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okay. you know how in Islam there is some science in it like how the mountains were formed or how are bodies are made up of different cells ..or the way how are bodies are made up.
Do you think that science--more specifically biology holds the same theories as inscribed in the quran? Or do you think science and islam differ in some ways?
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i think that islam makes science look good
like science always produces theories, and theries r jus thins that scientists thin happend, they aint proven, but the Quran mashallah, wherever it mentions somethin it has always been proved right, lemme give a example in surah Rahman it says
"he has set two seas flowin that meet, and there is a barrier upon them so they cant cross each other"
and science has proved that seas do meet, but dont cross over each ova
and again in surah rahman it says
"pearls and corals come from the sea"
which is true, and these words were said to RasoolAllah (saw) so so so long ago, mashallah and sciencists jus came up with thins now
like what you got remem all d source of knowelgde is from the Quran, like it came 1st, then all dis science n maths n bla bla came nex, so the stuff said in quran is 100% accurate, n science has theories, so i wud say NO they arent the same, but science has proved some of the stuff, and then i would say yes lol, im confused
i think that islam makes science look good
like science always produces theories, and theries r jus thins that scientists thin happend, they aint proven, but the Quran mashallah, wherever it mentions somethin it has always been proved right, lemme give a example in surah Rahman it says
"he has set two seas flowin that meet, and there is a barrier upon them so they cant cross each other"
and science has proved that seas do meet, but dont cross over each ova
and again in surah rahman it says
"pearls and corals come from the sea"
which is true, and these words were said to RasoolAllah (saw) so so so long ago, mashallah and sciencists jus came up with thins now
like what you got remem all d source of knowelgde is from the Quran, like it came 1st, then all dis science n maths n bla bla came nex, so the stuff said in quran is 100% accurate, n science has theories, so i wud say NO they arent the same, but science has proved some of the stuff, and then i would say yes lol, im confused
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I recommend the videos by Zakir Naik if you wish to see the link between Islam and science.
I will post the links under request, if you wihs to see the video for free.
I will post the links under request, if you wihs to see the video for free.
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Excellent list of videos related to science by Zakir Naik:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Zakir+Naik+Science
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Zakir+Naik+Science
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quran seems to approve alot of what science has to say about stuff... which is a miracle in itself considering alot of what Allah says was impossible to discover with the resources back then.. which isn't a surprise because it's Allah who revealed it.
all i can say is... we shouldn't put the Quran on trial in a science court, rather we judge science based on what the Quran has to say. Science evolves and changes over time.. the Quran doesn't. so that's an important fundamental theorem lol.
e.g. we accept the law of conservation of energy because Allah says that we can't create or destroy anything no much how much we try... but we shouldn't approve of what Allah says becasue science comes along 1400 years later and decides to agree...
similarly emperics many years ago seemed to show that the idea of water undercurrents is nonsense (especially to bedoins in the desert), and so was the idea of the sun heading to a point in space and many other things that science only agreed to many many years later... if quran was to be judged on science, the sahabah wouldn't have become Muslims becasue quite simply, they barely understood what Allah exactly meant when he revealed some of those verses (e.g. the verses about relativitistic motion of mountains)
salamz
all i can say is... we shouldn't put the Quran on trial in a science court, rather we judge science based on what the Quran has to say. Science evolves and changes over time.. the Quran doesn't. so that's an important fundamental theorem lol.
e.g. we accept the law of conservation of energy because Allah says that we can't create or destroy anything no much how much we try... but we shouldn't approve of what Allah says becasue science comes along 1400 years later and decides to agree...
similarly emperics many years ago seemed to show that the idea of water undercurrents is nonsense (especially to bedoins in the desert), and so was the idea of the sun heading to a point in space and many other things that science only agreed to many many years later... if quran was to be judged on science, the sahabah wouldn't have become Muslims becasue quite simply, they barely understood what Allah exactly meant when he revealed some of those verses (e.g. the verses about relativitistic motion of mountains)
salamz
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Sciencists and Islam only disagree on one matter, the origin of man.
Islam doesn't disagree with evolution (regardless of what some ignorant non-scholars like 'Harun Yahya' say), it simply rejects that humans are an evolved species.
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Re: When friends lose faith ...
lol naturally, they disbelieve in God and we believe, cant expect cat and dog to get along but honestly islaam gets along with science (believe it or not) and critical thinking is good because islaam is very logical. Its really long but you can quite easily see many proofs in
www.islamcan.com
if i had you in real life i would have told you myself sir
lol naturally, they disbelieve in God and we believe, cant expect cat and dog to get along but honestly islaam gets along with science (believe it or not) and critical thinking is good because islaam is very logical. Its really long but you can quite easily see many proofs in
www.islamcan.com
if i had you in real life i would have told you myself sir
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Re: When friends lose faith ...
I hope this is an upward trend.
Islam * WAS * the centre of learning during Europe's Christian Dark Ages.
