Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

[Scottish Celt]

On Saturday I went to the football with my friend,he does not practise any religion at all(although comes from a Christian upbringing),on our way the way to the game & on the train to Glasgow we got discussing about things mostly conspiracy theories what popped up in conversation was,the usual conspiracy theories stuff,it was the flat earth this time,now we had a good discussion although my friend is 7 yrs younger & believes in what I do mostly political & conspiracy theories,he still hasnt aligned himself to a faith,once we got to outside football stadium,i met this man who had a small statue of an alien,on it was a piece of paper which mentioned things about ''flat earth'',..now anyone that knows me on this forum will know I am a new revert,from april although I have been looking into Islam,..To be honest,i am still on a learning curve with Islam,learning more & progressing more into the faith,& still scratching the surface with the Qur'an,Now why do I mention this,well what is the odds of this happening getting into such a deep discussion with my friend,then on my way I met a man interviewing people on the very same subject,hmm coincidence? Not,for me things happen for a reason!!

here is the inter view I am the man in the grey jogging suit & celtic(green/white)scarf,i hope you can undertand me LOL as Scottish accent is fast & difficult to understand,please ask if you don't understand

this is me @ 39:20mins

https://youtu.be/i28sT8jFoxU

 

[M.I.A.]

Well.. i know what im meant to say..

Flat earth is a bit far fetched.

So the first thing i did was find a gopro attched to weather balloon video.

..the curvature is easily observable.

But at points the angle of filming changes as the camera bobs up and down..

And the curvature levels out, and at points.. even reverses.


https://youtu.be/95NDkABAsSk

Edit: im told the effect is due to the use of a wide angle lens.


Im sorry to say iv been spending a lot of time with cakes.. and have forgotten my science.

I dont know "/

Well done though..you did good..

Its always nice to be able to mention your religion.

Allah swt guide you to happiness and success.

 

[Scottish Celt]

Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

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Well.. i know what im meant to say..

Flat earth is a bit far fetched.

So the first thing i did was find a gopro attched to weather balloon video.

..the curvature is easily observable.

But at points the angle of filming changes as the camera bobs up and down..

And the curvature levels out, and at points.. even reverses.


https://youtu.be/95NDkABAsSk

Im sorry to say iv been spending a lot of time with cakes.. and have forgotten my science.

I dont know "/

Well done though..you did good..

Its always nice to be able to mention your religion.

Allah swt guide you to happiness and success.

did you understand my interview ok:statisfieLOL

 

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Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

this is me @ 39:20mins

https://youtu.be/i28sT8jFoxU

ma sh'Allah, good to put a face to a name

I watched a part of this from 39:20 to around 45 min mark.

You claimed that you don't believe Time exists.

Surah al Asr is the 103rd chapter of the Qur'an and one of the shortest. In this Surah, Allah takes an tremendous oath - The surah starts with the words "W'al Asr" - an oath "By the Time"... followed by the words "inna al insaana la fi khusr" - translation: indeed mankind is in a state of loss.

By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

...Now, I know you're a new Muslim, so I want you to reflect on this and to help you bro, I will share a video I recorded and edited recently:

May Allah always guide you, ameen!

 

[Scottish Celt]

Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

ma sh'Allah, good to put a face to a name

I watched a part of this from 39:20 to around 45 min mark.

You claimed that you don't believe Time exists.

Surah al Asr is the 103rd chapter of the Qur'an and one of the shortest. In this Surah, Allah takes an tremendous oath - The surah starts with the words "W'al Asr" - an oath "By the Time"... followed by the words "inna al insaana la fi khusr" - translation: indeed mankind is in a state of loss.

By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

...Now, I know you're a new Muslim, so I want you to reflect on this and to help you bro, I will share a video I recorded and edited recently:

May Allah always guide you, ameen!

ahh Thank you,I will definetly watch this,one of the main reasons that brought me to Islam is in fact I belive in a creator,i find a lot of things I researched from science & Islam compatable,3 men helped Stephen hawkin,who is a disabled man with motor neoron disease but very intelligent in Physics & space yet believes in a ''God'' or higher being being so to speak,yet hasn't a faith,blieve it or not Russel Brand who was a into a very haram lifestyle but is clean suffered depression once just like me,so I can relate to depression,very aware of spiritualism & the mind & net up was a ahmed hulusi another intelligent man who speaks of the mind,physics & is Muslim,

 

[M.I.A.]

