is it good to learn about all religions ( divine and non-divine)?
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well after reading this I think alot of sikhs nowadays simply follow the religion of thier parents....thats how people can come to accept religions which dont have much "steak"
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found it...!!!
(*sigh ... i always delete my history... if i want to do some research...i got to surf it again... again ... and again)
here is the website...
DiscoverSikhi.Com > Why I Left Sikhism to Revert to Islam
*pls bare in mind that... there maybe a little truth in it... but still... we may learn something from it.
(*sigh ... i always delete my history... if i want to do some research...i got to surf it again... again ... and again)
here is the website...
DiscoverSikhi.Com > Why I Left Sikhism to Revert to Islam
*pls bare in mind that... there maybe a little truth in it... but still... we may learn something from it.
Well several of the Sikh Gurus were tortured and executed by Mughal Emperors. Is that what you mean? Of course the problem is deeper than that as the Sikhs were persecuted by Muslim authorities from the moment they started. They converted people from Hinduism and Islam both of which the Mughals prohibited. I don't think you have to go far to discover why Sikhs bear grudges against Muslims.
Hey Sankelegs, how come you dont know that in our Book God curses thse who worship someone else except God or associate anything with Him? you asked me where in the Quran, well, the Quran is full of verses in which God says that the infidels who worshp anything or anyone beside Him will be etrenally in Hell.
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Sikhs are monotheists, so this doesn't really apply, does it?
Yes you should expect God to fight his own Battles, He said He would and he will, God further said "mine is the vengeance I will not be fooled"
God does not want his sons to fight anyone but hasatan and his fallen angels.
What is our function, then, if God does everything to us? God help His slaves and makes them victorious if they really fight for spreading justice. We should take the initiative and then God help us and gives us powers we never expect to have.
See, what s happening is Palestine and lately in Iraq, God is able to kill those who kill and harm innocent people in a glance, but we are the ones to take the initiative to defend our brothers and sisters, then, Allah will make us victorious.
In Battle Badr, Mohammed ( Peace Be Upon Him) and His warriors were much fewer than infidels and Muslims were not prepared for war, but still they were victorious. Victory is related to numbers or military power but in strong faith and noble objectives.
Some people say that jihad is what makes Islam have a violent and agressive outlook. I tell those who believe in this, do you want Muslims to be peaceful even if their sisters and brothers are raped, tortured and killed everyday. violence is a result of violence and injustice.
See, what s happening is Palestine and lately in Iraq, God is able to kill those who kill and harm innocent people in a glance, but we are the ones to take the initiative to defend our brothers and sisters, then, Allah will make us victorious.
In Battle Badr, Mohammed ( Peace Be Upon Him) and His warriors were much fewer than infidels and Muslims were not prepared for war, but still they were victorious. Victory is related to numbers or military power but in strong faith and noble objectives.
Some people say that jihad is what makes Islam have a violent and agressive outlook. I tell those who believe in this, do you want Muslims to be peaceful even if their sisters and brothers are raped, tortured and killed everyday. violence is a result of violence and injustice.
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because it has been a long time since i've read the quran - it is time for me to read it again!
what about the other statements you've made that i quoted? here they are again:
"Our function in this earth is to change munkar "the bad thing" and if we cant, we can feel just hatered toward it." (re:buddhism and hinduism).
so are you supposed to feel hatred toward people like buddhists and hindus? - do you think it's religious to hate people?
"what the hell a Buddhist is doing in Islamic forum if he is convinced that buddhism is the best religion? Listen, talk about your religion which is man-made, dont say a word about Islam which purely from Allah."
in spite of the ironic subject line you gave this thread obviously buddhists at least, should keep their mouths shut on an islamic forum because they are following the wrong religion? how is this attitude going to win you the ears of people you are trying to bring to islam?
"liste, please dont tell me about your religion .... keep this for yourself"
so, you want to tell people about yours but not listen to what they say about theirs? why did you give this thread the title you did? how are you going to learn about all religions with this attitude? a little tolerance and respect would be very useful if you want to promote yours.
"What makes me angry as a Muslim and as a believer is the fact that some people do not believe in God"
why should this anger you? shouldn't it be a matter between the unbeliever and god? sounds like god's department to me.
