[Balthasar21]

Chapters and Verse please.

 

[Woodrow]

Chapters and Verse please.

Perhaps you do have a question in here someplace. I have approved this so that you may explain what it is you mean and are asking.

I have not seen, heard or read anything that would indicate that Abraham(PBUH) is the Imam for all Muslims. I do not consider him to be any more or any less than any of the Prophets(PBUT).

Perhaps, you need to clarify your post and let us know what it is you are looking for?

 

[Balthasar21]

Some Muslims will say '' Yes '' some will say '' No '' .

The Qur'an 2 ; 124 ( In Part Arabic ) Revealed in Medina 624 - 626 A.D. ) .
And remember that Abraham was tried by his lord with certian commands , Which he fulfilled ; He said ; I will man thee an Imam to the nations .. < The Holy Qur'an , 'Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali , McGregor & Werner , 1946 A.D. >

This is a part of The Qur'an '' Some '' [ Avoid ] talking about because they do not want to take on the responsibilities of living the ( Religion of Abraham ) . This is what the Qur'an says about those who reject the ( Religion of Abraham ) .

The Qur'an 2 ; 130 ( In Arabic ) Revealed in Medina 624 - 626 A.D. )
And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly ? Him will be in the hereafter in the ranks of the righteous . < The Holy Qur'an , 'Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali , McGregor & Werner , 1946 A.D. >

So according to the Quraan , Are Muslims going to hell if they reject the religion of Abraham .

 

[noodles]

First let me ask you what exactly is your definition of an Imam?

 

[Woodrow]

Some Muslims will say '' Yes '' some will say '' No '' .

The Qur'an 2 ; 124 ( In Part Arabic ) Revealed in Medina 624 - 626 A.D. ) .
And remember that Abraham was tried by his lord with certian commands , Which he fulfilled ; He said ; I will man thee an Imam to the nations .. < The Holy Qur'an , 'Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali , McGregor & Werner , 1946 A.D. >

This is a part of The Qur'an '' Some '' [ Avoid ] talking about because they do not want to take on the responsibilities of living the ( Religion of Abraham ) . This is what the Qur'an says about those who reject the ( Religion of Abraham ) .

The Qur'an 2 ; 130 ( In Arabic ) Revealed in Medina 624 - 626 A.D. )
And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly ? Him will be in the hereafter in the ranks of the righteous . < The Holy Qur'an , 'Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali , McGregor & Werner , 1946 A.D. >

So according to the Quraan , Are Muslims going to hell if they reject the religion of Abraham .

I guess you don't understand that the religion of Abraham(PBUH) and all of the Prophets(PBUT) is Islam. Adam(PBUH) was the first Prophet(PBUT) and Muhammad(PBUH) was the final Prophet(PBUT) all of the Prophets(PBUT) gave the messagge of Islam.

Are Muslims going to hell if they reject the religion of Abraham(PBUH)?

They would be rejecting Islam so I would say they are heading for hell.

It sounds like you may not know what is meant by an Imam.

 

[- Qatada -]

Imaam just means leader, and yeah we follow the religion of Prophet Abraham/Ibrahim (peace be upon him.) The people after him distorted it, so Muhammad (peace be upon him) brought them back to it again when Allaah revealed the Qur'an and Wisdom to him.


Allaah says in the Qur'an:

Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.

Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.


[Qur'an 3: 67-8]



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And Allaah knows best.

 

[MustafaMc]

I guess you don't understand that the religion of Abraham(PBUH) and all of the Prophets(PBUT) is Islam. Adam(PBUH) was the first Prophet(PBUT) and Muhammad(PBUH) was the final Prophet(PBUT) all of the Prophets(PBUT) gave the messagge of Islam.
They would be rejecting Islam so I would say they are heading for hell.

It sounds like you may not know what is meant by an Imam.

Yes, this is an example of picking a verse out of context to try to prove one's errant point. The verses before and after this clearly show that the religion of Ibrahim (pbuh) was Islam.

 

[Joe98]

The verses before and after this clearly show that the religion of Ibrahim was Islam.

Is it nescessary to be a muslim to practice Islam?

 

[Woodrow]

Is it nescessary to be a muslim to practice Islam?

By definition a Muslim is a person who Practices Islam.

Islam is a verb and roughly means "To submit to God(swt)" Muslim is the noun meaning "a person who performs Islam". ie a person who submits to God(swt)

 

[noodles]

Don't forget, the person must submit to god *and* believe that Muhammad was the last messenger :X

(Just thought that it should be noted)

 

[Woodrow]

Don't forget, the person must submit to god *and* believe that Muhammad was the last messenger :X

(Just thought that it should be noted)

Correct, to truly submit to Allah(swt) we do need to follow the five Pillars and that is one of them.

