Iraqi raids anger Shiite militia

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Izyan said:
What proof do you have of this?
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Give me a day so I can compile the list... it's a very long one, but whenever Maliki is challenged, the United States steps in and calls the opposition a "terrorist" groups or rogue element - because Maliki is a good patsy for Bush and would never challenge him on anything. Not that it matters. Bush will always find fault with the Iraqi government no matter how it's configured, because his plans are permanant. So his people say the ISI hires an actor to put an Iraqi face on to hide it's foreign origin.. and I have to laugh because that's exactly how I view Maliki. Bush made a big deal about the cross-border raid in Ammon, Jordan - highlighting the fact that Zarqawi's men took out a wedding party and there was no military target... but Bush met with Maliki in Ammon within a week after Zarqawi's death and the U.S. has performed dozens of cross-border raids.. not to mention one of the very first victims of the Shock and Awe campaign (coined by a pervert, by the way) was an innocent wedding party!

I'm going to take a rest for now... the hypocrisy of it all takes it's toll on my nerves, but I will compile that list for you. If there's one thing I do extremely well, it's research!

The Ninth Scribe
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Sadr is Iran. and vice versa.
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That's weird. He just asked Syria for help... not Iran. Iran is the one who told him to knock it off and chill out. But I find that sometimes reports are issued that aren't correct and many times I've had to wait months for the corrections to surface - so I guess this is a matter of "we shall see."

The Ninth Scribe
 
Ninth_Scribe said:
That's weird. He just asked Syria for help... not Iran. Iran is the one who told him to knock it off and chill out. But I find that sometimes reports are issued that aren't correct and many times I've had to wait months for the corrections to surface - so I guess this is a matter of "we shall see."

The Ninth Scribe
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Sadr was in Iran last year. and Ahmedijahd was in Iraq this year. They are bonded. Mehdi Army is a Shia belief more than a Sunni.
 
It looks like Sadr outplayed Maliki at his own game. Sadr cleverly called for a peaceful end, whilst still keeping his guns. Moreover, Sadr is trying to position himself as a pan-Islamic-Iraqi leader, which he clearly isn't it........Maliki has been made to look like an American tool........this move was blunder for him.........
 
^^ Maliki is a yanky tool! - Sadr at least has courage and years of supression by Saddam, he's able to take some control. He's the one doing the leadership, Yanks thought they'd defeat them, but last five days showed them this isn't possible!
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
^^ Maliki is a yanky tool! - Sadr at least has courage and years of supression by Saddam, he's able to take some control. He's the one doing the leadership, Yanks thought they'd defeat them, but last five days showed them this isn't possible!
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Not possible? It is very, very possible...it's just messy, and not something Bush or Maliki want on the headlines right now. Maliki was the one actually pressing the issue, giving deadlines and promises of "fighting to the end". Mowing down militia is always messy, almost as messy as rooting out the "jihadi" types from urban areas. The point is to rebuild infrastructure, not create a parking lot.
 
PM Brown announced that the planned withdrawal of Brit Troops is now delayed.

The 1500 troops that were going to leave now have to stay.
Well done Mhadi Army. You getting rid of the infidel by making them stay.


Sheesh.
 
barney said:
PM Brown announced that the planned withdrawal of Brit Troops is now delayed.

The 1500 troops that were going to leave now have to stay.
Well done Mhadi Army. You getting rid of the infidel by making them stay.


Sheesh.
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Very true. I think many "jihadis" and the other factions have been misled to believe that the Americans and Brits will leave if the job gets too rough. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, that isn't the case at all. The thing about the Brits and Americans, in particular, is that they are stubborn. Basing a strategy on what occurred in Vietnam isn't going to work in Iraq. As I've said before, the NVA and Vietcong were a completely different animal than the enemies in Iraq.

Now the Brits are staying, to be stubborn, and the Americans will probably "re-surge" before the end of the year.
 
