just the latest [and it's for atheists too!
]U.S. activist says he was deceived over anti-Muslim film
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/us-protests-activist-idUSBRE88I01T20120919
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just the latest [and it's for atheists too!
]U.S. activist says he was deceived over anti-Muslim film
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/us-protests-activist-idUSBRE88I01T20120919
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What Islam is this???
This could have been the husband/ father/ brother/ family member of any one of us - killed senselessly.....in the name of Islam??!
The 'Innocence of Muslims' has served its purpose.....in exposing the rot amongst us!
For the sake of this deen, we need to come back to our senses!
Ya Allah.
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8 South Africans Killed in Afghanistan
JOHANNESBURG — Eight South Africans were among those killed Tuesday in a suicide blast in Afghanistan's capital. An Afghan insurgent group says the attack on a mini-bus carrying foreigners was in response to an anti-Islam on-line video that has sparked worldwide protests. But South African officials and a Muslim analyst say the attacks were probably not aimed at South Africans.
The bomb ripped through the van near Kabul’s airport on Tuesday morning, killing at least 12 people including the eight South Africans.
The Afghan insurgent group Hezb-e-Islami claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it sent a female bomber in response to the anti-Islam video that has set off protests all over the world, including in Afghanistan.
The protests are directed against the American-made film called “Innocence of Muslims” that mocks Islam’s Prophet Mohammed.
Nelson Kgwete, is a spokesman for South Africa’s Department of International Relations and Cooperation:
“We understand from our mission in Islamabad that the eight South Africans were employed by a private aviation company," said Kgwete. "At the moment the department has the complete list of all the names of the deceased. We are working on establishing contact with the next of kin and also ensuring that we ensure the necessary consular assistance to the families. As government we would like to express our deepest condolences to the families, friends and colleagues of the deceased. At the moment it’s difficult to say what the motive may have been or whether or not this was a targeted attack, we do not have that indication at the moment.”
South African Foreign Ministry spokesman Clayson Monyela said the attack was likely a result of “mistaken identity.” He did not say who the attackers may have meant to strike, but previous protests have targeted Americans.
Last week, protesters attacked the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and the U.S. Consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi. U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens was among four Americans killed in the attack in Benghazi.
Monyela said South Africa’s government did not anticipate unrest at home over the film. The country is no stranger to violent protests - the mineral-rich nation is in the midst of more than a month of illegal strikes in the mining sector that have resulted in dozens of deaths.
Naeem Jeenah, executive director of the Johannesburg-based Afro-Middle East Center, says South Africa’s 1.5 million Muslims are unlikely to take up the torch as Muslims have in Libya, Tunisia and Egypt.
“I don’t think that in some of these countries like in South Africa, that video has been tied in as closely to a broader anti-American sentiment as it is is in North Africa. I’m not saying that sentiment doesn’t exist, because there certainly is a strong anti-American sentiment in South Africa, not only among Muslims. But there’s more likelihood that you’d get an angry anti-American protest taking place after a drone attack than this video," said Jeenah.
Jeenah says Muslim clerics in South Africa have also urged restraint and calm -- though they have condemned the video. He also says the video has not been marketed as aggressively in nations with substantial Muslim populations like Kenya, South Africa, or Nigeria.
Jeenah says he has not made the effort to see the film, though it is available in South Africa and, he says, it is not forbidden for Muslims to watch films that criticize Islam.
Both Pakistan and Bangladesh have reportedly blocked access to YouTube because of the video.
“I haven’t watched it because I really am busy and don’t have the time to look at stupid things," said Jeenah.
http://www.voanews.com/content/suicide-bomber-attacks-foreigners-near-kabul/1510019.html
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This could have been the husband/ father/ brother/ family member of any one of us - killed senselessly.....in the name of Islam??!
The 'Innocence of Muslims' has served its purpose.....in exposing the rot amongst us!
For the sake of this deen, we need to come back to our senses!
Ya Allah.
*********************************
8 South Africans Killed in Afghanistan
JOHANNESBURG — Eight South Africans were among those killed Tuesday in a suicide blast in Afghanistan's capital. An Afghan insurgent group says the attack on a mini-bus carrying foreigners was in response to an anti-Islam on-line video that has sparked worldwide protests. But South African officials and a Muslim analyst say the attacks were probably not aimed at South Africans.
