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so wot everybody thinks out there? r they using haalal music in there song as in islam beauty of the voice and drums r accepted in islam. Y include music?? Alhamdulilah i enjoy the words of 786 but the music puts me off!!
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Asslamu Alaikum
oh man sis ur sooooooo true.....most of the naats n nazmays...etc are changing and they all sound just like plain old regular music....Really...people know that but still as long as its so called "Islamic" then they think its ok ....right sis?
 
Asslamu Alaikum
oh man sis ur sooooooo true.....most of the naats n nazmays...etc are changing and they all sound just like plain old regular music....Really...people know that but still as long as its so called "Islamic" then they think its ok ....right sis?
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so true..music isn't even halaal!! and adding it onto Islamic nasheeds when they look better without music..i try to avoid the nasheeds with music..
 
Sami Yusuf, Native Deen, Namaz Shareef?, Outlandish all these two plantora of Nasheed artists are mixing instruments which are not allowed in Islam.
 
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Sisters, I agree. But I don’t think “modernized” is the right word to describe their music. One can be modernized without compromising Islam. I would say they’re following the kafir boy bands and artists. Its really sad b/c so many young Muslims think its ok and it’s their idea of promoting Islam . Sometimes I feel like all they want is approval from their western counterparts.
One more thing, I hope every one is taking advantage of these 10 blessed days of this month. May Allah forgive our sins and guide us to His Path. Ameen. :sister:

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No, they don't want approval from anyone except Allah. At least that's what my tete-a-tete conversation with them had entailed.

Have you met them personally? If you haven't I beg of you not to criticize them before giving them a chance to explain themselves.

Please email them and tell them what you really think and then decide whether you have appropriately evaluated their mission and vision.
 
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slmz

very interesting views mashallah!! Maybe ur rite, shudn't av used the word modernised?? Thats the only word i can think of!!

music is absolutely haaram in islam, but all the nasheed artist are the replacement of holly/bolly songs as young muslims are obsessed with them!! I greatly appreaciate what they are doing, but i disagree when they include instruments as voice and the drums allowed as i said before!! They should be careful, fear allah(swt) only!!

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Bro takumi, I think u misunderstood me. Personally I have nothing against 786 or any other artists. Allah knows best about their intention thus my comment is not based on what’s in their heart rather their actions. They are public figures. Their action explains more about them than their words. My point is that they are misleading many Muslims. They are promoting something which is haram.
It’s not ok to compromise Islam in order to live your dream as a musician. Especially when you are influencing others to follow a similar path. They said that their aim is to propagate Islam and to please Allah. But that’s not possible if someone tries to accomplish it through haram means.
I’ve heard their music. Whether u like to admit it or not, they are the product of their environment. Their music sounds more like contemporary pop music than meaningful words praising Allah.
I hope I didn’t offend you in any way. If I did then please forgive me.
May Allah guide us to Him and keep us firm in His Path.
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Shana524 said:
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Bro takumi, I think u misunderstood me. Personally I have nothing against 786 or any other artists. Allah knows best about their intention thus my comment is not based on what’s in their heart rather their actions. They are public figures. Their action explains more about them than their words. My point is that they are misleading many Muslims.
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Please give the muslims some credit. They are not dumb. They consciously know what they are doing. Do you honestly believe that muslims who listen to mainstream music would listen to 786 and other artists?

I guess I have to call Zafar now and tell him that he's destined to the hell fire if he doesn't make taubah.
 
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As it was mentioned in some one's post: An artist's real intentions iare hidden from all of us, however only Allah subhallah wah tallah knows their Niyyah, I know for once I cannot judge them if I do I will be a mushriq.

some rhetorical questions:
  • Having said that, there are ways of doing things CORRECTLY by following the Ah-le Sunnah wal Jammah. Are these artists incorporating the instruments,which are forbidden in Islam?-strings etc...
  • Secondly, what is more important, following the Sunnah, or spreading the words of Allah subhallah wah tallah in every personalized way it is possible, because we all be judged on the day of Ressurection, and will be asked, "how we made USE OF our talents and gifts given by Allah swt?
  • How we give spread the truth, when we knew others were misled?"
    • Sometimes, we dont undertake what is being intented and jump into conclusions..
    • I stil think its impermissble if not haram persay..Allahu Alim.
      may Allah subhallah wah tallah forgive me if I have said something what wrong for He is the wisest of all...





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helena said:
slmz

very interesting views mashallah!! Maybe ur rite, shudn't av used the word modernised?? Thats the only word i can think of!!

music is absolutely haaram in islam, but all the nasheed artist are the replacement of holly/bolly songs as young muslims are obsessed with them!! I greatly appreaciate what they are doing, but i disagree when they include instruments as voice and the drums allowed as i said before!! They should be careful, fear allah(swt) only!!

Wslmz
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Your stand on music is duly noted. FYI, there are opinions out there who deem musical instruments permissible.

True enough, the alternative opinion has been formulated by scholars of Islam. Not any Tom, Jones and Harry who read translation of the Quran and hadeeth.

