Leader of Foreign Mujahideen Martyred

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Chechnya said:
Salam Bro

I am NOT Chechen - i thought i had made that clear before!:happy:

I chose the username because i wanted to highlight a cause that has been largely forgotten - first i was going to chose the name "kashmir" but in the end i chose "chechnya" instead.

Which part of Chechnya are you from, bro Chechen?
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Wa aleykum assalam

I'm sorry I thought you were a Chechen
I'm new to the forum so I didn't know. Sorry again.
I come from Stariye Atagi but lived in Grozny.
Anyways as a Chechen I'd like to thank you for what you're doing. You defend our cause with so much energy that I was convinced you were Chechen. And where do you come from then?
 
Its Ok Bro, its my fault for not making it clear :)

Im from England, i know a bit about the situation in Chechnya becaue of a couple of Chechen brothers who first started telling me about it, also i have spoken to a couple of journalists who have covered the war their and read about their experiences.

Stariye Atagi is near Grozny isnt it? I remember reading a sad news article about something that happened their. imsad
May Allah (swt) protect all our brothers and sisters over their.

You speak good English bro, do you live in the UK now?

Salam
 
Chechnya said:
and now you have broken your silence unfortunately it is you who has turned into the one who rambles without knowing what he's talking about...
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Actually I know quite well about what I am speaking. I know enough to recognize the unfortunate pieces of propaganda and biased opinions that are being masqueraded as facts.

Chechnya said:
erm...he has never visited Russia.
He has visited the independant republic of Ichkeria run by the ELECTED president
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The republic of Ichkeria is a subject(territory) of Russia. It is not recognized as independant by any legitimate government in the world. The taliban have recognized them, but we all know that they are not legit.
 
Chechnya said:
Its Ok Bro, its my fault for not making it clear :)

Im from England, i know a bit about the situation in Chechnya becaue of a couple of Chechen brothers who first started telling me about it, also i have spoken to a couple of journalists who have covered the war their and read about their experiences.

Stariye Atagi is near Grozny isnt it? I remember reading a sad news article about something that happened their. imsad
May Allah (swt) protect all our brothers and sisters over their.

You speak good English bro, do you live in the UK now?

Salam
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Ok I see how come you know a lot about the war. Cause before I tought you were a Chechen cause you actually knew so much about the war. Well I guess everything is sort of close to eachother cause Chechnya is a pretty small country. And I don't live in the UK I live in the south of France in a city called Nice.

Salam
 
SilentObserver said:
Actually I know quite well about what I am speaking. I know enough to recognize the unfortunate pieces of propaganda and biased opinions that are being masqueraded as facts.

Uh not only are you not Chechen but you've never been there and you're sitting somewhere thousands of miles away from there. How are you so sure that you know very well about it?

The republic of Ichkeria is a subject(territory) of Russia. It is not recognized as independant by any legitimate government in the world. The taliban have recognized them, but we all know that they are not legit.
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The 2 countries that have recognized Chechnya's independance are Afghanistan and Estonia cause all the other countries are scared because they depend on Russian gaz and if they dare say a word against Russia then they're in deep trouble. And I remember seeing somewhere that it's been historically proven that the Chechens existed 3000 years before the Russians. So how could Chechnya and the Chechens belong to Russia?
 
SilentObserver said:
If by jihad you mean violence against others, then no. No it is not.
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As a Christian and follower of Jesus Christ I'm inclined to agree with this statement. However, there is a major difference between being a pacifist and being roadkill. Yes, the massacre at Beslan was a horrible act of evil and cowardice. One must also understand the terrible evil inflicted upon the Chechen people by the Russian government. I do believe that violent action can be justified in certain circumstances, and going only on what I've read about the Chechen conflict, the Chechen people needed someone to defend them. Unfortunately, the "jihadist" has done more damage than defense in many cases.
 
