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Jim Fitzpatrick, a Government minister, has publicly condemned the Muslim tradition of separating men and women at weddings.

The farming minister and his wife walked out of the marriage ceremony of a constituent after discovering they would have to sit in separate rooms.

He said the gender segregation was a sign of increasing radicalisation and was damaging to social cohesion.

However, Muslim leaders insist the custom is traditional at Islamic weddings as well as in mosques, and expressed surprise that Mr Fitzpatrick, a third of whose east London constituents are Muslims, was unaware of the fact.

It was suggested that the Labour MP was trying to appeal to white voters who may fear divided communities.

His comments echo the row triggered three years ago when Jack Straw, now the justice secretary, called Muslim face veils a “visible statement of separation and difference” and called for women to remove them during surgeries in his Blackburn constituency.

Sir Iqbal Sacranie, a founding member of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “I think in the interest of cohesion it would be better if Mr Fitzpatrick established more contact with the Muslim community.

“It shows a lack of interest on the part of the MP to engage with people with different backgrounds and sadly it reflects badly on him.

“If he had a little bit of knowledge he would have found it was quite normal and nothing unusual for them to enjoy the celebration in this way.

“There are some who prefer segregated events and some where they are joined together. We live in a society where we need to respect all traditions.”

George Galloway, the Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow who will contest the new Poplar and Limehouse constituency against Mr Fitzgerald at the election, said: “If he doesn’t wish to attend an Islamic wedding and observe the religious customs preferred by the bride and groom, he should not go rather than insult them for perceived political gain.

“I am absolutely amazed and astonished that a Government minister with a substantial Muslim minority in his constituency should have decided to give such a gratuitous insult to so many Muslims.”

Tim Archer, who will stand for the Conservatives locally, said: “I can’t help but feel he’s playing a certain race card to save his skin at the next election. I think it’s a desperate strategy.”

Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, a director of the Muslim Institute, a leading think tank, added: “He shouldn’t have been surprised, or perhaps he didn’t read the invitation card properly.

“But he’s going to annoy a number of people in his constituency.”

Mr Fitzpatrick, a former fireman, has represented Poplar and Canning Town since 1997 and served as a junior transport minister, London minister and as Post Office minister.

Most of his constituency is in Tower Hamlets, where an estimated 35 per cent of the residents are Bangladeshi Muslims, and he says he regularly attends Islamic weddings where men and women mix freely.

On Sunday he and his wife Sheila, a GP, were invited to a wedding where they found male and female guests were seated in separate rooms, and promptly walked out. The event was held at the London Muslim Centre, next door to the prominent East London Mosque in Whitechapel.

The minister later told his local newspaper: “It’s a disappointment. We are trying to build social cohesion in a community but this is not the way forward.”

He told The Daily Telegraph: “My wife and I go to weddings to celebrate the occasion jointly. If we are welcome as a couple we go as a couple and if not it is our right to say we don’t want to do that.

“I’m not pandering to any minority opinion.”

Mr Fitzpatrick claimed the invitation to the wedding, of a couple he did not know personally but who were related to a friend of his, did not make it clear that the event would be segregated.

He said he had only ever once encountered a similar situation at the centre, and had left that wedding as well.

The minister blamed the policy on the Islamic Forum of Europe, a hardline group based at the East London Mosque.

He said: "The segregation of men and women didn't used to be as much of a strong feature.

"We've been attending Muslim weddings together for years but only recently has this strict line been taken.

"But it is an indication of the stricter application of rules that is taking place that didn't exist before."

"I think the stranglehold influence of the IFE is present more than ever before."

However, the mosque insisted that men and women have been kept apart at weddings in the centre since 2004.

The policy is traditional at Muslim marriages, as it is in mosques, as an illustration of the importance the religion places on modesty.

A spokesman said: “Segregated weddings have always been popular in the Muslim community; the London Muslim Centre has facilitated them for over five years. It is part of the attraction for Muslim families so they can celebrate their happy day in a religious atmosphere, a custom which is also found in other religious traditions represented in Britain.

“We have always allowed non-Muslim guests to be seated together without segregation, but this is entirely at the discretion of the families who have hired the halls.”

Syed Ahmed, a spokesman for the IFE, said his organisation had nothing to do with the wedding policy.

He said: "It is a bit confusing. If he has got a problem then he should take it up with the relevant person who invited him.”

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I want to tell Mr.Fitzpatrick. "If you sit with other males in a room and your wife sit with other females in another room, that is not wrong. But if you sit with many females in a room and your wife sit with many males in another room, that is wrong".
 
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See, if he complained about the slow food, I'd agree with him. But to walk out and then complain about segregation and then linking that to radicalisation, he's just an ungrateful jerk.

I feel sorry for the bride and groom though, since Mr Fitzpatrick basically ruined it for them.
 
Uthmān;1201632 said:
He said the gender segregation was a sign of increasing radicalisation and was damaging to social cohesion.



This is clearly a case of xenophobia. If that happened in my wedding, I would give him a good beating.
 
salaam

Uthman man where you getting these stories from lol.

peace

Muslim weddings have practiced segregation for years - many muslims practice this its so common its unreal and dates way before 2004.
 
you know what, I dont think this was even a proper gender seperation wedding it was probably just men on one side of the hall and women on the other

edit: might have been a proper one, I think he was just used to goin to pakistani weddings
 
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Salaam

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/14/minister-criticised-muslim-wedding-segregation

"Jim Fitzpatrick, the minister for food, farming and environment, left a constituent's wedding at the London Muslim Centre, next door to and run by the East London mosque in Whitechapel, after being told that male and female guests were to be segregated.

