.Venugopal]

The purport of the posts seems to be that the Mumbai carnage was actually the handiwork of Hindus. I wonder who is setting of bombs in mosques across Pakistan. Hindus from India?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

The purport of the posts seems to be that the Mumbai carnage was actually the handiwork of Hindus. I wonder who is setting of bombs in mosques across Pakistan. Hindus from India?

Couldnt the same be said like this? " I wonder who is setting off bombs in hotels across India. Muslims from Pakistan?

See the flow?

I'm not even responding to the post, this is separate. Why is it easy to assume what you said and not what maybe I said?

 

[sur]

The purport of the posts seems to be that the Mumbai carnage was actually the handiwork of Hindus. I wonder who is setting of bombs in mosques across Pakistan. Hindus from India?

Yes indeed!!!It's India via it's 18 consulates in Afghanistan with help from CIA, MI-6 & ofcourse Mosad. Using & buying poor Afghanis & some fenatic Pakistanis to carry-out these bombings.

These un-circumcised terrorists killed by Pakistan forces were indian agents as NO muslim fighting to implement islam would un-circumcised.

WARNING - Explicit content - Following link contains Naked photos of terrorists killed by Pak forces.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/alert-indians-fighting-in-swat/



& an example of such disguised agents was British agents caught by Iraqi police dressed as terrorists & shooting at innocent civilians.

Article

VIDEO


& to keep anymore of their secrets from getting exposed, British forces raided Iraqi jail & freed their secret agents.
VIDEO

Article

 

[- IqRa -]

I'm so, so confused.

 

[justahumane]

Yes indeed!!!It's India via it's 18 consulates in Afghanistan with help from CIA, MI-6 & ofcourse Mosad. Using & buying poor Afghanis & some fenatic Pakistanis to carry-out these bombings.

These un-circumcised terrorists killed by Pakistan forces were indian agents as NO muslim fighting to implement islam would un-circumcised.

WARNING - Explicit content - Following link contains Naked photos of terrorists killed by Pak forces.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/alert-indians-fighting-in-swat/



& an example of such disguised agents was British agents caught by Iraqi police dressed as terrorists & shooting at innocent civilians.

Article

VIDEO


& to keep anymore of their secrets from getting exposed, British forces raided Iraqi jail & freed their secret agents.
VIDEO

Article

Oh my God, so "Pandit" Baitullah Mehsood, "Pandit"Sufi Mohammad, and "Thakur" Mullah Fazullah are all hindus in disguise of Noble muslims. I just cant believe itthat hindus are fighting in disguise of Talibaans enforce implememtation of Shariyah. But when U are saying this than it must be nothing but true.

I think that hindus have somehow convinced those Afganis and Pakistanis and converted them to hinduism. Pakistani establishment should confirm the circumcion of that Hafiz saeed and Lal Masjid Maulana too,may be they are hindus too coz whatever they are doing cant be done by a muslim at all.

Next on checking list should be president Zardari and General Musharraf, I m sure they too.............oh I cant write that again man.

I m really sorry sur, Indians have indeed done very bad to U pakistanis and Afganis by converting them. Whole Pakistan is burning not because of Muslims but coz of Hindus, How sad indeed.imsadimsadimsadimsadimsad.

Pl keep opening up those secret.

And Pl let me share`a post which I found on other forum. That ignorant guy was trying to prove something, read it for urself.

It’s then that they stumbled on a little-known anthropological fact about Pashtun tribes in Waziristan, from where many of the Tehreeke-Taliban or Pakistani Taliban come.
It appears that many in the backward tribal areas of the country like Waziristan don’t undergo the mandatory circumcision that all Muslim males should undergo. The story took a rather comic turn when some of government’s own injured paramilitary soldiers, when examined, were found to be uncircumcised. This was especially true of wounded soldiers of the Frontier Constabulary from Waziristan, engaged in fighting Taliban militants.
Kamran Khan, a legislator from Waziristan in Pakistan’s lower house of Parliament, told TOI that many in the poor tribal areas fail to undergo circumcision because it is either not mandated in their tribal codes or because in many villages there are neither hospitals or even barbers, who perform most circumcisions in rural areas.
“People are either circumcised in hospitals or barbers do the job. Neither we have hospitals in Waziristan nor institution of barbers,’’ Khan said, adding that poor people of Waziristan can’t afford to take their male children to other areas for circumcision.
“I don’t deny there are uncircumcised people in Waziristan but it doesn’t mean that there are no circumcised ones.’’
Majority of some Pashtun Tribals don't circumsize."

Ignorant ppls, NO?

 

[K.Venugopal]

It was widely circulated news that Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, as reported by the doctor who did his post-mortem after he was hanged, was not circumcised. He was hastily circumcised and photographs taken to save the honour of Pakistan. No Pakistani would want that he or she was ruled by a Kafir in disguise!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^We can't denote people Kafirs just because we want to. I don't see how circumcision has anything to do with the honor of Pakistan. Do u even carefully read what you write?

 

[K.Venugopal]

^^We can't denote people Kafirs just because we want to. I don't see how circumcision has anything to do with the honor of Pakistan. Do u even carefully read what you write?

