Khawaarij or not?

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What is the proof that so called "Islamic State" are from the khawaarij? Arent they trying to implement the sharia law?

Is there any proof that they make takfeer on those who commit major sins?
 
You are the first person who disagree to this truth of them being khawarij...
 
azc said:
You are the first person who disagree to this truth of them being khawarij...
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Not really, I am just asking for proofs.

What is the proof that they make takfeer on major sins?
 
azc said:
You are the first person who disagree to this truth of them being khawarij...
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I am just curious, why all these Arab countries who fight "Islamic State" reject sharia law? Are they more Islamic?
 
Abdullah910 said:
I am just curious, why all these Arab countries who fight "Islamic State" reject sharia law? Are they more Islamic?
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even al qaeda is fighting against IS after disowning them for being too extreme, it is not a matter of sharia law....also, the other rebel groups in syria (islamists included) are against them. ISIS has violated the sharia by the killing of civilians, which is prohibited in the sunnah

https://islamqa.info/en/248850
 
Mustafa16 said:
even al qaeda is fighting against IS after disowning them for being too extreme, it is not a matter of sharia law....also, the other rebel groups in syria (islamists included) are against them. ISIS has violated the sharia by the killing of civilians, which is prohibited in the sunnah

https://islamqa.info/en/248850
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What is the proof that they kill women and children?

Narrated As-Sab bin Jathama : the prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack Al-Mushrikun warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The prophet replied, “They (i.e., women and children) are from them (i.e., Al-Mushrikun).” (The book of Jihad #3012, p157)
 
Abdullah910 said:
What is the proof that they kill women and children?

Narrated As-Sab bin Jathama : the prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack Al-Mushrikun warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The prophet replied, “They (i.e., women and children) are from them (i.e., Al-Mushrikun).” (The book of Jihad #3012, p157)
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the tafseer on that hadeeth is that killing by accident is allowed. ISIS kills on purpose. And they dont just kill the mushrikeen, they also kill Muslims. the proof is that they claim responsibility, and the attackers claim to be a part of ISIS.
 
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the tafseer on that hadeeth is that killing by accident is allowed. ISIS kills on purpose. And they dont just kill the mushrikeen, they also kill Muslims. the proof is that they claim responsibility, and the attackers claim to be a part of ISIS.
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Which Muslims do they kill? Those who fight them? Apostates?
 
Abdullah910 said:
Which Muslims do they kill? Those who fight them? Apostates?
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again, even if they are killing the mushrikeen, or the atheists and Christians in Europe, they can not deliberately ​target civilians. also, they kill syrian rebels who fight against assad, islamists included. they also do suicide bombings in muslim countries in places like crowded bazaars (marketplaces).
 
If you want to know the real nature of daesh, you better ask it from those people whose have managed to escape under their rule. Or ask it from those their victims in the other countries.
 
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If you want to know the real nature of daesh, you better ask it from those people whose have managed to escape under their rule. Or ask it from those their victims in the other countries.
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Like for example who?

How do we know these people are telling the truth? They could be paid.
 
Abdullah910 said:
Which Muslims do they kill? Those who fight them? Apostates?
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you mean the Muslims who fight against them are apostates...? This is the proof that they are khawarij.... Who are you...? What is your purpose to join this forum..?
 
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azc said:
you mean the Muslims who fight against them are apostates...? This is proof they are khawarij.... Who are you...? What is your purpose to join this forum..?
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So all these Arab countries who fight them are Muslim? What about Arab rulers, are they Muslim too?
 
Abdullah910 said:
What is the proof that so called "Islamic State" are from the khawaarij? Arent they trying to implement the sharia law?

Is there any proof that they make takfeer on those who commit major sins?
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What do you consider as evidence? After reading your responses on this thread, I suspect the only evidence you will believe is your own eyes - so why not fly out there and see for yourself? :D

Scimi
 
Scimitar said:
What do you consider as evidence? After reading your responses on this thread, I suspect the only evidence you will believe is your own eyes - so why not fly out there and see for yourself? :D

Scimi
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I would like to live in an Islamic State under sharia law, only not sure if this khilafah is valid or not.
 
Scimitar said:
What do you consider as evidence? After reading your responses on this thread, I suspect the only evidence you will believe is your own eyes - so why not fly out there and see for yourself? :D

Scimi
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I don't think you will get to this guy. Back in 2014 when they just had risen, i was skeptic. In that time i just learned about prisoners captured during war by Muslims and what rights they(prisoners) had over the Muslims. I saw a video of ISIS guys had captured i believe some Shia-Muslims and i saw one ISIS guy hitting a prisoner. I said immediately THIS IS NOT ISLAM.. what he just did. With that i had taken one step away from them. The following months they BY THEIR actions showed more of their actions that have nothing to do with Islam, but more against Islamic teachings. We are soon going to enter the third year of them becoming a fact. The person who has not already branded them as khawarij, for sure is misguided and full of hatred. This guy i also have much doubts you will able to convince him either way. Especially the ones that have hatred inside them, will use excuses to pardon somebody's action although those actions are very clearly AGAINST Islam.

I even have the feeling that ISIS for sure must be a Zionists creation. As to Muslims we know of the end times and that we must join the black flags with Mahdi and such. So they know also, however this Zionists creation thinking all the Muslims are sheeps and with that majority can be wiped out. However they plan and Allah plans and Allah is the best of planners. With ISIS i have seen rather cleansing of the Muslims from hypocrites and extremists. Also Muslims who were just culture-Muslims many have become more practicing and studying the deen.

Anyways, it is futile i believe with this guy, if he himself has not searched for the signs of the khawarij and what they do all this time. Is either already a ISIS member trying to gather people to join him, or some spy to trap Muslims and do something against this forum. As on this forum much is being discussed. if this forum is brought down they will off course ask for all the data to browse through.
 
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