Something which I came across:
018.025
YUSUFALI: So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more)
PICKTHAL: And (it is said) they tarried in their Cave three hundred years and add nine.
SHAKIR: And they remained in their cave three hundred years and (some) add (another) nine.
In the above ayat in surat Kahf, it says how many years the companions of the cave stayed inside the cave, but I never got what it meant when it said to add nine, and the translation at the bottom of my Quran said by the lunar calender, so they stayed 300 normal years and 309 years according to the Islamic calender. So I did some math: 300 years times 365 days= 109500 days. There are 354.37 days in the Islamic calender according to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar, so 354.37 days times 309 years=109500. But there is only one problem: people then didnt know it takes 365 days for the earth to rotate around the sun, but the Quran got it right.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Proof Quran is from God. Reply with quote
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But there is only one problem: people then didnt know it takes 365 days for the earth to rotate around the sun, but the Quran got it right.
I'm not even going to talk about the half asses interpretation and the logical fallacies you just committed in your short post.But I would say this ;
You just proved that Julius Caesar (Pbuh) was a prophet of god.
He introduced the Julian calendar in 46 BC, It has a regular year of 365 days divided into 12 months, and a leap day is added to February every four years. Hence the Julian year is on average 365.25 days long.
oh and you get one (muzzi points) for that
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Here's some more proof of the Quran being from God, it says so in the Quran (!)
Seriously, good luck using coincidences (in this case-failing-thanks to our dear above poster) to try and base your faith on.
Anything to make you sleep easier at night and to silence your conscience for another few hours.
Take care, and remember, the answer is always waiting for you should you seek it.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Since the Qur'an never says anywhere that there are 365 days in the year... what exactly are you imagining that it "got right?" Again?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Proof Quran is from God. Reply with quote
A_Submitter,
How do you interpret 18:25 in light of 18:22? In 18:22, it seems like different humans had different opinions regarding the number, and most of those opinions were wrong. Anyway how many individuals were there? And were some of those opinions 3, 4, ..8 individuals wrong?
Also, based on 18:25, it seems that the quran is either skeptical of both the 300 and 309. Alternatively, the quran believes that it was 300 years, accepting the solar number of years. So why do some muslims follow the lunar calendar?
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18.22] (Some) say: (They are) three, the fourth of them being their dog; and (others) say: Five, the sixth of them being their dog, making conjectures at what is unknown; and (others yet) say: Seven, and the eighth of them is their dog. Say: My Lord best knows their number, none knows them but a few; therefore contend not in the matter of them but with an outward contention, and do not question concerning them any of them.
[18.23] And do not say of anything: Surely I will do it tomorrow,
[18.24] Unless Allah pleases; and remember your Lord when you forget and say: Maybe my Lord will guide me to a nearer course to the right than this.
[18.25] And they remained in their cave three hundred years and (some) add (another) nine.
18.26] Say: Allah knows best how long they remained; to Him are (known) the unseen things of the heavens and the earth; how clear His sight and how clear His hearing! There is none to be a guardian for them besides Him, and He does not make any one His associate in His Judgment.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
FinallyFree wrote:
Seriously, good luck using coincidences (in this case-failing-thanks to our dear above poster) to try and base your faith on.
FinallyFree,
Coincidences! Right. Very good point. I appreciate you.
Now, a question:-
How many coincidences make a thing miracle!?
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Lincoln wrote:
How many coincidences make a thing miracle!?
You can sum all the zeroes you want, and the sum will still be zero.
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THHuxley_redux wrote:
Lincoln wrote:
How many coincidences make a thing miracle!?
You can sum all the zeroes you want, and the sum will still be zero.
Thanks a lot for coincidences at last got its worth. Interestingly zero is the single most important mathematical digit! Coincidence!
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Lincoln wrote:
Women are liers, corrupt, greedy, and unvirtuous. (Manu II 1)
you mean liars ?
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Lincoln wrote:
Interestingly zero is the single most important mathematical digit!
We must be grateful to the Hindus for having invented it.
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If the Quran is from god,this god is really one heck of a f@cked up individual...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Proof Quran is from God. Reply with quote
A_submitter wrote:
018.025
YUSUFALI: So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more)
PICKTHAL: And (it is said) they tarried in their Cave three hundred years and add nine.
SHAKIR: And they remained in their cave three hundred years and (some) add (another) nine.
Like most alleged miracles this one is easily explained.
The Arabs had a lunar calendar.
Because this calendar was short of a solar year by about 11 days a thirteenth month was added about every 3 years.
The Quran banned this.
Who ever was maintaining the local calendar would have pointed out that this would mean 100 solar years would equal 103 Quran years.
So 300 years becomes 309 Quranic years.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Proof Quran is from God. Reply with quote
Aceology wrote:
A_submitter wrote:
But there is only one problem: people then didnt know it takes 365 days for the earth to rotate around the sun, but the Quran got it right.
I'm not even going to talk about the half asses interpretation and the logical fallacies you just committed in your short post. But I would say this ; You just proved that Julius Caesar (Pbuh) was a prophet of god.
He introduced the Julian calendar in 46 BC, It has a regular year of 365 days divided into 12 months, and a leap day is added to February every four years. Hence the Julian year is on average 365.25 days long.
oh and you get one (muzzi points) for that
I agree Aceology. Julius lived more than 700 years before the time of Paedophile Prophet Muhammad. This makes Julius the true Prophet of God. I urge Muslims to start praying to Julius. You also proved that Aceology is superior to Quranology.
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Lincoln wrote:
Women are liers, corrupt, greedy, and unvirtuous. (Manu II 1)
Manu is not a religious book. It is a book of laws. But today's Indian law is not entirely based on Manu. Many of Manu's laws have been abbrogated by the Indian Constitution and updated laws.
According to Manu's law widows are not allowed to marry, divorce is not permitted and men can have more than 1 wife. But according to the modern Indian law; widows can remarry, divorce is legal and men cannot have more than 1 wife.
Hindus have progressed beyond archaic laws but Muslims are still mired in the barbaric laws of the Quran. That is the difference between the civilized countries of Hindus, Christians and Jews on one hand and the barabaric countries of Dar-e-Islam.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Lincoln wrote:
Women are liers, corrupt, greedy, and unvirtuous. (Manu II 1)
Paedophile Prophet Muhammad said, "women are deficient in intelligence. Only place for women is hell and their only fate is to burn in hell."
In every Muslim country, the testimony of a woman is worth half as much as that of a man. This is how Muslims respect women by treating them like idiots.
Everyday, some girl is killed or her face burnt with acid by religious Muslims for going to school in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Muslims believe that education is important? Sometimes girls and women are buried and shot for going to school. This happened in Peshawar.
The hypocricy of this Muslim is astounding. He criticizes Hindus while ignoring the crimes committed by hardcore religious Muslims against women. Here is a follower of Paedophile Prophet Muhammad criticizing Hindus. It is rich.
It is sanctioned by Islam, for old Muslim men to marry children and have sex with little girls and he criticizes Hindus. It is pathetic and shameless.
