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Baji-Ji

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What do you make of them?

I respect all religions however I was quite annoyed today at Jehovah's Witnesses.

Two women came round, they had a leaflet about water and wasting water when people in poorer countries don't have access to clean water, she opened the information book straight away to a page full of facts they said we'll leave the leaflet(book type thing) with you, and handed me two and walked away.

I looked at the front cover of the first and seen it mentioned God, I turned to see what was on the other book and it was all about Jehovah's Witnesses.

I ripped it up and threw it away ...
I wouldn't have been so annoyed if they had mentioned this is what it was I would've politely said I'm muslim sorry closed the door and left it at that

but their sneakiness angered me!

What do you think of them?

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I don't like Jehovah's Witnesses. I do try to be impartial and tolerant, but I remember well how my late grandfather was endlessly pestered by them. He was old, knew death was approaching, I think, and was a little afraid, and the JWs played on that for all they were worth. It made me very angry.
 
Baji-Ji said:
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What do you make of them?

I respect all religions however I was quite annoyed today at Jehovah's Witnesses.

Two women came round, they had a leaflet about water and wasting water when people in poorer countries don't have access to clean water, she opened the information book straight away to a page full of facts they said we'll leave the leaflet(book type thing) with you, and handed me two and walked away.

I looked at the front cover of the first and seen it mentioned God, I turned to see what was on the other book and it was all about Jehovah's Witnesses.

I ripped it up and threw it away ...
I wouldn't have been so annoyed if they had mentioned this is what it was I would've politely said I'm muslim sorry closed the door and left it at that

but their sneakiness angered me!

What do you think of them?

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Well... we have the same problem with them in poland. ppl are angry and annoyed that they walk from home to home and talk about their religion. u know its ok if you want to change your religion and go to them. but it's annoying when these ppl come to your home and talk about their religion.
thats my opinion
 
Aren't they the one that abuses their children by denying live saving treatment, like blood transfusions? They should be arrested and locked up.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Aren't they the one that abuses their children by denying live saving treatment, like blood transfusions? They should be arrested and locked up.
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I have mixed feelings about that. I feel it is wrong for the government to interfere with a persons religious belief and I feel it is wrong to endanger the life and/or health of a child.

When I was in Texas at one point I worked as an investigator/counselor for Children's protective services. this was an issue we faced often. However we did find that most JW's would cooperate if we assured them they would not face criminal charges and would have their children returned. We would get a court order temporarily removing the children from the parent's care, make them temporary wards of the state and return them to the parents after the necessary medical treatment was done.
 
north_malaysian said:
They're prohibited in Singapore as they dont want to involve in National Service...
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Here in the USA they register as conscientious objectors. If a person belongs to a faith that forbids them to use firearms even for self-defense, they are exempted from military service.

Needless to say during war time the JWs get a lot of "converts"
 
Woodrow said:
Here in the USA they register as conscientious objectors. If a person belongs to a faith that forbids them to use firearms even for self-defense, they are exempted from military service.

Needless to say during war time the JWs get a lot of "converts"
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LOL...

In Malaysia, an actress was excused from attending national service because of her film/ads contracts.... and a poor boy was jailed for not attending the national service as he is the sole breadwinner of the family...:exhausted
 
A few months ago some JW came to my house. Seems like they were not really into trying to convert a muslim.
 
Yeh a couple knocked on our door and they asked what religion i was.. i said muslim and the look on the ladys face was priceless. I never understood what they were trying to do though cos they just hand u a booklet. Only when i read the booklet did i get what they were; originally i thought they were just a couple of weirdos.
 
I have always found them to be very nice people. Over the years, I have on several occasions, invited them into my home, read their literature, listened to their views and debated with them. Why – for the same reasons I am here – I am curious to understand why certain people believe so passionately in certain things which, to me, appear untenable. If you take the time to read the stuff they produce it doesn’t stand up to critical analysis; it seems to be aimed at the uneducated and impressionable. For example it’ll quote some unarguable fact like ‘the weather is worsening with floods in one place a droughts in another and it’ll then point to a passage in the bible which loosely talks about weather and suggest that the weather is worsening because God is angry with the people.’ I politely point out all the holes in their arguments, they go away and return with someone ‘senior’ whose arguments are no stronger and they eventually stop coming. The question I ask is why do they continue to believe and follow when they are unable to sustain a debate on their views? The answer I came up with is because the structure of the group gives them what they want. They are part of a group of people who are all very nice and very supportive of each other; they are taught that they are chosen and that only they and those who follow their beliefs will get into heaven and they are taught that if they leave after being converted they will go to hell. I have formed the view that some people want to be part of a solidly sure and supportive structure so badly that they are able to convince themselves that 2 and 2 makes 5.
 