And the photograph of an uncircumcised terrorist is enough to proclaim that he was a Hindu or Kafir and terrorism in Pakistan is the handiwork of Hindus.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

How about for a moment you sort of get your head out the ground. Are u reading what ur saying? That doesnt mean anything.

 

[sur]

http://asiantribune.com/07/11/india...-installations-using-baitullah-mehsud’s-gang/
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India plans to attack Pakistani nuclear installations using Baitullah Mehsud’s gang
Published by editor Features, News Jul 11, 2009 By Farzana Shah-Asian Tribune

Islamabad, 11 July, (Asiantribune.com): It is learnt through reliable sources that Indian and Israeli special services units in collaboration with TTP (Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan ) -–a terrorist organisation– are preparing an attack on one of Pakistan ’s strategic installation in order to achieve multiple goals. Well trained TTP members, around 750, will take part in this attack. Participation of Indian and Israeli units will be confined to supervision of attack and handling post attack scenario.

India has reportedly released funds to TTP for this sole attack which will create a delicate situation for Pakistani military establishment in the world. There is also information that Indians have already planned provision of some “dirty bomb” (radioactive material) to terrorists of TTP fighting against Pakistani military for this attack.

Pakistan army already has been stretched in FATA as a result of carefully devised strategy of drone attacks by CIA which creates hatred for the army and sympathy of locals for TTP chieftain Baitullah Mehsud. It has become evident from the last three drone attacks in South Waziristan that one of them was carried out on a funeral of a TTP leader who was killed in an earlier attack on the same day.

The question here is; does CIA really want to eliminate Baitullah Mehsud and his terrorist outfit TTP?

Circumstantial evidences and confession of Baitullah’s ex-aides (Haji Turkistan and slain Qari Zainuddin) had confirmed that TTP is much more than what appears in the world media (i.e an anti-USA force in reality is a pro-US and anti-Pakistan entity).

Now this latest intelligence about a possible attack on one of Pakistan ’s strategic military sites in which TTP will play a role of foot soldiers has proved beyond any doubt that TTP is foreign funded proxy force operating inside Pakistan to fulfill agenda of Pakistan ’s enemies (read India and Israel led by US).



CIA and its agents in international media are building a case against Pakistani nuclear weapons advocating the notion that these might fall into wrong hands. According to media reports Indian Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh has already said that Pakistani installations are partially under attack from militants.

How this ominous plan will be executed is still not clear but according to reliable sources malicious activities around some of these installations have been noticed. On further investigation by Pakistani intelligence it was revealed that plan of much worse repercussions is under way.

Planning phase of this attack is carried out in Afghanistan where Indians and Israelis are training Afghan forces and intelligence.

During recent operation in Malakand and FATA bodies of dead Afghan nationalists (Most probably trained by same Indian and Israeli instructors) were recovered. It will therefore be no surprise if same Afghan elements also take part in this attack on Pakistan ’s nuclear facilities.

The contemplated attack also puts a big question mark on CIA’s sincerity and credibility since without its active involvement the said plan cannot take off. It may be recalled that the ISI provided information about Baitullah’s whereabouts, at least twice in May 2008, but CIA never attacked his hideouts. Now when Pakistan army has decided to take him out at its own, CIA has suddenly discovered that he is the biggest enemy of US.

Untimely drone strikes have raised many questions about CIA’s intentions in WoT.

1- Is CIA really trying to kill Baitullah for good?

2- If the answer is in affirmative then why now when Pakistan army is there on ground and PAF is carrying out aerial assault much more accurately than CIA’s drones?

3- Why CIA didn’t act earlier when information was passed to it by Pakistan ?

4- Why CIA/US never provided necessary gear to Pakistani forces to trace Baitullah or at least jam his communication system?

5- Why CIA attacked North Waziristan when Pakistan army’s operation in South Waziristan is underway and thereby opened a second front?

Answers to these questions lead only to one conclusion. CIA is protecting TTP to enable India and Israel to accomplish their task.

The high intensity of Pakistani operation backed by PAF in FATA has sent a clear signal to the masterminds who have conceptualised the attack on nuclear instalation that they are running short of time. The CIA instead of helping Pakistan to focus its major attention towards the chief foe Baitullah seemed to be helping RAW and Mossad to buy more time. While Pak army is trying to keep North Waziristan peaceful for the time being in spite of the deadly attack on one of the military convoy, CIA has provoked Hafiz Gul Bahadur, chief of Uthmanzai Wazir tribe by carrying out a drone attack. Gul Bahadur is already very annoyed over repeated drone attacks and suspects that Pak governent and army have a role in it.

It is suspected that CIA is playing a double game by carrying out token drone attacks against strongholds of Baitullah and at the same time is not sparing Gul Bahadur. The idea is to activate all the fronts simultaneously and make the position of army precarious.

All this proves that role of CIA is no different than that of RAW and Mossad.The trio have common objectives against Pakistan’s nuclear program which is seen as an obstacle in the way of accomplishment of US grand designs in the region. The purpose of intended attack on any Pakistani nuclear site, even partially successful or botched, will give legtimacy to their propaganda campaign that:

-Pakistan ’s nuclear weapons are unsafe and can fall into “wrong hands”. hence the need to roll it back or to be taken over by IAEA teams to ensure its “security”.

