Is Jesus God?

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Nimrod was a great archer/hunter before God.

I very much enjoy shooting my Bow. I am pretty good at it, so I adopted the name of an Archer from the Bible.
Some folks, I am sure, think I should have adopted the name Nabob though.:rollseyes

I hope that answers it.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Isa (AS) was not god. He was a slave of Allah and Allah chose him to be His messenger.

What you say is right to you and wrong to me. We each base our beliefs on what we believe to be the Word of God (Quran for you and Bible for me).

We foster understanding between adherents of our two religions when we say WHY we believe something, such as your statement, rather than just stating it, as you have done. I have tried to back everything I say up with a scriptural citation, so you can check it out, to see if what I say is at least supported by my authority, the Bible. Even if you reject the Bible, at least you will know why I believe something I say in my posts.

It is interesting, though, that our respective authorities definitely cannot BOTH be true, at least not on this subject, the Deity of Christ, or Is Jesus God? This is obviously an extremely important subject because if Jesus IS in fact God, equal with the Father, to say otherwise and to teach others that He is NOT, would seem to bring serious consequences, if not now, then certainly for all eternity. That would be especially true if Jesus Himself is going to be our Judge, as John 5:22-23; Romans 14:10; and 2 Cor. 5:10 teach.

The two most important matters, in my opinion, that bear on our eternal destination, are 1. WHO is Jesus? and 2. WHAT did He do?---the Person and Work of Jesus Christ.

This thread is about the first matter---WHO is Jesus? And more specifically, Is He God?

For the Christian, He was/is God come in the flesh to live a perfect, sinless life and then go to the Cross to die for the sins of mankind, making an atonement for sin, to reconcile sinful man back to a Holy and Righteous God. Since all men are sinners, no mere man could ever pay for those sins. It had to be God Himself in the Person of His sinless Son that could pay for sins by the sacrifice of Himself. His resurrection and showing Himself alive to hundreds of people over 40 days before ascending back to heaven was the confirmation that His payment was accepted by the Father, opening the gates of heaven to all who accept that payment personally and individually for their own sins, receiving the Risen and Living Christ into their lives as their own personal Savior and Lord.

Correct me if I’m wrong but it is my understanding that the Quran denies the above, both as to WHO Jesus is and WHAT He did. It teaches He is a mere man, not God come in the flesh. It also denies that He died on a Roman cross, let alone that His death paid for anyone’s sins. The Bible teaches the opposite on both points:

THAT HE IS GOD:

John 1:
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Colossians 2:9 (NASB) For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form.

and many other passages.


THAT HE DIED FOR OUR SINS:

Romans 5:8. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

1 Corinthians 15:
3. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4. and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

1 Peter 3:18. For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,

and many other passages.


I am still puzzled as to HOW anyone can deny a fact of history, namely, that Jesus Christ was crucified on a Roman cross, a fact substantiated by non-biblical, historical sources. And secondly, if He didn’t die for your sins, HOW do you propose that your sins will ever be paid for, unless you pay for them yourself for all eternity?

Peace
 
Thanks be to Allah (swt) for all who have posted. In my daily renewal as a Muslim I am faced with this question daily. I have been 'programed" to believe Jesus (Isa, pbuh) is God, Son of God and part of a Trinity. But in my heart and mind I know this cannot be true. Allah (swt) who does not have a body thus cannot (or apparently would not) have an offspring. (Let me redefine that...if Allah chooses He could create a son, but why would he?)

In other words, why would a Heavenly Father who created us have to sacrifice a son, who was infinite and remained infinite even while he was finite, to save us. He had told us through the prophets how to be saved. Then, how can God die...if he died, would he not be god; if he didn't then god was not true to "his word" (as Christians understand it).

That is what I finally believe, praise Allah. And when the influence of Christianity (I'd be tempted to say cancer, but thats just my opinion and I do not mean to offend anyone) comes at me that is how I remind myself of the Truth. The Shahada states it.

