[Mr.President]

This is my opinion feel free to correct me if I'm wrong BTW long time no c

It's ISIS,Dawla, daish at the time this started I really thought they were a good group I mean the talk bagdadi gave in Mosul was really good

So I liked them also defended them in cpl of places on twitter but I din not take their side as I was telling my self how do I know that this group is okay .....

Then after sometimes the burning of jordan pilot and some others I was sceptical about these guys

I was leaning towarda finding out what they stood for and recently went to an islamic talk regarding the present situation in Syria and middleast

These are the points the speaker gave
1. In Syria many groups started to topple azad
FSA, jabha Al nusra, ISIS
2. How ISIS become popular was an incident happened in Iraq a prosion broken and many former sadams guys joined this
3. The problem with isis is that it fights with asad but same time it also figts with FSA JN
4. They release Indian nurse but kill muslims
5. Killing of jordan pilot
6. Bombing in Saudi

Wait a minute this is opposite to Islam init I mean they kill whoever doesn't take bagdadi as their leader
If I was there they probably will kill me lol hew

So the worst thing that has ever happen to Syria is ISIS cuz of this group Muslims are finding it difficult to topple asad

Another hadeeths he mentioned was that prhpet muhamemd sal said to sahaba if they compare I mean the companions compre their deeds to this groups deeds these Kharijit groups will come on top

It's clear that isis is misleading youth by manipulating their feelings and trying to recruit its in the hadeeths that fighting these guys are a good thing

BTW I also thing that in Islam more president should be given to thowheed not for an islamic government
I really have a big disagreement with some of the brothers who are ihkwans

 

[strivingobserver98]

Yes that's one of the worst things they do, which is manipulating young people. It's very dangerous how they recruit young vulnerable people from social media so easily. Similar to how a extremist organisation "Britain first" also uses social media strategy by creating viral stunt videos.

Good to see you looked into it more and changed your approach. By the way what do you mean by "More president to tawheed"?

 

[fhmn63]

You are right.I recently read a book,"Refuting ISIS",It explain things very well how ISIS is manipulating youg minds and why everyone should refute ISIS.
If you would like the book review of this book,I guess you can open it in browser and read i :-islamhashtag.com/refuting-isis-book-review/
zazak allah khairan

 

[Abz2000]

question that arises is, how should you establish a place where people can live under the guidance of Allah and establish His Laws, where your children aren't forced to walk past idols or pictures of degraded women in lingerie on their way to school?

if isis is a blackwater front, isn't it wrong to fall into the trap of rejecting khilafah? Wouldn't that be accepting the head of falsehood in order to reject a single claw which is using your complete reflection as it's face? striking the water with a pickaxe and obliviously striking your foot as the water gives way? straining at a gnat whilst swallowing a camel whole?

the fitnah of dajjal is no walk in the park.
america's government forced teens into war in vietnam and so does israel, the messenger of Allah (pbuh) also allowed youth to fight and was also accused of brainwashing the youth and turning them against their parents so those arguments don't carry much weight.
the jordanian pilot would have done good to think before burning whole Muslim families to death with no valid justification from a mile high.

we would have been in a position to argue if we had legitimate khilafah established and isis was trying to degrade it, or if we have a genuine khilafah upon the path of prophethood in the pipeline.
any ideas?

In the name of Allah, the Lord of the boy sounds better than in the name of falsehood and kufr.
(acknowledge him, O son of man )
how long and how much will they spend before Allah makes His cause victorious and it becomes a source of sighs and regrets for the kuffar? at least the Muslims will have an established system in place. all that's needed is a change of heart.
wa makaroo wa makar Allah, wa Allahu khair al maakireen
wa ma kafara sulaimaan, walaakinna asshayaatueena kafaroo.

appears betwwen iraq and shaam,
oh servants of Allah! adhere to Allah!

 

[Logikon]

question that arises is, how should you establish a place where people can live under .........

It took the West 200 years to get the freedom and democracy we have today. It was done with lots of people standing on soap boxes and giving their ideas. The best ideas were adopted.

You need to do the same. However the West is less religious than ever. Any belief in god is disappearing.

So your speeches and ideas must exclude any reference to any god. If Islam is great without any god then you have to explain it to us.
.

 

[Abz2000]

It took the West 200 years to get the freedom and democracy we have today. It was done with lots of people standing on soap boxes and giving their ideas. The best ideas were adopted.

You need to do the same. However the West is less religious than ever. Any belief in god is disappearing.

So your speeches and ideas must exclude any reference to any god. If Islam is great without any god then you have to explain it to us.
.

you don't have freedom other wise you wouldn't have politicians making laws for you, and you don't have democracy otherwise corporations wouldn't be putting politicians up for you to choose between in the first place.

back to topic.

