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Not all Muslims call Jews Nazi. Not all Jews support what is happening in Israel.
You are making generalisation, Muslims are not dumb enough to make such assumptions about all Jews. Just anyone (that includes from any faith) that supports Israel can be considered supporting people similar to Nazi.
I know what you mean though; I remember having an argument with another Muslim who praised Hitler. She did not realise her black behind would be in a gas chamber too. Even so, what he did was horrific, and no Muslims should praise someone like that.
You are making generalisation.
Not all Muslims call Jews Nazi. Not all Jews support what is happening in Israel.
You are making generalisation, Muslims are not dumb enough to make such assumptions about all Jews. Just anyone (that includes from any faith) that supports Israel can be considered supporting people similar to Nazi.
I know what you mean though; I remember having an argument with another Muslim who praised Hitler. She did not realise her black behind would be in a gas chamber too. Even so, what he did was horrific, and no Muslims should praise someone like that.
You are making generalisation.
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Muslims don't call all Jews as zionists or nazis. Those who love to kill innocent people , those who want to justify all atrocities of Isreal just because thier forefathers were tortured by Hitler , we only ask them to stop acting like nazis.
Muslims don't call all Jews as zionists or nazis. Those who love to kill innocent people , those who want to justify all atrocities of Isreal just because thier forefathers were tortured by Hitler , we only ask them to stop acting like nazis.
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Right after you subscribed, the first thing you was march into this section and wrote this:
Wouldnt you call me a troll too, if right after I subscribe to a jewish forum, I write this:
Jews say that they were racial victims of hitler and Nazi.
So why do jews are discriminating the palestines, bulldozing their homes, killing children and women?
But of course there is a difference.
not all muslims are actually calling jews nazis, but Israel treatment towards the palestines are institutionalized.
People from every religion spread hatred about others. Just because someone has a religion, it doesn't mean they're sinless. I just watched a film called 'The Pianist'. It's about how badly the Jews were treated in WWII and I recommend it to everyone. Discrimination is evil and you have just shown an example of it.
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Discrimination is real. It's not just in some movie about WW II.
but what's worse than discrimination is injustice, opression and murders of the innocents.
Plenty of those going on in the world today.
Example where those are currently happening: Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq.
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related links :
Jews are effecting a holocaust in Gaza"
It is true the Jews are not sending our children to the ovens, but they are killing us using other means," said a visibly depressed Al-Shawwa. "Maybe the Europeans and the Americans won't believe it, but the truth is that the Jews are effecting a real holocaust against our people."
TV cameras showed hair-raising scenes of dying Palestinian children whose survival depends on certain electricity-powered medical machines. In northern Gaza, a paralyzed child was fluctuating between life and death as members of his family alternately sought to keep him breathing using a manually-operated rubber pump.
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1199279821207&pagename=Zone-English-Muslim_Affairs%2FMAELayout
The West is much more violent than the Muslim world. Millions of Arab civilians have been killed since colonialism began.
By Jürgen Todenhöfer
The West must treat the Muslim world just as fairly as it treats Israel. Muslims are worth as much as Jews and Christians.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
Britain's War in the Cause of Fear and Ignorance
By John Pilger
Muslims are alone as they watch the British state, with its "obstinate incomprehension" of their faith, do to them as it would never do to those of other faiths.
Imagine Jews treated this way. You cannot imagine it; the profanity is too great. The silence of British Jews, who have the history, is also great.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20182.htm
related links :
Jews are effecting a holocaust in Gaza"
It is true the Jews are not sending our children to the ovens, but they are killing us using other means," said a visibly depressed Al-Shawwa. "Maybe the Europeans and the Americans won't believe it, but the truth is that the Jews are effecting a real holocaust against our people."
TV cameras showed hair-raising scenes of dying Palestinian children whose survival depends on certain electricity-powered medical machines. In northern Gaza, a paralyzed child was fluctuating between life and death as members of his family alternately sought to keep him breathing using a manually-operated rubber pump.