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did you understand my interview ok:statisfieLOL

Yes.. i am northern myself so its not bad, i often meet scottish people randomly in my line of work so its cool.

Allah swt exists outside the boundaries of time so there is much that is beyond my understanding.

..but yeah it was cool.

ma sh'Allah, good to put a face to a name

I watched a part of this from 39:20 to around 45 min mark.

You claimed that you don't believe Time exists.

Surah al Asr is the 103rd chapter of the Qur'an and one of the shortest. In this Surah, Allah takes an tremendous oath - The surah starts with the words "W'al Asr" - an oath "By the Time"... followed by the words "inna al insaana la fi khusr" - translation: indeed mankind is in a state of loss.

By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

...Now, I know you're a new Muslim, so I want you to reflect on this and to help you bro, I will share a video I recorded and edited recently:

May Allah always guide you, ameen!

Lol is that you?

...its good to know people are using media to put forward ideas and understanding.

Well done i guess.

...i have to.. get back to my cakes.

 

[Scottish Celt]

Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

ma sh'Allah, good to put a face to a name

I watched a part of this from 39:20 to around 45 min mark.

You claimed that you don't believe Time exists.

Surah al Asr is the 103rd chapter of the Qur'an and one of the shortest. In this Surah, Allah takes an tremendous oath - The surah starts with the words "W'al Asr" - an oath "By the Time"... followed by the words "inna al insaana la fi khusr" - translation: indeed mankind is in a state of loss.

By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

...Now, I know you're a new Muslim, so I want you to reflect on this and to help you bro, I will share a video I recorded and edited recently:

May Allah always guide you, ameen!

just watched your video brother,wise words,i just wish I seen this yrs ago LOL,I do know time does excist in my physical realm,right now,i can hear my living room clock ticking as I type,but time as a whole.

 

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just watched your video brother,wise words,i just wish I seen this yrs ago LOL,I do know time does excist in my physical realm,right now,i can hear my living room clock ticking as I type,but time as a whole.

Time as a whole, exists in the space time continuum we call this universe.

Take for example, the way we measure "time".

Ever since the dawn of mankind on earth, we measured time in the most primitive of ways with a stick, against the sun - by measuring the cast of the shadow.

The idea is, that time can only be measured with a source of light.

Allah says that HE is the Light of the Heavens and the Earth:

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things. (Qur'an 24:35)

So time does exist, as a whole! Now imagine, the light itself so bright that one could not imagine it - the light which is Allah, cannot be measured because it is too great for us to even glimpse for a nanosecond, it would defy our senses to even glimpse it - light like this, means only one thing!!! Infinity... the Universe is but an umbrella shielding us from this light, but when that veil is gone, on the day HE accounts all creation - the eternity will be a reality.

So yes, time, is a complex matter, which matters more in the next life where time is a constant, than this life here, where time seems to ebb and slip away from us. Which is why it is imperative that we make good use of it: By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

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Lol is that you?

No, that is brother Imran Hussein, ma sh'Allah!

But videos of me do exist... on youtube

 

[M.I.A.]

..a stick you say.

Reminded me of this really.. something against flat earth theories.


https://youtu.be/3EspZtA7C3o

 

[Scottish Celt]

Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

Time as a whole, exists in the space time continuum we call this universe.

Take for example, the way we measure "time".

Ever since the dawn of mankind on earth, we measured time in the most primitive of ways with a stick, against the sun - by measuring the cast of the shadow.

The idea is, that time can only be measured with a source of light.

Allah says that HE is the Light of the Heavens and the Earth:

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things. (Qur'an 24:35)

So time does exist, as a whole! Now imagine, the light itself so bright that one could not imagine it - the light which is Allah, cannot be measured because it is too great for us to even glimpse for a nanosecond, it would defy our senses to even glimpse it - light like this, means only one thing!!! Infinity... the Universe is but an umbrella shielding us from this light, but when that veil is gone, on the day HE accounts all creation - the eternity will be a reality.