Inside the Indian village where a mob killed a man for eating beef

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-village-where-mob-killed-man-for-eating-beef

beef is halal if healthy and slaughtered in Allah's name.

we need people who believe in Allah and the last day and we need Islamic government (khilafah).
don't let them close the chapter of khilafah or you'll suffer more. Rather, improve on it even if they opened it in order to cause confusion in order to permanently close it.
if they manage to close that door, all governments will fall to the bankers' new world order since there's no definition or foundation to anything else.

http://rangpurbazar.blogspot.com/2011/02/hazrat-shah-jalal-history.html?m=1

The only way abu bakr al baghdadi can hold legitimacy is by upholding the laws of Allah, let him hold legitimacy by upholding the laws of Allah, can that be said for any other system?

 

[Mr.President]

By the way what do you mean by "More president to tawheed"?

from a neutral point of view, {PLEASE CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG}

There are many groups and Org's that do Da'wa in them ie, Ikwan al Muslim, Hisb At Thabreer, Asia Jamaat e Islami, Dar Al Arkam...... these org their main goal is to create or try to create an environment where muslims can live without involving in usury, Degrading of women, zina and corruption less, non familiy oriented proper governance etc...

if an environment is created like that then practicing Islam would become easy init .... therefore these organizations their primary objective is to create that environment by not taking arms I mean in a peaceful way, the idea is pan-islamism

Pan-Islamism (Arabic: الوحدة الإسلامية‎) is a political movement advocating the unity of Muslims under one Islamic state – often a Caliphate – or an international organization similar to a European Union with Islamic principles.

The Brotherhood's stated goal is to instill the Qur'an and Sunnah as the "sole reference point for ... ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community ... and state."[SUP][12][/SUP] Its mottos include "Believers are but Brothers", "Islam is the Solution", and "Allah is our objective; the Qur'an is the Constitution; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; death for the sake of Allah is our wish."

-wiki-

these guys still do reform work calling muslims to pray and to study islam but their main goal is establishing a an islamic state in a peaceful way

then in the speech..... Back then The problem with this approach is that they claimed serving human laws is jahilliya that means if I adhere to the law of GB I am following a false perception I am not following Allahs Law this is a great crime cuz of this idea you can see that in times of egyptian ruler nasar, ikwans were greatly punished Imaam Hasan al banna to Shika Zainab al gazzali[read a book regarding her]

NEXT

The other group which is salafi, wahabi and hanbalis they had a problem with this approach the problem is fundamental these groups they said Allahs law should be implemented but its not the primary goal the primary goal is Thowheed , oneness of god and discussing debating about worship their idea is regardless of the ruler the most important aspect is pure islam how was islam followed in the day f the prophet

"a fundamentalist approach to Islam, emulating the ProphetMuhammad and his earliest followers—al-salaf al-salih, the 'pious forefathers'...They reject religious innovation, or bida, and support the implementation of sharia (Islamic law)."[SUP][1][/SUP] The movement is often divided into three categories: the largest group are the purists (or quietists), who avoid politics; the second largest group are the activists, who get involved in politics; the smallest group are the jihadists, who form a tiny (yet infamous) minority.[SUP][1][/SUP]

These guys they are largely purist they do not have any problem with a ruler thats y Saudi Arabia is under wahabi salafi and hanbali they do not revolt or think that following a country's law is jahiiliya they also welcome an islamic state but its not their primary goal its worship

btw I missed one more point that the former group they chive unity under the banner of islam as long as u r muslim u r okay sufi, deoband... factions doesnt matter follow any madhab theres very less thought given to fiqh and aqeeda discussions as they tend to end up in fights in dividing groups

the later they said its okay to have two opinions if the two opinions are formed from quran and not by blind following these guys they debate..... alot in internet forums to TV etc theres endless debate thier concept unity is through following correct belifs they ofen quote hadeeth and quran for all thier actions

Even though the later is a bit messed up I mean all those fights and stuff I am more inclined towards the lator group and the speaker was of that gorup :/


--
ur question
fundamental approach of islam is what I meant by thowheed giving more priority to the oneness of god and worship

 

[greenhill]

the fitnah of dajjal is no walk in the park [MENTION=30946]Abz2000[/MENTION]

What else to say? I like

eace:

 

[Abz2000]

do you believe it's possible to live as a complete Muslim under a government of kufr?
how do you think daily affairs will be conducted and what kind of judgement would be enforced upon you?
recall how the people at red mosque in pakistan implemented the laws of Allah after various pleas to the pakistan government, recall how it was seen as a questioning of (corrupt) authority and falsely portrayed as a crime to enforce genuine laws of Allah, recall the events which followed.

not sure if you understand urdu but this set of videos was way more vivid than the journeyman documentary.

the remaining six parts can be found in the uploads list.

the version on wikipedia has changed dramatically over the years to the extent of going from a clear dissection of the events to an attack on crazy violent jihadis.
however, here is a description from a scholar - though he is careful to avoid censure:

https://theheartopener.wordpress.co...round-the-operation-itself-and-the-aftermath/

 

[Abdul Emwazi]

I agree brother Abz is correct.