The bomb ripped through the van near Kabul’s airport on Tuesday morning, killing at least 12 people including the eight South Africans.
The Afghan insurgent group Hezb-e-Islami claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it sent a female bomber in response to the anti-Islam video that has set off protests all over the world, including in Afghanistan.
The protests are directed against the American-made film called “Innocence of Muslims” that mocks Islam’s Prophet Mohammed.
Nelson Kgwete, is a spokesman for South Africa’s Department of International Relations and Cooperation:
“We understand from our mission in Islamabad that the eight South Africans were employed by a private aviation company," said Kgwete. "At the moment the department has the complete list of all the names of the deceased. We are working on establishing contact with the next of kin and also ensuring that we ensure the necessary consular assistance to the families. As government we would like to express our deepest condolences to the families, friends and colleagues of the deceased. At the moment it’s difficult to say what the motive may have been or whether or not this was a targeted attack, we do not have that indication at the moment.”
South African Foreign Ministry spokesman Clayson Monyela said the attack was likely a result of “mistaken identity.” He did not say who the attackers may have meant to strike, but previous protests have targeted Americans.
Last week, protesters attacked the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and the U.S. Consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi. U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens was among four Americans killed in the attack in Benghazi.
Monyela said South Africa’s government did not anticipate unrest at home over the film. The country is no stranger to violent protests - the mineral-rich nation is in the midst of more than a month of illegal strikes in the mining sector that have resulted in dozens of deaths.
Naeem Jeenah, executive director of the Johannesburg-based Afro-Middle East Center, says South Africa’s 1.5 million Muslims are unlikely to take up the torch as Muslims have in Libya, Tunisia and Egypt.
“I don’t think that in some of these countries like in South Africa, that video has been tied in as closely to a broader anti-American sentiment as it is is in North Africa. I’m not saying that sentiment doesn’t exist, because there certainly is a strong anti-American sentiment in South Africa, not only among Muslims. But there’s more likelihood that you’d get an angry anti-American protest taking place after a drone attack than this video," said Jeenah.
Jeenah says Muslim clerics in South Africa have also urged restraint and calm -- though they have condemned the video. He also says the video has not been marketed as aggressively in nations with substantial Muslim populations like Kenya, South Africa, or Nigeria.
Jeenah says he has not made the effort to see the film, though it is available in South Africa and, he says, it is not forbidden for Muslims to watch films that criticize Islam.
Both Pakistan and Bangladesh have reportedly blocked access to YouTube because of the video.
“I haven’t watched it because I really am busy and don’t have the time to look at stupid things," said Jeenah.
http://www.voanews.com/content/suicide-bomber-attacks-foreigners-near-kabul/1510019.html
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May I ask where you live and whether you could give an opinion as to how the take on the movie and its reaction is divided in your community. How many think that the reaction was counter productive as opposed to those that think it had to be this "big"?
It would be more interesting than reading on and on news articles that all say mostly the same. Some officials say this and that but I didn't read anything on how the perception is in Muslim communities themselves.
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I am from South Africa - the country spoken of in the article.
These news articles may appear uninteresting to you.
But, to the over 30 individuals that have thus far lost their lives - I assure you, it is not 'mostly the same.'
Once we can become so emotionally detached when we read about the tragedies of others, we should ask ourselves what is wrong with us?
The perceptions of the unrest by the vast majority of South Africans are spoken of at the end of the article.
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*buzz* Incorrect. He was an Egyptian-American Coptic Christian who has no idea how to make a film.
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That was the original story circulating before his identity was revealed officially!
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Holy smoke: Will Islamic extremists ignite rioting across EU
Holy smoke: Will Islamic extremists ignite rioting across EU
European capitals have become stages for anti-Western protests, by those outraged by the US made film ‘Innocence of Muslims’. But are calls for a holy war a sincere protest or a recruiting strategy of radical groups?
*A wave of anti-American rallies, that started in Muslim countries a week ago, have spread rapidly to Europe, engulfing Paris, Berlin, London, Antwerp and other major cities.
The low-budget film ‘Innocence of Muslims’ depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a fraudster and child molester provoked a varying reactions amongst the Muslim community. While one called for their religion to be respected, others called for American embassies to be burned down. Now, as the outrage has engulfed Europe, protests there differ, too.