So yes, time, is a complex matter, which matters more in the next life where time is a constant, than this life here, where time seems to ebb and slip away from us. Which is why it is imperative that we make good use of it: By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

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No, that is brother Imran Hussein, ma sh'Allah!

But videos of me do exist... on youtube

You've got me thinking deeper now but need ''time'' to reply ;D,BTW now that I know your YT video's il give them a watch,but what is your view on flat earth,to you believ we live in an horizontal egg shape flat(ish) land confined in a shell or dome & beyond that,is the heavens,or maybe aliens beinsg as the interviewer may be applying?

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Time as a whole, exists in the space time continuum we call this universe.

Take for example, the way we measure "time".

Ever since the dawn of mankind on earth, we measured time in the most primitive of ways with a stick, against the sun - by measuring the cast of the shadow.

The idea is, that time can only be measured with a source of light.

Allah says that HE is the Light of the Heavens and the Earth:

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things. (Qur'an 24:35)

So time does exist, as a whole! Now imagine, the light itself so bright that one could not imagine it - the light which is Allah, cannot be measured because it is too great for us to even glimpse for a nanosecond, it would defy our senses to even glimpse it - light like this, means only one thing!!! Infinity... the Universe is but an umbrella shielding us from this light, but when that veil is gone, on the day HE accounts all creation - the eternity will be a reality.

So yes, time, is a complex matter, which matters more in the next life where time is a constant, than this life here, where time seems to ebb and slip away from us. Which is why it is imperative that we make good use of it: By the Time, indeed mankind is in a state of loss, except those who have believed and done righteousness, and advised each other to truth, and advised each other to patience. (Qur'an, 103)

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No, that is brother Imran Hussein, ma sh'Allah!

But videos of me do exist... on youtube

You've got me thinking deeper now but need ''time'' to reply ;D,BTW now that I know your YT video's il give them a watch,but what is your view on flat earth,to you believ we live in an horizontal egg shape flat(ish) land confined in a shell or dome & beyond that,is the heavens,or maybe aliens beinsg as the interviewer may be applying?

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

..a stick you say.

Reminded me of this really.. something against flat earth theories.


https://youtu.be/3EspZtA7C3o

Prior to the death of Terry Pratchett (March 12 2015), no one gave a toss about flat earth theories. Do you know who Terry was? He was a novelist, who'd spun a yarn about a universe with flat disc like planets... this was quite lovingly titled the Discworld Saga or Series.

He died in 2015, and all his fans, had no one left to contain them. So they broke out of containment and leaked onto the web's loony bin, but that loony bin infected the weak among the internet's intellects (or lack thereof) and they bought into the idiocy. These flat earth types are not academically minded people, nor are the scientific, or mathematically stable people. They are emotional beings, who prefer to have their arguments substantiated by an appeal to bias. With reason no longer extant in their lateral core, they seem to wade and wander between bad science and ridiculed reason.

It is best to leave the flat earth donkeys where they are, they need an home too. There are hospitals for them... just not on the web!

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You've got me thinking deeper now but need ''time'' to reply ;D,BTW now that I know your YT video's il give them a watch,but what is your view on flat earth,to you believ we live in an horizontal egg shape flat(ish) land confined in a shell or dome & beyond that,is the heavens,or maybe aliens beinsg as the interviewer may be applying?

I believe the earth is a sphere.

Above, I have explained how this flat earth malarky became popular all of a sudden.

 

[Scottish Celt]

Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

Prior to the death of Terry Pratchett (March 12 2015), no one gave a toss about flat earth theories. Do you know who Terry was? He was a novelist, who'd spun a yarn about a universe with flat disc like planets... this was quite lovingly titled the Discworld Saga or Series.