The very minimal we must do to submit to Allah(swt) is to follow the 5 Pillars.


Shahada

(affirmation)
The duty to recite the creed:
"There is nothing worthy of worship save Allah,
and Muhammad is the Messenger of God"



Salat

(prayer)
The duty to worship the One God
in prayer five times each day



Zakat

(almsgiving)
The duty to give away alms and to help the needy



Siyam

(fasting)
The duty to keep the Fast of Ramadan



Hajj

(pilgrimage)
The duty to make the pilgrimage to Mecca
at least once in a lifetime

 

[Joe98]

Don't forget, the person must submit to god *and* believe that Muhammad was the last messenger

(Just thought that it should be noted)

And therefore we can conclude Abraham was a Muslim!

Or am I missing something?

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[Woodrow]

And therefore we can conclude Abraham was a Muslim!

Or am I missing something?

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Possibly the simple thing is that was before Muhammad(PBUH) and if People world wide had followed the Message that was given to Ibrahim(PBUH) there would have been no need for further Prophets(PBUT) as Ibrahim would have been the final messenger.

There were Muslims ever since Adam(PBUH) the problem is people never followed and or corrupted the Message so other Messengers were sent.

Muhammad(PBUH) is the Prophet(PBUH) for all of the world of today and is the final Prophet(PBUH) During the time of Ibrahim(PBUH) Ibrahim(PBUH) was the last but not the final.

My wording is not exactly what I mean, but perhaps it is understandable Astagfirullah.

 

[Balthasar21]

Imaam just means leader, and yeah we follow the religion of Prophet Abraham/Ibrahim (peace be upon him.) The people after him distorted it, so Muhammad (peace be upon him) brought them back to it again when Allaah revealed the Qur'an and Wisdom to him.


Allaah says in the Qur'an:

Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.

Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.


[Qur'an 3: 67-8]



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And Allaah knows best.

Very good answer , But the question had nothing to do with the prophet Muhamad . One could think Some Muslims worship Muhammad like the christians worship Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ .

 

[Woodrow]

Very good answer , But the question had nothing to do with the prophet Muhamad . One could think Some Muslims worship Muhammad like the christians worship Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ .

There are some Christians that do believe that. However, that only means they do not understand.

 

[Balthasar21]

Another question ;

Were the 12 men who followed the messiah Jesus his apostles instead of diciples ?

Chapter & Verses please .

 

[noodles]

Possibly the simple thing is that was before Muhammad(PBUH) and if People world wide had followed the Message that was given to Ibrahim(PBUH) there would have been no need for further Prophets(PBUT) as Ibrahim would have been the final messenger.

There were Muslims ever since Adam(PBUH) the problem is people never followed and or corrupted the Message so other Messengers were sent.

Muhammad(PBUH) is the Prophet(PBUH) for all of the world of today and is the final Prophet(PBUH) During the time of Ibrahim(PBUH) Ibrahim(PBUH) was the last but not the final.

My wording is not exactly what I mean, but perhaps it is understandable Astagfirullah.

To expand on that, I'll add that there were a total of about 124 000 Prophets, and each one was sent to a different nation to guide the people to the straight path. You should note that we believe that each was a Muslim.

However, there is a difference, these messengers were sent to nations to guide people to believe in one God, and 'at that time' anyone who adhered to the law of these messengers were on the straight path and were called Muslims.

As a result, the definition of a Muslim was belief in One God and whoever was the messenger was his prophet.

When Muhammad (saws) became a prophet, he was to be a messenger to Mankind and not for a single nation. Thus, the definition of a Muslim changed and now was: Belief in one God and Muhammad as the "last" prophet.

(Fellow brothers and sisters, do correct me if I'm wrong.)

 

[Balthasar21]

There are some Christians that do believe that. However, that only means they do not understand.

Question ; If I May .
Are we trying find away to closed the post , Because the Questions has nothing to do would Muhammad , But you should know by now I never make claim as you say , I can't back up .

 

[Woodrow]

Another question ;

Were the 12 men who followed the messiah Jesus his apostles instead of diciples ?

Chapter & Verses please .

Odd question? Why should there be anything about that in the Qur'an? I don't believe they are mentioned any place in the Qur'an.

I doubt you will find many Christians who believe the Qur'an.

 

[Sami Zaatari]

Abraham was made as an imam to nation before, however so that time has passed, there is a hadith that shows when the prophet went to jerusalem and prayed, he was the imam of the prayer between him and ALL the prophets.