Thus, a demonstration in Belgium’s Gent gathered around a hundred or so young Muslims, chanting “We want respect”, with the small rally wrapping up without incident.
In Antwerp, though, police had to detain 120 people. Around two hundred of those demonstrating were carrying black flags associated with the Salafi radical Islam sect, chanting anti-US slogans such as “Obama go to hell” and refusing to disperse. In total, some 250 protesters were detained in Belgium over the weekend.
Reports suggest the radical Islamic group, Shariah4Belgium, have been behind calls to stage major protests in Belgium. Muslim leaders in the country, though clearly disapproving of the film, wasted no time in condemn the street violence.
In London roughly 1,000 people answered the calls issued by the hard-line Hizb ut-Tahrir organization, which seeks a unified Islamic government throughout the Arab world. Gathering near the American embassy on Sunday, the angry crowd burnt US flags and shouted “America – get out of Muslim lands.”
Though the European protests against the film are far smaller than those seen in the Arab world, foreign policy experts are worried the current wave of resentment might be manipulated by Islamic extremists, who want to recruit new members.
“You’ve got mainstream extremists, for want of a better word, looking to exploit this. They usually want young men to come and join – and get into a habit of protest, a habit of extreme demands and demonstration,” Carina O’Relly, security analyst at IHS Global Insight told RT.
Jamal Khashoggi, a writer for Al-Hayat newspaper, stresses that the core of the protests in Europe are made up of “conservative far-right Islamists which are as xenophobic [as the makers of the scandalous film]."
“Those who react to [the film] through inciting violence are not innocent as well, for they too have a political agenda,” says Khashoggi.
Others think that the protests are only an excuse to vent anger that has been storing up for years.
“Most of the people taking part in the protests are without a job, without any economical perspective, having seen humiliation, having lived under dictatorship supported by the US, UK and EU for decades. Basically, this is an expression of anger, frustration,” Lode Vanoost, an international consultant and former Belgian MP, told RT. “There are organizations – extremist movements – who use this for own goals.”
In Europe, the film poses a huge human rights dilemma. Germany has been weighing up a ban on the film, hoping to appease the country;s four million strong Muslim population.
But a far-right group has announced plans to screen the controversial film in Berlin. The Pro Deutschland Citizens’ Movement says this is a question of art and freedom of expression, not religion. No cinema has yet agreed to screen the film, but the group remains undeterred, even after remarks made Germany’s Interior Ministry, who accused them of “recklessly pouring oil on the fire.”
This is exactly the fire that some fear radical Muslims in Europe would be all too happy to fan.
“The Muslims are rising not only in the East but also in the West. We want Islam and we want the Sharia,” Muslim protester Anjem Choudary told RT. “People hate the Americans, and they hate their allies – and I think this is a very good turning point for the Muslims.”
http://rt.com/news/europe-muslim-protests-muhammad-399/
....I just wanted to share this because I believe that what the article says is true, there are groups and intolerant extremist groups among Muslims (like those who blew up USA embassy in Benghazi and killed Ambassador who had nothing to do with the movie) ....and among the people of the West (like those who created the movie and burn Quran like pastor Terry jones and Anders Breivek who killed many Norwegians) ..... it is these two typed of people who add fuel to the fire and create problems ....
For example "Shariah for belgium" .... who enforces Shariah where majority is of Non Muslims ?
Allah (swt) knows best but I am sharing this for my Muslim Brothers/sisters in the West so that they do not fall for these groups by joining them....
Holy smoke: Will Islamic extremists ignite rioting across EU
European capitals have become stages for anti-Western protests, by those outraged by the US made film ‘Innocence of Muslims’. But are calls for a holy war a sincere protest or a recruiting strategy of radical groups?
*A wave of anti-American rallies, that started in Muslim countries a week ago, have spread rapidly to Europe, engulfing Paris, Berlin, London, Antwerp and other major cities.
The low-budget film ‘Innocence of Muslims’ depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a fraudster and child molester provoked a varying reactions amongst the Muslim community. While one called for their religion to be respected, others called for American embassies to be burned down. Now, as the outrage has engulfed Europe, protests there differ, too.
Thus, a demonstration in Belgium’s Gent gathered around a hundred or so young Muslims, chanting “We want respect”, with the small rally wrapping up without incident.