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1199279821207&pagename=Zone-English-Muslim_Affairs%2FMAELayout
The West is much more violent than the Muslim world. Millions of Arab civilians have been killed since colonialism began.
By Jürgen Todenhöfer
The West must treat the Muslim world just as fairly as it treats Israel. Muslims are worth as much as Jews and Christians.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
Britain's War in the Cause of Fear and Ignorance
By John Pilger
Muslims are alone as they watch the British state, with its "obstinate incomprehension" of their faith, do to them as it would never do to those of other faiths.
Imagine Jews treated this way. You cannot imagine it; the profanity is too great. The silence of British Jews, who have the history, is also great.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20182.htm
I think you have rather jumped the gun!
I was just seeking some clarification before making my next point.
My point/question comes from having seen pictures/videos muslims protesting about Israel/Zionists.
In those pictures/videos are muslims screaming for another holocaust and with flags/banners saying "God bless hitler" and even waving flags/banners with the swastika on them.
And some have even chanted, things like "Jews back to the ovens" or "get back to Auschwitz!
So I was naturally puzzled by the apparent contradiction!
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funny you should mention this in light of a Palestinian violinist used by the Zionists in exact manner as the 'pianist' I think they commit unspeakable crimes and then fancy them good movie plots to play the victim gain sympathy and further their occupation and genocide of the Palestinian people... Amazing still that the holocaust lasted a whole five years from which the entire world and specifically Palestinians who had nothing to do with the matter are made to suffer while they undergo a 60+ year holocaust and humiliation with a schmuck coming in every other day to teach us about political correctness!
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fair enough
muslims do not support hitler and what he did to the jews during the holocaust, they're probably just angry anti-zionist protesters
although we do hate zionists and how they've commited a holocaust against muslims in palestine
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Thats funny becasue I saw Jewish bombers blowing up hospitals, schools, mosques and even UN buildings - I've seen pitcures of Jewish children writing messeges on bombs, I've also seen videos and Pics of Jews bullying beating and shooting people. I've heard and read that a Jew driving a bull dozer killed an innocent american. I've heard Jews say they want a "greater Isreal" and that all palestinain land is Jewsih land.
so using your logic - If Judaism says its a peaceful religion why are these apparant contradicitions out there?
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ive never heard a Muslim call a Jew a Nazi :hmm: i have heard us calling them Zionist though...if thats what you mean?
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No, I did not. I was very specific when addressing your flaming post.
And by seeking clarification was actually making silly illogical flaming fallacious statement dressed as question like this:
How many muslims were on that pictures/videos screaming zionists = hitlers?
How many muslims are there in the world?
What is Islamic teaching are actually like?
Right. You deluded yourself and barged right in to our forum with that "question" and expect us to glove-handled you and give you nice answers?
No. We are giving you the truth, and if you don't like it, you can always go cry in some more sympathetic forums. There are many anti-islam forums out there.
Thats why I also made an analogy:
It would be like me saying:
"Jews say they are peaceful people. So why are jews murdering innocent people?"
So am I!
weird, eh?
well i this is True that NOT all Jews are Nazi, or i should say Ashkenazi BUT the Modern Jewry Consists of Majority of Jews who are Ashkenazi...
Ashkenazi basically means Jews From Eastern Europe, particularly Germany.... The Modern Jewry has mostly Jews who are from Eastern Europe... there were people in Eastern Europe who accepted Judaism as a Religion because Islam was on one side flourishing and Christian Roman Empires were on the other side... so this Khazar Dynasty did not know which religion to adopt, so they ended up adopting a Religion whom they saw had very less followers compared to Islam and Christianity and also this would save them from being dominated by the Former and the latter.... so they adopted Judaism as their Religion...they also wanted to have a Heavenly religion as they thought not to follow the Pagan Religion they were following...
The Jews of today are divided in to 2 Divisions... Sephardim and Ashkenazi...