Sorry, I don't mean to ramble. But what I mean to do is thank you, my Muslim brothers and sisters, for offering such intelligent and heartfelt exposition of the Right Path.
 
Muslims often misunderstand the term "Son of God" to mean that God literally had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus. That is not what the term means, nor is it what the Bible teaches, and it is not what Christianity teaches. The term "Son of God" refers not to procreation, but to a special relationship that Jesus has with God the Father.
The phrase "Son of God" occurs 43 times in the New American Standard Bible and it refers to Jesus. The term is specifically designated as a title in Romans 1:4, "who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord." Notice that it says Jesus was declared the Son of God. This shows that it is a title and does not mean that he was begotten through sexual relations between God and Mary, Also, Jesus calls himself the Son in Mark 13:32, "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."1 And at Jesus' baptism, God speaks from heaven and says, "Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased," (Mark. 1:11). Clearly, Jesus is said to be the Son of God by the scriptures, by the Father, and by himself.
Here are a few verses worth noting:

John 1:49, "Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel." 50 Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you that I saw you under the fig tree, do you believe? You shall see greater things than these."
Nathaniel calls Jesus the son of God and Jesus does not correct him. Jesus affirms Nathaniel's belief.
John 10:36-37, "do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me."
Jesus is affirming that he is the son of God.
John 11:3, "But when Jesus heard it, He said, "This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified by it."
Jesus calls himself the Son of God.
John 19:7, "The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the Son of God."
The Jews understood that to claim to be the son of God was to claimed to be equal with God.
John 20:30, "but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name."
The apostle John wrote the gospel so that we might know and believe that Jesus is the son of God.
regards,
samantha

Well said, Samantha. You've done your homework!

Peace
 
Thanks be to Allah (swt) for all who have posted. In my daily renewal as a Muslim I am faced with this question daily. I have been 'programed" to believe Jesus (Isa, pbuh) is God, Son of God and part of a Trinity. But in my heart and mind I know this cannot be true. Allah (swt) who does not have a body thus cannot (or apparently would not) have an offspring. (Let me redefine that...if Allah chooses He could create a son, but why would he?)

I think what Samantha said above might clear up the confusion over God having a Son and how Jesus can be the Son of God as both He and the Father, and others declared. God did not create the Son. The Son actually created everything:

John 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Colossians 1:16. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.


In other words, why would a Heavenly Father who created us have to sacrifice a son, who was infinite and remained infinite even while he was finite, to save us. He had told us through the prophets how to be saved.

He had to sacrifice a Son because of our sins. Either WE pay for them for all eternity, or we accept the Son's payment on our behalf. ALL sin must be punished. It doesn't just go away. God's justice requires payment. Even if we never sinned again for the rest of our lives, we would still have past sin that needed payment. Doing good does not cancel out all the bad we do. The only thing that cancels sin is PAYMENT FOR IT. That is what Jesus died on the cross.

You say, "He told us through the prophets how to be saved." That's true and look what the prophet Isaiah said:

Isaiah 53:
5. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.
6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not his mouth.
8. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9. And they made His grave with the wicked but with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him
; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11. He shall see the travail of His soul, and be satisfied. by His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities.
12. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Then, how can God die...if he died, would he not be god; if he didn't then god was not true to "his word" (as Christians understand it).

Before Jesus took a body, He was "the Word" in heaven with the God the Father. He was in the form of God and equal with God. In that form, He could not die. That is why He had to take on a body, which could die, to pay for our sins. Philippians 2:5-11 explains it this way:

5. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
6. who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
7. but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men.
8. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
9. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
10. that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
11. and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Peter 3:18 puts it this way:
18. For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,

Jesus is "the just" or the sinless or righteous one. We are "the unjust", sinners in word, thought and deed. He suffered for OUR sins (He had none of His own to pay for), "that He might bring us to God." Our sins separate us from a Holy, Righteous God. Jesus bridges that gap by paying for those sins, thereby removing our condemnation and making us "justified" or "just as if we had never sinned." Jesus, the JUST One, makes us UNJUST ones "JUST" by His payment for our sins.