Muslims were discovering pretty much everything during that time, as Christians were turning against science and killing heretics (scientists). There's a reason why we use "arabic" numerals today and why Algebra has that name, and why numerous star clusters have islamic names.
Unfortunately Islam fell into a similar funk that Christianity fell into during its dark ages. It became in religious fashion to oppose science and discovery and stick strictly to dogma. And then for a long time not only did Islamic discoveries slow down, they pretty much ground to a halt.
Christianity managed to fight back agaisnt the dogma that kept science down for the centuries of its dark ages. I hope Islam will do / is doing the same.
I hope this is an upward trend.
Islam * WAS * the centre of learning during Europe's Christian Dark Ages.
Muslims were discovering pretty much everything during that time, as Christians were turning against science and killing heretics (scientists). There's a reason why we use "arabic" numerals today and why Algebra has that name, and why numerous star clusters have islamic names.
Unfortunately Islam fell into a similar funk that Christianity fell into during its dark ages. It became in religious fashion to oppose science and discovery and stick strictly to dogma. And then for a long time not only did Islamic discoveries slow down, they pretty much ground to a halt.
Christianity managed to fight back agaisnt the dogma that kept science down for the centuries of its dark ages. I hope Islam will do / is doing the same.
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lol what? i just meant that the science in the Quraan only gets vefiried by scientists as the years go past. It doesnt matter much to me what is discovered cause its all created by our lord
lol what? i just meant that the science in the Quraan only gets vefiried by scientists as the years go past. It doesnt matter much to me what is discovered cause its all created by our lord
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Re: When friends lose faith ...
That link was funny. But theres no proof there at all.
Looking at birds fly and saying "Allah keeps them in the air" IS NOT proof. What keeps them flying? Millions of years of evolution that has sculpted an aerodynamic light weight body structure with a great amount of surface area.
Allah may very well have created the air and the feathers and the complex cellular respiration systems within the bird. But its not proof.
That link was funny. But theres no proof there at all.
Looking at birds fly and saying "Allah keeps them in the air" IS NOT proof. What keeps them flying? Millions of years of evolution that has sculpted an aerodynamic light weight body structure with a great amount of surface area.
Allah may very well have created the air and the feathers and the complex cellular respiration systems within the bird. But its not proof.
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Re: When friends lose faith ...
:salamext:
ye i would have replied but this aint the thread
as if something as complicated as aerodynamics can just be prevalent without anyone to control it. :hiding:
btw i see you picked the one which talks about common sense and contemplation but wat about he proof of the feotus or the atmosphere or the shape of the world or the moon reflectin light etc etc etc which have hardcore proof
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ye i would have replied but this aint the thread
as if something as complicated as aerodynamics can just be prevalent without anyone to control it. :hiding:
btw i see you picked the one which talks about common sense and contemplation but wat about he proof of the feotus or the atmosphere or the shape of the world or the moon reflectin light etc etc etc which have hardcore proof
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Re: When friends lose faith ...
I was replying to a link someone posted. Sorry.
I was replying to a link someone posted. Sorry.
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Re: When friends lose faith ...
I read the "proof of Allah in our solar system" and that didn't convince me either.
First of all, they offer no proof for any of the claims they make, no explanations or citations. Critical thinkers would not just believe whatever is shown to them (guess thats why we're not religious) JK!
And OF COURSE the conditions we live in are perfectly suited for us. WE EVOLVED IN THEM! Muslims believe in evolution right? Surely you can see the difference between evolving to your environment and having it made for you.
And none of that is proof for a god. Because you can only prove what can be disproved. And god cannot be disproved therefore there is no proof!
I read the "proof of Allah in our solar system" and that didn't convince me either.
First of all, they offer no proof for any of the claims they make, no explanations or citations. Critical thinkers would not just believe whatever is shown to them (guess thats why we're not religious) JK!
And OF COURSE the conditions we live in are perfectly suited for us. WE EVOLVED IN THEM! Muslims believe in evolution right? Surely you can see the difference between evolving to your environment and having it made for you.
And none of that is proof for a god. Because you can only prove what can be disproved. And god cannot be disproved therefore there is no proof!
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No, the first human was created by God, his name was Adam, I'm sure you are familiar with the story. He was sent to earth as an adult. No room for evolution.
Call it what you want but you can not deny that there are signs for people who think.
No, the first human was created by God, his name was Adam, I'm sure you are familiar with the story. He was sent to earth as an adult. No room for evolution.
Call it what you want but you can not deny that there are signs for people who think.
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btw dirk, recent discoveries lead to a new theory that all mankind came from a single pair, did you know that, but its still a theory (soon to be a fact inshaAllah) to prove that we did indeed come from Adham and Hawaa (peace be upon them).
Peace
btw dirk, recent discoveries lead to a new theory that all mankind came from a single pair, did you know that, but its still a theory (soon to be a fact inshaAllah) to prove that we did indeed come from Adham and Hawaa (peace be upon them).
Peace
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Wah?! What happened to the monkeys?
Can you give a link or something for more info?
Wah?! What happened to the monkeys?
Can you give a link or something for more info?