Sephardim are those Jews, who have ancestory linking them with the Children of Israel... Or the 12 Sons of Jacob (Yaqub), who became the 12 Tribes of Israel (Jacob) when Moses (a.s) came and saved them from the Pharoah of Egypt. They then moved to the Sinai Desert and from there in to Israel, Holy Land. Where they lived for a Very long time, till 700 BC when the Assyrians came and destroyed them completely and took many as Captives, after destroying Jerusalem, they destroyed the Temple built by Hazrat Suleiman (a.s)... and Quran mentions it...they were punished by Allah (Swt) for going astray from the Path shown by Suleiman and Dawud (a.s)...
(17:4) Then We clearly declared to the Children of Israel in the Book: "Twice you will make mischief in the land and will commit transgression."
(17:5) So, when the occasion for the first of the transgressions arrived, We raised against you some of Our creatures who were full of might, and they ran over the whole of your land. This was a promise that was bound to be fulfilled.
When Allah (swt) said.... when the occasion for the first of the transgressions arrived.... meaning Allah (swt) sent Assyrian Pagans to destroy them, as Children of Israel became very corrupt. ...Our creatures who were full of might... meaning that these Assyrians were so Ruthless that when they Overran Israel, they destroyed them so much that they caused the DISSAPPEARANCE of GREATER PART of Hebrew Nation, CHildren of Israel.... thus who became known in the World as the "Ten Lost Tribes."
When Muslims became the Rulers of Palestine, then Jews who were Sephardic lived under the Muslims, and THEY are the ones who are actual Descendants of Yaqub (a.s) and all his Sons ....
So since then Children of Israel, were not many in numbers around the World, their population did grow, but not much... and so we should ask then How did majority of the Europeans suddenly became part of the population of Jews around the World ? and at the same time started to claim the Holy Land Palestine as their Own, also calling themselves descendants of Jacob (Yaqub) ?
Now this Khazar Dynasty who accepted Judaism around 7th Century AD, was destroyed by other nations attacks as well as their internal fighting, [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]after the destruction of their empire (in the 12th or 13th century), the Jewish Khazars migrated into those regions of Eastern Europe, mainly Russia and Poland, where at the dawn of the modern age the greatest concentrations of Jews were found.[/FONT]
Arthur Koestler is a writer of a Novel named 13th Tribe... he himself is a Asheknazim Jew a Polish Jew, who has declared that Modern Majority of Jews are NOT Sephardic or Semetic, but mostly are Eastern European, having no links with Yaqub (Jacob), son of Isaac.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An Israeli scholar, A. N. Poliak, a Tel Aviv University professor of medieval Jewish history quoted by Koestler, states that the descendants of Khazar Jews, "those who stayed where they were (in Khazaria), those who emigrated to the United States and to other countries, and those who went to Israel--constitute now the large majority of world Jewry."[/FONT]
So coming back to the topic, Whether Jews are Nazis ?... Yes Modern Jewry majority comes from Eastern Europe, and it is they who mostly migrated from Germany to the land of Palestine and occuppied the land, and since Nazi word also comes from Ashkenazi... the Jews, majority in Israel are also from those same ones....
Please search all of the Above on Google and other sites, im sure you can find the 13th tribe Novel, as i am not yet allowed to post Links, i am a Limited member... Salaam...
Ashkenazi basically means Jews From Eastern Europe, particularly Germany.... The Modern Jewry has mostly Jews who are from Eastern Europe... there were people in Eastern Europe who accepted Judaism as a Religion because Islam was on one side flourishing and Christian Roman Empires were on the other side... so this Khazar Dynasty did not know which religion to adopt, so they ended up adopting a Religion whom they saw had very less followers compared to Islam and Christianity and also this would save them from being dominated by the Former and the latter.... so they adopted Judaism as their Religion...they also wanted to have a Heavenly religion as they thought not to follow the Pagan Religion they were following...
The Jews of today are divided in to 2 Divisions... Sephardim and Ashkenazi...