In Antwerp, though, police had to detain 120 people. Around two hundred of those demonstrating were carrying black flags associated with the Salafi radical Islam sect, chanting anti-US slogans such as “Obama go to hell” and refusing to disperse. In total, some 250 protesters were detained in Belgium over the weekend.
Reports suggest the radical Islamic group, Shariah4Belgium, have been behind calls to stage major protests in Belgium. Muslim leaders in the country, though clearly disapproving of the film, wasted no time in condemn the street violence.
In London roughly 1,000 people answered the calls issued by the hard-line Hizb ut-Tahrir organization, which seeks a unified Islamic government throughout the Arab world. Gathering near the American embassy on Sunday, the angry crowd burnt US flags and shouted “America – get out of Muslim lands.”
Though the European protests against the film are far smaller than those seen in the Arab world, foreign policy experts are worried the current wave of resentment might be manipulated by Islamic extremists, who want to recruit new members.
“You’ve got mainstream extremists, for want of a better word, looking to exploit this. They usually want young men to come and join – and get into a habit of protest, a habit of extreme demands and demonstration,” Carina O’Relly, security analyst at IHS Global Insight told RT.
Jamal Khashoggi, a writer for Al-Hayat newspaper, stresses that the core of the protests in Europe are made up of “conservative far-right Islamists which are as xenophobic [as the makers of the scandalous film]."
“Those who react to [the film] through inciting violence are not innocent as well, for they too have a political agenda,” says Khashoggi.
Others think that the protests are only an excuse to vent anger that has been storing up for years.
“Most of the people taking part in the protests are without a job, without any economical perspective, having seen humiliation, having lived under dictatorship supported by the US, UK and EU for decades. Basically, this is an expression of anger, frustration,” Lode Vanoost, an international consultant and former Belgian MP, told RT. “There are organizations – extremist movements – who use this for own goals.”
In Europe, the film poses a huge human rights dilemma. Germany has been weighing up a ban on the film, hoping to appease the country;s four million strong Muslim population.
But a far-right group has announced plans to screen the controversial film in Berlin. The Pro Deutschland Citizens’ Movement says this is a question of art and freedom of expression, not religion. No cinema has yet agreed to screen the film, but the group remains undeterred, even after remarks made Germany’s Interior Ministry, who accused them of “recklessly pouring oil on the fire.”
This is exactly the fire that some fear radical Muslims in Europe would be all too happy to fan.
“The Muslims are rising not only in the East but also in the West. We want Islam and we want the Sharia,” Muslim protester Anjem Choudary told RT. “People hate the Americans, and they hate their allies – and I think this is a very good turning point for the Muslims.”
http://rt.com/news/europe-muslim-protests-muhammad-399/
....I just wanted to share this because I believe that what the article says is true, there are groups and intolerant extremist groups among Muslims (like those who blew up USA embassy in Benghazi and killed Ambassador who had nothing to do with the movie) ....and among the people of the West (like those who created the movie and burn Quran like pastor Terry jones and Anders Breivek who killed many Norwegians) ..... it is these two typed of people who add fuel to the fire and create problems ....
For example "Shariah for belgium" .... who enforces Shariah where majority is of Non Muslims ?
Allah (swt) knows best but I am sharing this for my Muslim Brothers/sisters in the West so that they do not fall for these groups by joining them....
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Asalam alaikum,
I decided to watch the movie this morning.
I didn't like it very much because the acting sucked. I did the wise thing.... i closed the browser, said "Astugfirullah" for wasting a couple of minutes of my time in watching such rubbish.
The way i see it, this movie, it was definitely nothing to do with my Beloved Muhammed (PBUH). I wasn't offended by it one bit, because it was the story of some other guy, a so called 'Muhammed'.
Not 1 bit of this this so called 'Muhammeds' character matched with the beautiful and flawless character of my beloved Muhammed (PBUH).
wa'salam
I decided to watch the movie this morning.
I didn't like it very much because the acting sucked. I did the wise thing.... i closed the browser, said "Astugfirullah" for wasting a couple of minutes of my time in watching such rubbish.
The way i see it, this movie, it was definitely nothing to do with my Beloved Muhammed (PBUH). I wasn't offended by it one bit, because it was the story of some other guy, a so called 'Muhammed'.
Not 1 bit of this this so called 'Muhammeds' character matched with the beautiful and flawless character of my beloved Muhammed (PBUH).
wa'salam