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Of course, we dont have to hate people. This is not what we ordered to do. I said i should hate the wrong deeds and those who do these wrong deeds. I think I am free to feel what I like.
Religiously speaking, believing in God is something instinct but our social, religious and political background has a strong impact on us and they either distort this instinct or refine it and change our perspectives.
Because I love God, I must hate everyone does not believe in Him. This is what I believe. It is logical to know that this world has a Master and has a Controller, we should all fear and love Him. He is the one who gives all the beauties of life even if we lack something in this life, this does not mean that God was unable to make us perfect, but this life is ephemeral and short and we cant be perfect in it. How can I love someone who disobey his parents who bring him to life, feed him, provide him with all the ncessary things and at the end this person leave his parents without thanking them? the same thing for people who were created by God and they are provided with many good things, but still they dont worship Him or associate anything with Him? I cant accept this. I respect only those who do not know anything about Islam and other Divine releigions because they are ignorant and they cant be blamed, but you and many people like you know much about Islam, Its tolearnce, Its logic, and Its mercy but still you resume your atheistic, agnostical, or even polytheistic faith.
why you should have doubts about the existence of God and about His absolute powers? You see that we, human beings, have reached the highest level of knowldge and make this big world like a small farm through technology: mobiles, internet,etc. So, if we human beings were able to do that, what about the one Who creates us all?
Why you want to see this God to believe in Him? You dont have to see Him but look at His creation. You can see people around you but still they give you nothing. The highest level of faith is to believe in something you dont see. Our reward will be Paradise, you know what is Paradise? do you want to get this Paradise easily? Do you want to see God in front of your eyes to believe that He is there? If we all see God, no one will disbelieve, while in fact, the reason behind the creation of this wordly life is to testify our faith. Life is just an exam and bridge to a bteer life. If this life was soooooo important, you would not find people live only few years, while others live 80 years, you would not find people who are handicap and others who are healthy, you wouldnt find people who are rich and others who starve. It s not fair to have only one life in which people live comfortably while others suffer. It must be another life in which we ll be all equal in happiness, beauty, and prosperity. Only those who dont want to believe in God who will spend the rest of their life in Hell. Why you expect God to give you Paradise and you dont do anything to Him. God doesnt need anything from us because we are powerless, He just wants us to worship Him. He is God and we are His slaves. He gives us many things and we should worship Him in return. This the reason behind the existence of humanity on the face of this Allah.
It is not that complicated, believe in your God. I am sure there are many things you believe in and you use though you dont see them. Whats the soul u have in your body? can u see it, but still it is more important than your body which you can see. Your body worth nothing without this abstract matter. What is imagination? what are dreams? and a lot of other things you cant grasp their meanings.
By the way,if I am bad person or whatever, it doesnt mean that I will be the reason behind your unwilingness to convert to Islam. You can see in the media, some bad Muslims kill innocent people, but still everyday people convert to Islam. I am not bad like those, but I have a bad feelings for those who dont believe in God Who created every little thing in this universe. this is my personal attitude, I am free to think what I like as you are free to doubt about the existence of God who has no father nor son. when one day you convert to Islam, you will understand why I am angry with disbelievers. God is the greatest and we are ordered to feel sad when we see people do anything to disobey God.
Of course, we dont have to hate people. This is not what we ordered to do. I said i should hate the wrong deeds and those who do these wrong deeds. I think I am free to feel what I like.
Religiously speaking, believing in God is something instinct but our social, religious and political background has a strong impact on us and they either distort this instinct or refine it and change our perspectives.
Because I love God, I must hate everyone does not believe in Him. This is what I believe. It is logical to know that this world has a Master and has a Controller, we should all fear and love Him. He is the one who gives all the beauties of life even if we lack something in this life, this does not mean that God was unable to make us perfect, but this life is ephemeral and short and we cant be perfect in it. How can I love someone who disobey his parents who bring him to life, feed him, provide him with all the ncessary things and at the end this person leave his parents without thanking them? the same thing for people who were created by God and they are provided with many good things, but still they dont worship Him or associate anything with Him? I cant accept this. I respect only those who do not know anything about Islam and other Divine releigions because they are ignorant and they cant be blamed, but you and many people like you know much about Islam, Its tolearnce, Its logic, and Its mercy but still you resume your atheistic, agnostical, or even polytheistic faith.
why you should have doubts about the existence of God and about His absolute powers? You see that we, human beings, have reached the highest level of knowldge and make this big world like a small farm through technology: mobiles, internet,etc. So, if we human beings were able to do that, what about the one Who creates us all?