Thinker said:
I have always found them to be very nice people. Over the years, I have on several occasions, invited them into my home, read their literature, listened to their views and debated with them. Why – for the same reasons I am here – I am curious to understand why certain people believe so passionately in certain things which, to me, appear untenable. If you take the time to read the stuff they produce it doesn’t stand up to critical analysis; it seems to be aimed at the uneducated and impressionable. For example it’ll quote some unarguable fact like ‘the weather is worsening with floods in one place a droughts in another and it’ll then point to a passage in the bible which loosely talks about weather and suggest that the weather is worsening because God is angry with the people.’ I politely point out all the holes in their arguments, they go away and return with someone ‘senior’ whose arguments are no stronger and they eventually stop coming. The question I ask is why do they continue to believe and follow when they are unable to sustain a debate on their views? The answer I came up with is because the structure of the group gives them what they want. They are part of a group of people who are all very nice and very supportive of each other; they are taught that they are chosen and that only they and those who follow their beliefs will get into heaven and they are taught that if they leave after being converted they will go to hell. I have formed the view that some people want to be part of a solidly sure and supportive structure so badly that they are able to convince themselves that 2 and 2 makes 5.
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^Honestly that seems a tad presumptuous, to me.
 
I love their optimism.

I mean, going round door to door in order to bring people into Jehovanism reduces their chances of being amongst the 144,000 cherished ones who will make it into heaven. But that doesn't phase them!
 
Thinker said:
I have always found them to be very nice people. Over the years, I have on several occasions, invited them into my home, read their literature, listened to their views and debated with them. Why – for the same reasons I am here – I am curious to understand why certain people believe so passionately in certain things which, to me, appear untenable. If you take the time to read the stuff they produce it doesn’t stand up to critical analysis; it seems to be aimed at the uneducated and impressionable. For example it’ll quote some unarguable fact like ‘the weather is worsening with floods in one place a droughts in another and it’ll then point to a passage in the bible which loosely talks about weather and suggest that the weather is worsening because God is angry with the people.’ I politely point out all the holes in their arguments, they go away and return with someone ‘senior’ whose arguments are no stronger and they eventually stop coming. The question I ask is why do they continue to believe and follow when they are unable to sustain a debate on their views? The answer I came up with is because the structure of the group gives them what they want. They are part of a group of people who are all very nice and very supportive of each other; they are taught that they are chosen and that only they and those who follow their beliefs will get into heaven and they are taught that if they leave after being converted they will go to hell. I have formed the view that some people want to be part of a solidly sure and supportive structure so badly that they are able to convince themselves that 2 and 2 makes 5.
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Are you sure they used the word 'hell'. I know someone who is a jehovah witness and she told me that they do not believe in hell at all. Basically they argue that since God is merciful he wouldnt want 'his children'- yes thats right they believe that humans, angels ,satan etc are all 'God's children'- to suffer so they are given a second chance!
I think this point is one of the main criticism of Jehova Witness. I dont understand why these people would spend so much time and effort being good and doing good work when they already know that God will give them a chance anyway!
 
Ar-RaYYan said:
Are you sure they used the word 'hell'. I know someone who is a jehovah witness and she told me that they do not believe in hell at all. Basically they argue that since God is merciful he wouldnt want 'his children'- yes thats right they believe that humans, angels ,satan etc are all 'God's children'- to suffer so they are given a second chance!
I think this point is one of the main criticism of Jehova Witness. I dont understand why these people would spend so much time and effort being good and doing good work when they already know that God will give them a chance anyway!
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I agree with the fact that they dnt believe in hell.

As for your second point...

They believe that only 144 000 cherished jehovas witnesses will join Jesus in the special governing team in heaven.

All other good people will live in a new state of life on earth.The above governing people will take care of them. All non believers will just die. death is a state of nothingness, soullessness to them.
 
sevgi said:
All other good people will live in a new state of life on earth.The above governing people will take care of them. All non believers will just die. death is a state of nothingness, soullessness to them.
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hmm :hmm:thats bit weird becuase i remember the jehovas withness person telling me that all those non jehovas will be resurrected and allowed to prove their worthiness. maybe that is different perspective :hmm:just like there are different views on blood transfusion

They believe that only 144 000 cherished jehovas witnesses will join Jesus in the special governing team in heaven.
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One of thing that i always wondered about was how do they know thay will be one of the 144 000 cherished jehovas. There are more than a million of them and all of them want to be part of the 144 000 that will govern the rest of the humanity- wouldn't it create uncertainty and insecurity within the individual - what if God doesnt choose me what did i do wrong? may he will chose that person and not me and etc
 
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hmm :hmm:thats bit weird becuase i remember the jehovas withness person telling me that all those non jehovas will be resurrected and allowed to prove their worthiness. maybe that is different perspective :hmm:just like there are different views on blood transfusion



One of thing that i always wondered about was how do they know thay will be one of the 144 000 cherished jehovas. There are more than a million of them and all of them want to be part of the 144 000 that will govern the rest of the humanity- wouldn't it create uncertainty and insecurity within the individual - what if God doesnt choose me what did i do wrong? may he will chose that person and not me and etc
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I have no idea about your first point.

For your second point, I guess thats why they work harder and harder..coz they are uncertain as to whether or not they will be in that 144 000. ?