When He was on the Cross, just as He is about to die, He said, "IT IS FINISHED!" The Greek word is tetelestai, which also means, "IT IS PAID IN FULL". In Bible times, that word would be written on payment receipts if an account or bill was paid off.

Consider this a moment. Man in his sinful condition cannot save himself. He is utterly without the capacity or inclination to make himself right with God. In that state, man stands condemned before God. God could rightly send all mankind to hell or the lake of fire. It would be totally JUST for God to do that. However, God is also loving and merciful and not willing that any should perish, but He cannot just let sinful man off the hook and into a perfect, sinless heaven in man's fallen, sinful state. So God sends His own perfect, sinless Son to earth, taking on a body, to live a perfect, sinless life, and then go to the Cross to die for all the sins of the world. God has thereby provided man with the remedy for his sins, so that upon acceptance of the Son's payment, a man can have his sins freely forgiven by virtue of their having been paid for by Christ. Now, what is your situation if you reject that payment? You are already under condemnation for your sins, so the sentence is simply carried out at the judgment and you are cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:11-15). Is that what you want? I think not. But unless you accept Jesus' payment for your sins, you are rejecting God's own remedy and He is left with no other possible course of action at the judgment than to carry out your eternal death sentence. In the final analysis, YOU make the choice. He simply sentences you based on YOUR choice. And after reading this and knowing all this, you will have no excuse that you didn't know that you SHOULD make that choice. Right now as you finish reading this, you will make a choice, to accept Christ's payment for your sins, or to reject it. ONLY YOU can make that choice. What will your choice be?

Peace
 
Sorry, my last post contained a typographical error which I found when re-reading it after posting. I have corrected the error here, although when copying and pasteing, the quote boxes disappeared, so I will make the font different colors (sorry about the error):

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tariq Baker
Thanks be to Allah (swt) for all who have posted. In my daily renewal as a Muslim I am faced with this question daily. I have been 'programed" to believe Jesus (Isa, pbuh) is God, Son of God and part of a Trinity. But in my heart and mind I know this cannot be true. Allah (swt) who does not have a body thus cannot (or apparently would not) have an offspring. (Let me redefine that...if Allah chooses He could create a son, but why would he?)

I think what Samantha said above might clear up the confusion over God having a Son and how Jesus can be the Son of God as both He and the Father, and others declared. God did not create the Son. The Son actually created everything:

John 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Tariq Baker
In other words, why would a Heavenly Father who created us have to sacrifice a son, who was infinite and remained infinite even while he was finite, to save us. He had told us through the prophets how to be saved.

He had to sacrifice a Son because of our sins. Either WE pay for them for all eternity, or we accept the Son's payment on our behalf. ALL sin must be punished. It doesn't just go away. God's justice requires payment. Even if we never sinned again for the rest of our lives, we would still have past sin that needed payment. Doing good does not cancel out all the bad we do. The only thing that cancels sin is PAYMENT FOR IT. That is what Jesus did on the cross. [Here, I have corrected the typo, "did" not "died"]

You say, "He told us through the prophets how to be saved." That's true and look what the prophet Isaiah said:

Isaiah 53:
5. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.
6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not his mouth.
8. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9. And they made His grave with the wicked but with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him
; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11. He shall see the travail of His soul, and be satisfied. by His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities.
12. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tariq Baker
Then, how can God die...if he died, would he not be god; if he didn't then god was not true to "his word" (as Christians understand it).

Before Jesus took a body, He was "the Word" in heaven with the God the Father. He was in the form of God and equal with God. In that form, He could not die. That is why He had to take on a body, which could die, to pay for our sins. Philippians 2:5-11 explains it this way:

5. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
6. who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
7. but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men.
8. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
9. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
10. that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
11. and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Peter 3:18 puts it this way:
18. For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,

Jesus is "the just" or the sinless or righteous one. We are "the unjust", sinners in word, thought and deed. He suffered for OUR sins (He had none of His own to pay for), "that He might bring us to God." Our sins separate us from a Holy, Righteous God. Jesus bridges that gap by paying for those sins, thereby removing our condemnation and making us "justified" or "just as if we had never sinned." Jesus, the JUST One, makes us UNJUST ones "JUST" by His payment for our sins.