Why you want to see this God to believe in Him? You dont have to see Him but look at His creation. You can see people around you but still they give you nothing. The highest level of faith is to believe in something you dont see. Our reward will be Paradise, you know what is Paradise? do you want to get this Paradise easily? Do you want to see God in front of your eyes to believe that He is there? If we all see God, no one will disbelieve, while in fact, the reason behind the creation of this wordly life is to testify our faith. Life is just an exam and bridge to a bteer life. If this life was soooooo important, you would not find people live only few years, while others live 80 years, you would not find people who are handicap and others who are healthy, you wouldnt find people who are rich and others who starve. It s not fair to have only one life in which people live comfortably while others suffer. It must be another life in which we ll be all equal in happiness, beauty, and prosperity. Only those who dont want to believe in God who will spend the rest of their life in Hell. Why you expect God to give you Paradise and you dont do anything to Him. God doesnt need anything from us because we are powerless, He just wants us to worship Him. He is God and we are His slaves. He gives us many things and we should worship Him in return. This the reason behind the existence of humanity on the face of this Allah.
It is not that complicated, believe in your God. I am sure there are many things you believe in and you use though you dont see them. Whats the soul u have in your body? can u see it, but still it is more important than your body which you can see. Your body worth nothing without this abstract matter. What is imagination? what are dreams? and a lot of other things you cant grasp their meanings.
By the way,if I am bad person or whatever, it doesnt mean that I will be the reason behind your unwilingness to convert to Islam. You can see in the media, some bad Muslims kill innocent people, but still everyday people convert to Islam. I am not bad like those, but I have a bad feelings for those who dont believe in God Who created every little thing in this universe. this is my personal attitude, I am free to think what I like as you are free to doubt about the existence of God who has no father nor son. when one day you convert to Islam, you will understand why I am angry with disbelievers. God is the greatest and we are ordered to feel sad when we see people do anything to disobey God.
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Umm... self-contradiction here? I don't hate non-Muslims, I hate non-Muslims?
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Greetings to fellow non-muslims and :salamext:
This is not a place to bash other people’s faith nor is it a place for anyone to curse others.
If you do not hold ilm (knowledge) on a topic it is best you refrain from posting in the first place. Allah (subhana wa ta’ala) guides whom he pleases.
It is alright for one to learn about other people’s faiths and their teachings. Ahmed Deedat (May Allah be pleased with him) is a great example of some one who was well versed in other faith. However, you have to notice that he was also well versed in Islam. It is best that one learns about their deen first before jumping the wagon. Just because one knows about tahweed and has read few books does not qualify them to be in the same level as the likes of Scholars.
Also people, in future references be careful on what you write. It doesn’t give anyone here the right to mock other people’s faith. That is not the teachings of Islam.
This thread has diverted from its original purpose, serves little benefit and thus will be
Closed, if you have any queries PM me for further clarification on the matter.
This is not a place to bash other people’s faith nor is it a place for anyone to curse others.
If you do not hold ilm (knowledge) on a topic it is best you refrain from posting in the first place. Allah (subhana wa ta’ala) guides whom he pleases.
It is alright for one to learn about other people’s faiths and their teachings. Ahmed Deedat (May Allah be pleased with him) is a great example of some one who was well versed in other faith. However, you have to notice that he was also well versed in Islam. It is best that one learns about their deen first before jumping the wagon. Just because one knows about tahweed and has read few books does not qualify them to be in the same level as the likes of Scholars.
Also people, in future references be careful on what you write. It doesn’t give anyone here the right to mock other people’s faith. That is not the teachings of Islam.
This thread has diverted from its original purpose, serves little benefit and thus will be
Closed, if you have any queries PM me for further clarification on the matter.
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