 

[Mr.President]

do you believe it's possible to live as a complete Muslim under a government of kufr?
how do you think daily affairs will be conducted and what kind of judgement would be enforced upon you?
recall how the people at red mosque in pakistan implemented the laws of Allah after various pleas to the pakistan government, recall how it was seen as a questioning of (corrupt) authority and falsely portrayed as a crime to enforce genuine laws of Allah, recall the events which followed.

not sure if you understand urdu but this set of videos was way more vivid than the journeyman documentary.

the remaining six parts can be found in the uploads list.

the version on wikipedia has changed dramatically over the years to the extent of going from a clear dissection of the events to an attack on crazy violent jihadis.
however, here is a description from a scholar - though he is careful to avoid censure:

https://theheartopener.wordpress.co...round-the-operation-itself-and-the-aftermath/

I am failing to understand your point are you saying our first priority is to establish an islamic government ?

Sorry Urdu nahi speaking [emoji28]

PS - added the red masjid article to my reading list

 

[Abz2000]

I am failing to understand your point are you saying our first priority is to establish an islamic government ?

Sorry Urdu nahi speaking [emoji28]

PS - added the red masjid article to my reading list

the spirit, the flesh, the word, the sword, the food, the work, the prayer, the family, and the community work together in a molding process when creating a complete Muslim personality.
compartmentalization and separation creates a void which in turn creates breakdown.
if you're earning on the one hand and your earnings are being stolen on the other, you'll either lose your mind or work to fix the problem of theft.
the guidance of Allah is a prescription of well-being and harmony.

O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah.
As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah."
Said the disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!"
then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved:
But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.
Quran 61:14

consider in this situation the fact that Allah confirmed the statements of the disciples over the statement of Jesus,
the possibility of any shirk was removed (the situation was made conducive to such inclination by the Roman and Jewish leaders lol), Jesus was treated as there and not there and then extracted once that part of the task was complete,
but the believers prevailed when they worked together to establish Allah's way, this consisted of inviting and guiding others to Allah's way, and it also later included absorbing and wielding the roman establishment.

when governments unlawfully legalize nudity and prostitution, begin to question whether your daughters can wear hijab or niqab, and when your scholars tell you it is incumbent upon you to desist from rebellion, you inevitably realize the fact that you need a government which establishes the laws of Allah.

 

[Mr.President]

the spirit, the flesh, the word, the sword, the food, the work, the prayer, the family, and the community work together in a molding process when creating a complete Muslim personality.
compartmentalization and separation creates a void which in turn creates breakdown.
if you're earning on the one hand and your earnings are being stolen on the other, you'll either lose your mind or work to fix the problem of theft.
the guidance of Allah is a prescription of well-being and harmony.

O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah.
As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah."
Said the disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!"
then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved:
But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.
Quran 61:14

consider in this situation the fact that Allah confirmed the statements of the disciples over the statement of Jesus,
the possibility of any shirk was removed (the situation was made conducive to such inclination by the Roman and Jewish leaders lol), Jesus was treated as there and not there and then extracted once that part of the task was complete,
but the believers prevailed when they worked together to establish Allah's way, this consisted of inviting and guiding others to Allah's way, and it also later included absorbing and wielding the roman establishment.

when governments unlawfully legalize nudity and prostitution, begin to question whether your daughters can wear hijab or niqab, and when your scholars tell you it is incumbent upon you to desist from rebellion, you inevitably realize the fact that you need a government which establishes the laws of Allah.

I understood some part of what you said but one question how are we going to work towards a Islamic government when we are a factions sufi salafi ikwan wahabi shafi hanafi hanbali ....... ?

 

[Abdul Emwazi]

I understand what you are saying. But what faction would ISIS as a whole fall under?

 

[Mr.President]

I understand what you are saying. But what faction would ISIS as a whole fall under?

At this moment they fall under Kharijits

 

[Abdul Emwazi]

Here in the west we hear only what the government wishes for us to hear.

 

[Abdul Emwazi]

As I am relatively new to Islam, isn't Kharijits and wahabi the same thing?

 

[Mr.President]

As I am relatively new to Islam, isn't Kharijits and wahabi the same thing?

No they are not Kharijits are extreme ie ISIS

 

[Abdul Emwazi]

I see. Idk what I would fall under. Is there a good way to find out? That's a big question that I have been wondering.

 

[Mr.President]

I see. Idk what I would fall under. Is there a good way to find out? That's a big question that I have been wondering.

The best thing you could do is to refrain from sect related topics for now and learn Islam acquire knowledge

Aqueeda related knowledge
Once you done that then islamic history
And then you will understand that the only group that you belong to is Muslim who follows Al Quran and Sunnah