He died in 2015, and all his fans, had no one left to contain them. So they broke out of containment and leaked onto the web's loony bin, but that loony bin infected the weak among the internet's intellects (or lack thereof) and they bought into the idiocy. These flat earth types are not academically minded people, nor are the scientific, or mathematically stable people. They are emotional beings, who prefer to have their arguments substantiated by an appeal to bias. With reason no longer extant in their lateral core, they seem to wade and wander between bad science and ridiculed reason.

It is best to leave the flat earth donkeys where they are, they need an home too. There are hospitals for them... just not on the web!

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I believe the earth is a sphere.



My post above this one explains how this flat earth malarky became popular all of a sudden.

no worries bro,i have recently questioned it,im still struggling to be convinced or yrs ive been taught the world is sphere,..I watched a YT video of dr Zakir Naik,he believes the world is sphere too,but some of the YT replies disagree,the more I look into the flat earth theory I'm getting more convinced,with both the science & muslim view of it,right now I'm swaying towards flat earth

 

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Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

no worries bro,i have recently questioned it,im still struggling to be convinced or yrs ive been taught the world is sphere,..I watched a YT video of dr Zakir Naik,he believes the world is sphere too,but some of the YT replies disagree,the more I look into the flat earth theory I'm getting more convinced,with both the science & muslim view of it,right now I'm swaying towards flat earth

You know what is interesting?

I dropped a few breadcrumbs above, namely about how in our ancient past, time was measured with a stick against the sun... the very same stick was also used to prove the earth was spherical. Eratosthenes measured the length of shadows in order to determine the circumference of the earth:

mind blown yet? i mentioned above, how those who lean towards the flat earth theory are not scientifically secure people nor are they mathematically stable - if you can understand this model I have linked you above, you would understand that the earth is not flat and that it is a sphere!!! And as you could conduct the experiment yourself... however, if you do not understand this process then, you will sway towards a conveniently unscientific bias devoid of mathematical process.

 

[talibilm]

Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!



I did not see the video because of my weak internet but as far as I know of the Glorious quran there are no EXPLICIT verses about the Earth being a sphere but there are hints there that the Earth is sphere as dr Zakir Naik points from some verses out inferring that the Earth is a Sphere and another verses points does say that on the day of Judgement this earth will pounded and made into a flat earth and the mountains will used to fill up the oceans and the earth will be made flat IMPLIES that the Earth is a Sphere NOW and from the hadith or the kalamullah I do not remember , further on this subject, eye sight of the People will be sharpened (Imo like a telescope so that when Bush will be interrogated in USA by Allah a person on SE Asia will watch it ). Because its known everyone will be resurrected from the place he is buried.

Why Allah had not mentioned that Earth is sphere ??

here's the answer in post # 1 in the below thread

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?424691-Yes-the-Noble-Quran-is-free-of-errors-!

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[M.I.A.]

Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

Prior to the death of Terry Pratchett (March 12 2015), no one gave a toss about flat earth theories. Do you know who Terry was? He was a novelist, who'd spun a yarn about a universe with flat disc like planets... this was quite lovingly titled the Discworld Saga or Series.

He died in 2015, and all his fans, had no one left to contain them. So they broke out of containment and leaked onto the web's loony bin, but that loony bin infected the weak among the internet's intellects (or lack thereof) and they bought into the idiocy. These flat earth types are not academically minded people, nor are the scientific, or mathematically stable people. They are emotional beings, who prefer to have their arguments substantiated by an appeal to bias. With reason no longer extant in their lateral core, they seem to wade and wander between bad science and ridiculed reason.

It is best to leave the flat earth donkeys where they are, they need an home too. There are hospitals for them... just not on the web!

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I believe the earth is a sphere.

Above, I have explained how this flat earth malarky became popular all of a sudden.

Yeah i know of him..i read one of his books as a teen and i have to say its good..

Ironically, nightwatch.

But the idea as a whole has been explored often... i think the last time i encountered it was a childrens cartoon.. o_o

But heres the thing..

We believe in gog n magog.

And some of the interpretations of such events are beyond explanation.

...we believe in the people of the cave.. and some of the interpretations of such events are beyond explanation.

But..

As much as i wonder about all the extraordinary wonders allah swt is capable off.