Ninth_Scribe said:
Well, that "terrorist" was encouraged by America to travel to Afghanistan, so I dismiss the whole "foreign" fighter debate, and he didn't just show up on his own accord. He was invited by an Iraqi group to help. Every group who has fought in Iraq has made mistakes and has been messy - but NONE of them invaded Iraq - that's all on Bush! I just wish you could have spoken to the man you're calling a worthless thug. He had some remarkable qualities and made himself available on forums because he wanted guidance. I'm sorry for your cousin, but that wasn't his fault. It's the fault of the scholars who teach that if your land is invaded you are duty bound to make Jihad to defend it - and, by the way... this happens to be America's belief too, only we call it a "draft" rather than a religious obligation.

My eyes were never on the soldiers (Mujahideen). My eyes have always been on the scholars because they command the Mujahideen. For heaven's sake 9-11 wouldn't have even happened had it not been for a scholar writing a permission to allow it. And I'm not in a position to pick and choose between the scholars for the ones who agree with me. I have to hear them all out, every last one. I'm not pleased with what I've heard, but this isn't for my entertainment.

The Ninth Scribe
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What does Ahmad Fadeel al-Nazal al-Khalayleh going to Afghanistan have to do with Iraq? Stay focused here. He is responsible for my cousins death because he was there when he ordered his execution for not joining his group. In the US military draft if you refuse to join you go to jail. In Al Queda if you refuse to join they kill and rape your sister in front of you. Do you know how much they have done to my family? They didn't work with the US, they weren't a part of the Shiite militia, they were just simple workers. So yes I considered Ahmad Fadeel al-Nazal al-Khalayleh a plague on Iraq and was glad of his demise.
 
barney said:
PM Brown announced that the planned withdrawal of Brit Troops is now delayed.

The 1500 troops that were going to leave now have to stay.
Well done Mhadi Army. You getting rid of the infidel by making them stay.


Sheesh.
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The British leadership is mostly to blame for the trouble in Basra. They knew the Iraqi police were not ready yet to take over but they were in such a hurry to hand over control.
 
And of course the British are leaving their bases at night, dressing in Robes and re-equipping with AK47's then heading into Basra to slaughter people. This will be an excuse for them to stay so that the very last drops of Iraq Oil can go into british peoples cars. Oil prices are so cheap now in Britain that petrol has dropped to only 5 pence per gallon with all that stolen oil.
We are having to store all the oil in secret resovoirs that leak out onto Blackpool Beach.
 
barney said:
And of course the British are leaving their bases at night, dressing in Robes and re-equipping with AK47's then heading into Basra to slaughter people. This will be an excuse for them to stay so that the very last drops of Iraq Oil can go into british peoples cars. Oil prices are so cheap now in Britain that petrol has dropped to only 5 pence per gallon with all that stolen oil.
We are having to store all the oil in secret resovoirs that leak out onto Blackpool Beach.
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Point taken. I typed mostly but didn't really mean mostly. I meant partly to blame. The militias are mostly to blame.
 
Keltoi said:
Not possible? It is very, very possible...it's just messy, and not something Bush or Maliki want on the headlines right now. Maliki was the one actually pressing the issue, giving deadlines and promises of "fighting to the end". Mowing down militia is always messy, almost as messy as rooting out the "jihadi" types from urban areas. The point is to rebuild infrastructure, not create a parking lot.
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Giving promises? Lip service. Means nothing. They know as you say, tackling Sadr isn't like taking over Iraq when they toppled Saddam. They need Sadr. We all know that. Not as a foe. :)
 
barney said:
And of course the British are leaving their bases at night, dressing in Robes and re-equipping with AK47's then heading into Basra to slaughter people. This will be an excuse for them to stay so that the very last drops of Iraq Oil can go into british peoples cars. Oil prices are so cheap now in Britain that petrol has dropped to only 5 pence per gallon with all that stolen oil.
We are having to store all the oil in secret resovoirs that leak out onto Blackpool Beach.
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Haha, though I should not laugh. Off Topic. The ungodly indian police used to do that in india, during the troubles is in Panjab. At night dress as 'Sikh Militants' then force the way into Sikh homes, and expect to be served etc etc, then during daylight the dogs would return as police and interogate them and say you've had 'Sikh Militants' in your house why. then take them away and torture them and kill them in fake encounters. It's happening now too. Peaceful people just arrested for no reason whatsover. It's only a matter of time before Sikhs resort to the tactics of the late 80's and early 90's! :cry:
 
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