Sephardim are those Jews, who have ancestory linking them with the Children of Israel... Or the 12 Sons of Jacob (Yaqub), who became the 12 Tribes of Israel (Jacob) when Moses (a.s) came and saved them from the Pharoah of Egypt. They then moved to the Sinai Desert and from there in to Israel, Holy Land. Where they lived for a Very long time, till 700 BC when the Assyrians came and destroyed them completely and took many as Captives, after destroying Jerusalem, they destroyed the Temple built by Hazrat Suleiman (a.s)... and Quran mentions it...they were punished by Allah (Swt) for going astray from the Path shown by Suleiman and Dawud (a.s)...
(17:4) Then We clearly declared to the Children of Israel in the Book: "Twice you will make mischief in the land and will commit transgression."
(17:5) So, when the occasion for the first of the transgressions arrived, We raised against you some of Our creatures who were full of might, and they ran over the whole of your land. This was a promise that was bound to be fulfilled.
When Allah (swt) said.... when the occasion for the first of the transgressions arrived.... meaning Allah (swt) sent Assyrian Pagans to destroy them, as Children of Israel became very corrupt. ...Our creatures who were full of might... meaning that these Assyrians were so Ruthless that when they Overran Israel, they destroyed them so much that they caused the DISSAPPEARANCE of GREATER PART of Hebrew Nation, CHildren of Israel.... thus who became known in the World as the "Ten Lost Tribes."
When Muslims became the Rulers of Palestine, then Jews who were Sephardic lived under the Muslims, and THEY are the ones who are actual Descendants of Yaqub (a.s) and all his Sons ....
So since then Children of Israel, were not many in numbers around the World, their population did grow, but not much... and so we should ask then How did majority of the Europeans suddenly became part of the population of Jews around the World ? and at the same time started to claim the Holy Land Palestine as their Own, also calling themselves descendants of Jacob (Yaqub) ?
Now this Khazar Dynasty who accepted Judaism around 7th Century AD, was destroyed by other nations attacks as well as their internal fighting, [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]after the destruction of their empire (in the 12th or 13th century), the Jewish Khazars migrated into those regions of Eastern Europe, mainly Russia and Poland, where at the dawn of the modern age the greatest concentrations of Jews were found.[/FONT]
Arthur Koestler is a writer of a Novel named 13th Tribe... he himself is a Asheknazim Jew a Polish Jew, who has declared that Modern Majority of Jews are NOT Sephardic or Semetic, but mostly are Eastern European, having no links with Yaqub (Jacob), son of Isaac.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An Israeli scholar, A. N. Poliak, a Tel Aviv University professor of medieval Jewish history quoted by Koestler, states that the descendants of Khazar Jews, "those who stayed where they were (in Khazaria), those who emigrated to the United States and to other countries, and those who went to Israel--constitute now the large majority of world Jewry."[/FONT]
So coming back to the topic, Whether Jews are Nazis ?... Yes Modern Jewry majority comes from Eastern Europe, and it is they who mostly migrated from Germany to the land of Palestine and occuppied the land, and since Nazi word also comes from Ashkenazi... the Jews, majority in Israel are also from those same ones....
Please search all of the Above on Google and other sites, im sure you can find the 13th tribe Novel, as i am not yet allowed to post Links, i am a Limited member... Salaam...
Oh dear, you seem to be a very angry person!
How else can I ask a question, except by asking it!
If the subject matter is dificult for this forum, is that my fault?
And there are a lot more muslims who claim that Israelis/Zionists are acting like Nazis, than perhaps islam and muslims would like to admit!
Another thing, is that apparently hitler's Mein Kampf is one of the best selling books amongst muslims around the world!
Anyway, let's hope that you all show more of the peaceful side of the 'religion of peace!'
And if certain subjects are not alowed and are censored, please post a list of them!
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projection?
Rather are the replies received difficult for you to understand? I don't think they can be broken down to a lower common denominator!
Some zionist actions are indeed akin to Nazism, why should anyone deny that, now contrast that with the title of your thread!
You know this because you surveyed all the book stores throughout the Muslim world or is the western propaganda mill in overdrive?
Peace should be exhibited to those who seek it, clearly you've other intentions!
Perhaps you can sign up for some course where they can teach you the art of speech and communication instead? the problem from where we are standing indeed lies with you!
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