Fitzpatrick said it was "strange" he could not sit with his GP wife Sheila at the ceremony on Sunday. "We've been attending [Muslim] weddings together for years but only recently has this strict line been taken. We left so as not to cause offence," he said.

But the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) accused the minister of turning a private matter for the families concerned into a political issue."

Some things we can do insha'Allah:

1) Contact Fitzpatrick via phone:

Tel: 020 7219 5085/6215 Fax: 020 7219 2776

(2) Write to the him:
http://www.writetothem.com/write?wh...tp://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=MP&meta=

(3) A poll: WAS Government minister Jim Fitzpatrick right to walk out of a Muslim wedding because he was segregated from his wife? GIVE YOUR VIEW!
http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/content/towerhamlets/advertiser/default/default.aspx

JazakumAllah Khair

Walaikumsalaam
 
The man is an idiot, how he thinks he is worthy of being an MP I don't know.
Where has he been all his life, segregation if the norm in many religious meetings (Islamic, Jewish and some christian).
I hope he does not get elected next time around.
 
seriously, only a piece of CRAP can come out and speak against a wedding you were invited to, this is one of the biggest no no's in all cultures and society, that you dont go out and speak against the wedding even if you werent happy with how it was and didnt like it etc.
 
you know what, I dont think this was even a proper gender seperation wedding it was probably just men on one side of the hall and women on the other

edit: might have been a proper one, I think he was just used to goin to pakistani weddings

Salaam

Most Pakistanis weddings are segregated.

peace
 
Salaam

Most Pakistanis weddings are segregated.

peace

in what way brother? men on one side and women on the other, both sides gazin across? then you have the bride and groom sitting on a unsegragated sofa on a stage for everyone to look at

Honestly bro I've never heard of one, I'll be going to a segregated memon/gujji wedding today that will be the first hopefully 'islamic' wedding i'll be goin to
 
Segregated weddings rock because it means that 1. the women can remove their hijabs and get all dressed up and 2. we can dance!!!

Maybe this intolerant bigot doesn't realise that segregation makes a wedding much more entertaining. Otherwise, to have a halal mixed wedding we wouldn't be able to dress up or dance! It would pretty much be some kind of dinner party...
 
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The Muslim wedding, British manners and the Minister who walked out.

Politics.co.uk carries this report on Jim Fitzpatrick, the Minister for Food, Farming and Environment, who walked out of a Muslim marriage ceremony in his constituency, apparently in a state of shock that men and women would be segregated and sit apart.

Our guest blogger, Shelina Zahra Janmohamed, author of Love in a Headscarf, argues, with justification, that Fitzpatrick was extremely rude to the couple in question. What do you think?

Shelina writes:
Fitzpatrick's constituency, Poplar and Canning Town, includes Tower Hamlets which has a 35 per cent Bangladeshi Muslim population. He claims, rather surprisingly, that he was unaware of the custom of segregation at Muslim weddings. It worries me that the representative of a ward where a large minority are Muslim is completely ignorant of this tradition. I'm even more shocked that he is proud to profess his ignorance. Whether he likes or dislikes the custom is a different matter: surely he ought to be aware of how a significant chunk of his community conduct a central event in their personal lives. What else is he ignorant of?

Let's start with the meaning of integration. Fitzpatrick says that separate seating for men and women is stopping integration. Yet here is a family who only knows him through a friend and possibly as their MP, inviting him to their most important day. That to me is reaching out and encouraging integration.

Then we can move onto good manners. Weddings have always been a very personal matter and as with all occasions, there is etiquette which the guests must follow. If there is one thing that the British can truly pride themselves on, it is (or at least used to be) excellent manners. We know how to respond to invitations, use the right cutlery, queue in line. In fact many a book over the centuries has been written on developing the right social graces. The bride and groom are under no obligation as to who they invite to the wedding, and to be invited at all is a great honour. And at a time when budgets are tighter than ever, and weddings are becoming increasingly expensive, it is a real privilege to be invited to someone's wedding.

I feel very sad for the bride and groom that their special day has been hijacked by a rude ungracious guest who decided that their personal choices for the day were not to his taste.

But here is the rub of Fitzpatrick's ignorance. Segregated weddings are extremely commonplace and have been so for decades. Only a handful of the many Muslim weddings I have attended in my life have not been segregated. And this is not just the case in Britain but all over the world. Women have their own celebrations, as do the men, and both of these are incredibly joyful vibrant occasions. A half-Iraqi half-English Muslim friend who married a British born Bangladeshi had her marriage celebration for women only, and enjoyed it thoroughly. Her husband is delighted that the women got to "let their hair down" (literally in some cases of hijab-wearers). A wedding I attended in Bahrain of a minor royal was held in a glamorous marquee catering for a thousand people. Nine hundred and ninety nine were women. The groom popped in briefly to give his bride the ring.

If we look closer to home, segregation is still prevalent in other wedding traditions too. Some orthodox Jewish marriages are segregated. And we still hold dear to our separation of the stag night and hen do. Would Fitzpatrick have wanted to take his wife along on a drunken weekend in Prague?

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Islam is a brutal, degraded, and degrading, sexist, and racist shame of a religion. No public official should dignify it by attending any of its ceremonies.

Posted by: Jennifer Aaron
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Bla bla bla bla bla. She is clearly full of crap and speaks rubbish. =)
 
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