Islam and West: Conflict or cohesion?

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Muslims must follow the rules of Islam.

As a result, many Muslims living in the West, don't socialise with their Western neighbors.

Then they feel isolated from the community and blame it on the West.

This ultimately is the reason we are not compatible.

How long have u been here? and u know nuthing it seems...

Muslims can be a part of plenty of social activities as long as its within the boundaries of Islam. So to say we don't socialize is kinda dumb...
Those who dont do much, aren't taking advantage of this.
In Islam, for Muslims, education is a must, a duty for every man and women.

 

[KAding]

30% of americans interviewd believe that Muslims should have some tags to identify them as Muslims

Do you have a source for that? It is completely outragous.

 

[جوري]

yes it was a CAIR survey out a few months ago... that is not stating every American wants that... just out of the pool they surveyed 30% wanted tags to identify people as Muslims...I'll try to find the S... if not you may want to contact CAIR and have them send you that report...

 

[KAding]

yes it was a CAIR survey out a few months ago... that is not stating every American wants that... just out of the pool they surveyed 30% wanted tags to identify people as Muslims...I'll try to find the S... if not you may want to contact CAIR and have them send you that report...

I couldn't find anything about it on their website, although they seem to have all their surveys there . Oh well, never mind. It isn't that important.

 

[جوري]

I couldn't find anything about it on their website, although they seem to have all their surveys there . Oh well, never mind. It isn't that important.

you can contact them at
[email protected]
they usually answer in a timely manner...
would you be for or against Muslims identifying themselves as Muslims? I think it is kind of hard to miss most of us? lol

 

[Joe98]

Muslims can be a part of plenty of social activities as long as its within the boundaries of Islam.

Thats what I said too!

So tell us, how can they socialise and feel isolated at the same time?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Where is there isolation? Am I isolated?

 

[Joe98]

Where is there isolation?

Muslims in the UK claim "isolation" and claim it was a factor in the terrorist attacks of July '05

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

They're isolated because they are being discriminated there. They're trying to integrate into their community, yet people are being racist and stuff. It's not because of Islam. When I said they can socialize, I meant Islam allows it, but within the boundaries of Islam.

 

[Skillganon]

Muslims in the UK claim "isolation" and claim it was a factor in the terrorist attacks of July '05

The logic follow in the west is Muslim feel isolated because they don't go to the pub and have a pint of beer, and their women don't seem to flirt enough with the punters, by first not going to those social activities. kay:

 

[Joe98]

....yet people are being racist and stuff.

You say Muslims in the UK feel isolated due to racism. But Islam is a religion, not a race. How can it be racism?

In the UK there are plenty of people of different races. How come the Chinese Brits live happily?

 

[Keltoi]

I think many Western Muslims feel helpless because they can't control world events and the radical element that is hurting the image of Islam as a whole. Since the Western world(mostly the U.S. and U.K) are in a very real war against a radical ideology calling itself Islam, there will be certain changes in policy that reflect this reality. One of those changes is the focus on people from Arab and Muslim countries. That cannot be avoided. Hopefully this terrible situation we all find ourselves in will end someday in the not so distant future, and the Muslims living in the West can move on with their daily lives without the stress and fear I'm sure many are living with at the moment.

 

[Skillganon]

I think many Western Muslims feel helpless because they can't control world events and the radical element that is hurting the image of Islam as a whole. Since the Western world(mostly the U.S. and U.K) are in a very real war against a radical ideology calling itself Islam, there will be certain changes in policy that reflect this reality. One of those changes is the focus on people from Arab and Muslim countries. That cannot be avoided. Hopefully this terrible situation we all find ourselves in will end someday in the not so distant future, and the Muslims living in the West can move on with their daily lives without the stress and fear I'm sure many are living with at the moment.

Oyeah, it is the west noble duty to invade country, physically, politically to bring about democracy, by creating a seemingly creating a percieved threat in the western mind. We are fighting radical Islam, thats why we invaded you.

What was he other excuse in History :?

To civilize the barbarians. kay:

Just a more complex crusade propaganda.

 

[Keltoi]

Oyeah, it is the west noble duty to invade country, physically, politically to bring about democracy.

What was he other excuse in History :?

To civilize the barbarians. kay:

I'm not sure what any of that had to do with the topic at hand.

 

[Skillganon]

I'm not sure what any of that had to do with the topic at hand.

Neither do I see, what the middle east has to do it. One is proposing that the seeming reluctance of muslim to socialise in western social activities, has to do with evil radical in the middle east. That our goverment is championing to eradicate.

I rather think that the western can't co-exist with the world at large, and western people (mainly non-muslim) has a problem with socialising with muslim.

 

[Keltoi]

Neither do I see, what the middle east has to do it. One is proposing that the seeming reluctance of muslim to socialise in western social activities, has to do with evil radical in the middle east. That our goverment is championing to eradicate.

To be honest, I don't really understand what you are trying to say. I will try to form a response. The Muslim experience in the West is greatly affected by the current political climate in the country they are inhabiting. The current political climate in the West is now dominated by the phenomenon of suicide terrorism and radicalism. This has obvious ramifications for how comfortable a Muslim will feel living in the West. While there isn't a war against Islam, there is a war against those who call themselves Muslims. This reality cannot be avoided.

 

[Skillganon]

To be honest, I don't really understand what you are trying to say. I will try to form a response. The Muslim experience in the West is greatly affected by the current political climate in the country they are inhabiting. The current political climate in the West is now dominated by the phenomenon of suicide terrorism and radicalism. This has obvious ramifications for how comfortable a Muslim will feel living in the West. While there isn't a war against Islam, there is a war against those who call themselves Muslims. This reality cannot be avoided.

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The muslim experience in the West is greatly affected by the current political climate in the country they are inhabiting. The current political climate in the East is now dominated by the phenomenon of constant bombing, invasion and western radicalism. This has obvious ramifications for how comfortable a Muslim will feel living in the West. While they say "their isn't a (so called) war against Islam", there is a war against the people (mainly Muslim) in the middle east. This reality cannot be avoided.

See what I mean?

We got enough radicals in the west, who sits in parliament and washington. The mass need to be herded, into stop thinking.

Muslim needs to stop feeling period, and accept the FACTS (which tends to make me scratch my head often), then they can feel more a ease.

The obviouse thing is the western public, are reluctant to accept muslim, unless they conform, and socialise to the way they are thinking.