When He was on the Cross, just as He is about to die, He said, "IT IS FINISHED!" The Greek word is tetelestai, which also means, "IT IS PAID IN FULL". In Bible times, that word would be written on payment receipts if an account or bill was paid off.

Consider this a moment. Man in his sinful condition cannot save himself. He is utterly without the capacity or inclination to make himself right with God. In that state, man stands condemned before God. God could rightly send all mankind to hell or the lake of fire. It would be totally JUST for God to do that. However, God is also loving and merciful and not willing that any should perish, but He cannot just let sinful man off the hook and into a perfect, sinless heaven in man's fallen, sinful state. So God sends His own perfect, sinless Son to earth, taking on a body, to live a perfect, sinless life, and then go to the Cross to die for all the sins of the world. God has thereby provided man with the remedy for his sins, so that upon acceptance of the Son's payment, a man can have his sins freely forgiven by virtue of their having been paid for by Christ. Now, what is your situation if you reject that payment? You are already under condemnation for your sins, so the sentence is simply carried out at the judgment and you are cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:11-15). Is that what you want? I think not. But unless you accept Jesus' payment for your sins, you are rejecting God's own remedy and He is left with no other possible course of action at the judgment than to carry out your eternal death sentence. In the final analysis, YOU make the choice. He simply sentences you based on YOUR choice. And after reading this and knowing all this, you will have no excuse that you didn't know that you SHOULD make that choice. Right now as you finish reading this, you will make a choice, to accept Christ's payment for your sins, or to reject it. ONLY YOU can make that choice. What will your choice be?

Peace
 
A friend recently asked me a good question: "WHO is Yahweh?

"Yahweh" is the sacred name of God in the Old Testament, which in the Hebrew consisted really of four letters---YHWH---all consonants, no vowels. Someone inserted vowels to make it pronounceable. It is the same as "Jehovah" which is really not accurate. In the English translation known as the King James Version, YHWH is everywhere translated "LORD" (all capital letters) except in 4 places where it is rendered "Jehovah" (Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2 and 26:4). Just from common usage, "Jehovah" is more often used than "Yahweh" but the latter is actually more accurate, though even it is not what the original says. There are other names for God, such as Adonai, which the KJV renders in the English as "Lord" (not all capitals).

God's Name was so sacred in Old Testament times that, to avoid taking it in vain, in violation of the Third Commandment, one of the other names was usually spoken, such as Adonai, when the Scripture was read at the point that YHWH appeared in the text. Today, I've seen in these posts from time to time the use of "G-d" for "God." Not sure why that is, the writer for some reason not wanting to say the word "God" whether out of reverence or perhaps the opposite---not believing in God. I invite anyone who does that to explain why.

Peace
 
When our own Jewish Answer giving Brother was asked this he/she replied:

Correct. We will only write the "o" in G-d when it has to do with prayer. We do not use his name in common discussion like that.

Hashem is another way of saying G-d.

When a Jew yells "Hashem is our King", "Hashem was always our King", "Hashem will be our King forever!"

It is the equivolent of you saying... "Allah is great!" :-)

http://www.islamicboard.com/362142-post32.html

Personally, I do it from having spend a while on a different forum in which I had a jewish friend so when we discussed G-d I picked up from him outa respect for him.

Although from my understanding it is more relaxed if it is online, if it were on paper it would be different no chance of writing the whole thing. similar to Muslims and the names of G-d.
 
any christian please answer me-do xians believe that GOd is All-Powerful?
 
I can't speak in Mayra's name, but the stone-paradox is flawed and answered in Islam so I don't think that was her intention.
 
any christian please answer me-do xians believe that GOd is All-Powerful?
Yes of course, Christians believe God is all powerful. They also believe he is the creator of the universe and so one and so forth.
 

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