These are scholars of Quran and all the sciences of fiqh.

Thank you for sharing your choice. Let the others practice theirs.
 
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Takumi said:
Please give the muslims some credit.
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Should I give credit to those who r helping to spread fitna? I understand there is a difference in opinion among the scholars regarding music. But many of these artists are spreading fitna.

Takumi said:
I guess I have to call Zafar now and tell him that he's destined to the hell fire if he doesn't make taubah.
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Pls, bro stop making conclusion about who will go to hell and who won’t. Allah is Merciful and He will reward us for our actions according to His perfect Justice.

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Shana524 said:
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Should I give credit to those who r helping to spread fitna? I understand there is a difference in opinion among the scholars regarding music. But many of these artists are spreading fitna.



Pls, bro stop making conclusion about who will go to hell and who won’t. Allah is Merciful and He will reward us for our actions according to His perfect Justice.

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I'm not. By telling other people here in the forum that their music is HARAAM, means that if Zafar and his brother do not make taubah RIGHT NOW, and while driving from work, god forbids he gets in an accident and dies, he has a one way ticket to the hell fire. Because he's still making music. Not only that, 786 is a fitnah spreader right, so if all those people who die while believing that their music is okay, while it's in fact HARAAM, imagine the punishment that he's gonna get. Wow...

And of course, there are a lot of activities in the hell fire.

That's what HARAAM means.

The burden of proof is on you to prove me wrong. Because, as far as I know, the word HARAAM carries that implication.

If they are committing HARAAM knowingly (since many of us have probably written to them and advised them) and they die, they will be punished right?


I'm not destining them to the hell fire, that's what the definition of HARAAM is.

If we have the audacity to spread the fatwa, we should have the guts to swallow its implication. If not, stop spreading fatwa and research our topic carefully.

(Disclaimer: this post is not intended to insult anyone nor has it been taken personally. Any ill feelings must be handled by the readers' psyche. In short, read, take a deep breath and ask: Why am I upset now? is it because i feel threatened because someone does not agree with me or Allah's boundaries has been crossed)
 
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I'm not. By telling other people here in the forum that their music is HARAAM, means that if Zafar and his brother do not make taubah RIGHT NOW, and while driving from work, god forbids he gets in an accident and dies, he has a one way ticket to the hell fire. Because he's still making music. Not only that, 786 is a fitnah spreader right, so if all those people who die while believing that their music is okay, while it's in fact HARAAM, imagine the punishment that he's gonna get. Wow...

And of course, there are a lot of activities in the hell fire.

nd ask: Why am I upset now? is it because i feel threatened because sThat's what HARAAM means.

The burden of proof is on you to prove me wrong. Because, as far as I know, the word HARAAM carries that implication.

If they are committing HARAAM knowingly (since many of us have probably written to them and advised them) and they die, they will be punished right?


I'm not destining them to the hell fire, that's what the definition of HARAAM is.

If we have the audacity to spread the fatwa, we should have the guts to swallow its implication. If not, stop spreading fatwa and research our topic carefully.

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Ur absolutely rite brother, alhamdulilah a very good explanation!! I feel as if i made confliction between brothers and sisters here! Am just trying to see hw people feel about this topic and we as a ummah can solve the matter!! Before it gets too late!!

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Nasheeds!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Salam Alaikum,
there is a dispute among people that nasheeds are bad but i personally tink that it is alright
want to hear others opinions
 
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alam7i said:
Salam Alaikum,
there is a dispute among people that nasheeds are bad but i personally tink that it is alright
want to hear others opinions
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funny i created a similar thread to this!!! but i personally think nasheeds are xcelent, way of increasing ur knowledge on islam, and understanding certain staff!! I have been hearing it for last 4 years, am loving it!!! Its a replacement of bollywood/hollywood songs!! But now i fear it, as they are including music. Which i feel that is haaram. Only the beauty of the voice and the drums are allowed in islam!!!
Whats with the music????? But other than that, i love the lyrics as it about islam, brings you closer to Allah(swt), sometime i get emotional hearing the nasheeds as it reminds me alot of aspect in life!!

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It depends. I feel the nasheeds today dont do any good. They are full of music which is not allowed. Plus look at the people that sing it. Its just for money. I'm not saying you cant listen to it, just how i feel.
 
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Without being a party pooper...theres been loads of threads like this and they all end up wth heated debates about whether or not it's halal and ususally are quite counter-productive.
 
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sori to be so serious guys, but the nasheeds with music in them today are not allowed, because music according to the salaf is completely haram, through evidence from the prophet(pbuh). Ibn Hamz is the only scholar of the salaf who allows it however Ibn taymmaih, iman nawahi, ibn al-qayyam and many others say that his opinion is very weak. however i am a very big fan of nasheeds with out any music or just the drum because their narrations which allow this and even reccomend it in certain cases. it allows us to get away from the filth of western music and bollywood. however just remember nothing can beat the the words of Allah...(listen to Ibrarhm-al jibreen) if any one wants evidence just let me know, the only reason why i didnt post it is coz it needs long explanation