Just spending your time, not destroying yourself mentally or physically would be enough.

I dont think you trolled me into giving you an argument..

But i cant be sure..

Dont worry.. gog n magog will still be here tomorrow..

I am planning on leaving..


Only kidding. Im here everyday.

 

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Re: Islam,flat Earth & my live YT interview!!

Yeah i know of him..i read one of his books as a teen and i have to say its good..

Ironically, nightwatch.

But the idea as a whole has been explored often... i think the last time i encountered it was a childrens cartoon.. o_o

Asterix?

But heres the thing..

We believe in gog n magog.

And some of the interpretations of such events are beyond explanation.

Depends on who is doing the explaining, this doesn't help you to make a point. I dropped HUGE breadcrumbs in the WHO IS DHUL QARNAYN thread, which no member decided to follow up on - you're all here to socialise, not learn.

...we believe in the people of the cave.. and some of the interpretations of such events are beyond explanation.

Nope, not to me.

Have you see grass in the summer? lush and green isn't it? But where is it in the winter? And how is it that it reappears again in the summer?

But..

As much as i wonder about all the extraordinary wonders allah swt is capable off.

Just spending your time, not destroying yourself mentally or physically would be enough.

You never really did make any sense !!! Nothing has changed in my absence lol

 

[M.I.A.]

Neil de grasse tyson on the flat earth theory..

And islam.

...nice view

https://youtu.be/CuwjWZV8EA0

Incidentally, i asked about the gopro video i posted before in the thread..

The way the curvature of the earth changes during it, is due to use of a fisheye lens. (Although nobody elaborated)

But lets not get carried away..

https://youtu.be/JgY8zNZ35uw

I dont mean to be disrespectful to anybody but i feel under the right conditions people can be lead to believe anything.

But then!!

https://youtu.be/cGtvXOvqYZg

 

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Neil de grasse tyson on the flat earth theory..

And islam.

...nice view

https://youtu.be/CuwjWZV8EA0

Incidentally, i asked about the gopro video i posted before in the thread..

The way the curvature of the earth changes during it, is due to use of a fisheye lens. (Although nobody elaborated)

I never saw the thread, but seriously, if you didn't know that wide angle lenses suffer something called angular distortion, then that's your own issue bro - no one elses.

If you believe in flat earth, and think there's some sort of conspiracy - ask yourself - who gains from it? and why?

The answer is no one gains and thus, the why doesn't even need to be addressed... I gave you the answer because i don't think your brain would go this far.

peace

 

[M.I.A.]

Who gains from deception?

Well at one point in time the flat earthers were in charge..

And globe theorists were even executed for the equivalent of blaspheming.

I would say that heavy investment on a matter leads to some irrational behaviour at times.
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Wait..there is more..

http://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/phd-thesis-the-earth-is-flat-1.2009202


As it is.. there is more educated/influential backing for a simulated world theory than to undo hundreds of years of scientific research.. in accepting the flat earth model.

Its life, but not as we know it.

..see, i moved the goalposts.

Im yearning to make some connection to the days of old..

It is the same place as jesus AS, moses AS.. soloman AS inhabited..

Somewhere there has to be something that does not fit just quite right.

And maybe thats what flat earthers in part yearn for..

Although in spreading any falsehood the point is lost lol.

The biggest conspiracy beyond doubt, is the god conspiracy...

The truman show.. Because im not much of a reader.

Well, i read people.. but not as well as they read me..

I have an iq of about 80 so listen to this guy instead..

https://youtu.be/j-788Upky2Y

Ultimately we are the statements and actions we convey..

Although good character and the success associated with it, are something i cannot put into words..

I suppose thats why we frequent ib.

 

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Who gains from deception?

Well at one point in time the flat earthers were in charge..

I think you're a few slices short of a loaf young laddie.

You totally missed the point - again - hardly surprising.

Vouching for a flat or spherical earth wins nothing dude - it's not a political nor religious requirement to convince anyone of one or the other lol. As for your moving goal posts - you done scored an own goal... you're funny. A proper class clown. lol