-Pakistani military is too inept to protect its own buildings and installations.

-National confidence and local support for Pakistani military that had shot up after its highly successfulopeations in Malakand Division will be considerably reduced.

-The situation will be further complicated if Pakistan , after such an attack, try to defend its nuclear program through taking a rigid stand.

-This will provide an opportunity to international media and anti-Pakistan establishments to approach UN and get Pakistan declared as a vulnerable state incapable of protecting its strategic assets physically.

-It will provide an opportunity to further defame and isolate Pakistan on the plea that it is not ready to work with “international community” to “secure” its vulnerable nuclear program.

-It would allow USA to obtain UN sanction for imposing measures on Pakistan to safeguard its nuclear instalations through nuclear inspectors of IAEA as was the case of Iraqi military sites in 1990s.

-This will also give a license to international inspectors (CIA operators always in their ranks) to access every building inside Pakistan on pretext of a possible vulnerable nuclear site.

- Pakistan could be subjected to harsh sanctions in case it resists any UN declaration against its nukes. Pakistan had already gone through similar sanctions in 1990s when there was a virtual ban in international market on selling weapons to Pakistan .

-Currently Pakistan is in process of getting its entire military upgraded under a comprehensive program to be complete by 2019. If sanctions hit Pakistan now, then most of this upgrading will face a halt as a result of ban put on sale of sophisticated weapon systems to Pakistan. India on the other hand would be free from any such restriction and thus would be in an ideal situation to tilt strategic balance heavily in its favour.

-Another dimension to this possible attack is its impact on Pak-China relations in future. Currently Chinese are working on a number of projects along with Pakistani engineers.

If Pakistan fails to protect Chinese technicians on its own soil and in case of any harm or deaths of Chinese in this kind of an attack, it will force China to think seriously about its cooperation with Pakistan .

Indo-Isreali collaboration to destroy Pak nuclear program dates back to early 1980’s. However, each time the duo conspired to execute the surgical strike, Pakistan reacted promptly. The response was so severe that the aggressors had to abandon thir plans. This time Indian plan is much more disturbing as foot-soldiers and logistical support will be provided from within Pakistan so this plan has much more probability of success than what Indians tried in 1980’s.

Stage is set and time is running short for both sides. Some “so-called” local commander of Al-Qaeda in “ Afghanistan ” have already threatened that Pakistani nuclear weapon will be used against US. They are convincing the world that any attack by Al-Qaeda against US can take place either in Afghanistan or in US or even worse inside Pakistan. The idea is to prove that Pakistani nuclear weapons are the most dangerous thing on the planet. (Like Iraqi WMDs were once).

Apart from raising security measure on all nuclear installations, Pakistan must also convey a very strong message through all possible channels that any such attempt against Pakistan ’s nuclear program will have an opposite and much more intense reaction against India and Afghanistan and situation can easily turn out of control and a full blown war can erupt in the region.

Pakistan’s foreign office must become much more clearer and vocal about what Pakistan will do if its nuclear program comes under any attack. Pakistan has already stated its policy in clear terms that in case of any attack on its nuclear instalations, whether external or internal, the onus will be on India alone and Pakistan would respond accordingly. Pakistan has earmarked targets inside India to cater for such a eventuality.

It is time Pakistan must prepare a dossier to present to international media and establishments about Indian involvement in Pakistan ’s North West creating unrest and supporting insurgencies. For the sake of its future generations Pakistan will have to play very carefully but with a vigor and honor and if Pak-US relations are hindering this in future we must have a second thought about these so-called strategic relations.

- Asian Tribune -

 

[justahumane]

I think that Baitullah Mehsood and his aids are all uncircumcised hindutvavadi Indians out to defame muslims and Pakistan.

 

[K.Venugopal]

I think partition is a tragedy both to India and Pakistan. Mohd. Ali Jinnah propounded the two-nation theory. A new movement is called for both in India and Pakistan propounding that India and Pakistan is one nation. If we unite, we can keep out the interference in the sub-continent not just of USA but also of China. As a united nation, nothing can stop us from becoming the next super-power. Will religion stand in the way?

 

[ahsan28]

I think partition is a tragedy both to India and Pakistan. Mohd. Ali Jinnah propounded the two-nation theory. A new movement is called for both in India and Pakistan propounding that India and Pakistan is one nation.

That happens in bollywood movies only

 

[ژاله]

well,i think partition was good,very good indeed.seeing the way the two countries keep bickering,and after three wars,how on earth can we unite?the idea of uniting india and pakistan again doesnt make any sense.

 

[Banu_Hashim]

well,i think partition was good,very good indeed.seeing the way the two countries keep bickering,and after three wars,how on earth can we unite?the idea of uniting india and pakistan again doesnt make any sense.

I have to unfortunately agree. Both countries are past the point of considering unification.

 

[K.Venugopal]

I think the first step would be to form a SAARC like organisation among India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. The first proposal of the organisation should be to keep the nuclear arsenal of India and Pakistan under a joint-command.