Keltoi said:
As a Christian and follower of Jesus Christ I'm inclined to agree with this statement. However, there is a major difference between being a pacifist and being roadkill. Yes, the massacre at Beslan was a horrible act of evil and cowardice. One must also understand the terrible evil inflicted upon the Chechen people by the Russian government. I do believe that violent action can be justified in certain circumstances, and going only on what I've read about the Chechen conflict, the Chechen people needed someone to defend them. Unfortunately, the "jihadist" has done more damage than defense in many cases.
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Terrible evil. Which? The moving of chechen population to Siberia during the Second World War? Should they have been left to help the Nazis? I realize that as it turned out the germans never made it that far. But if the chechen rebels that were interwoven in the population had been allowed to stay, the soviet forces would have been distracted from the germans by them. The Germans would have seen this, the war, and the world, might have ended up alot differently than it did. The Russians played a bigger role in the Second World War than what they are given credit for.
 
Chechen said:
Why wouldn't it be?
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While I of course support my Muslim brothers and sisters around the world, I read on this site actually that Jihad is not permitted when a state(Russia) is oppressing a Muslim group within that state(Checnya). And that group is called to move to a neighbouring Muslim country if they can. Which is different than say in Afghanistan or Palestine where a Muslim country was attacked by outsiders. One could even say this was case in Bosnia.
 
While I of course support my Muslim brothers and sisters around the world, I read on this site actually that Jihad is not permitted when a state(Russia) is oppressing a Muslim group within that state(Checnya). And that group is called to move to a neighbouring Muslim country if they can. Which is different than say in Afghanistan or Palestine where a Muslim country was attacked by outsiders. One could even say this was case in Bosnia.
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Jihad is an obligation when Muslims are under attack - it is the right of every Muslim to protect his home, his family, his land.

Im not sure i understand you correctly, are you saying that they should die quietly and not resist the slaughter, rape, torture etc?

Chechnya is an independent state anyway and not subject to Russia nor any other state.

Maybe your source is from an Arab site - if so i understand its pathetic nature, most Arabs seem to think Jihad is strapping a bomb to yourself and walking into a cafe and blowing yourself up...maybe they are embarrased that this small nation has shown the true meaning of jihad, almost all of them fight toe to toe against the Russian scum, almost all the main leaders have now become shaheed which shows their sincerity in fighting from the front - dodgy groups in the Arab world like Hamas should take the Chechen struggle as an example instead of betraying them and not recognising them...
 
New_Muslim said:
While I of course support my Muslim brothers and sisters around the world, I read on this site actually that Jihad is not permitted when a state(Russia) is oppressing a Muslim group within that state(Checnya). And that group is called to move to a neighbouring Muslim country if they can. Which is different than say in Afghanistan or Palestine where a Muslim country was attacked by outsiders. One could even say this was case in Bosnia.
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Salam brother

I really don't see why we should leave our lands and move somewhere else...
Chechnya is Chechen land and nobody elses land and we will fight and die to protect it and defend what we love. Let the whole world forget us and go against us which is happening right now but we will continue fighting. I don't see in what the Russians are better than us to just come to our country and spend hundreds of years stealing our lands, wiping out our people by murdering our men, children, elders and raping our women, burning our houses etc. Russia has always been invading other peoples lands. The only lands that originally belonged to Russia is the region of Moscow and the rest has been invaded. We Chechens are strong fighters and aren't afraid of death. The Russians should have looked at our history. Nobody has ever managed to beat us. The Romans arrived and we beat them. Ghenghis Khan arrived and we beat him. Tamerlan arrived and we beat him. And now the Russians arrived and we have been fighting them for 400 years and they the biggest and one of the most powerful countries in the world haven't managed to beat one of the smallest countries in the world. We will be slaves to no one but Allah and Insha Allah we will win the war soon and will be able to return to our homeland. I have respect for my muslim brothers and sisters but I honestly will tell you the truth. I think Arabs are cowards and traitors( not all of course but most) because they have betrayed the Chechen people just because they're scared of Russia. I hope our future victory will show everyone that no matter how much bigger or stronger your enemy is, the one that is the invader can never win.
 
Chechen said:
Salam brother

I really don't see why we should leave our lands and move somewhere else...
Chechnya is Chechen land and nobody elses land and we will fight and die to protect it and defend what we love. Let the whole world forget us and go against us which is happening right now but we will continue fighting. I don't see in what the Russians are better than us to just come to our country and spend hundreds of years stealing our lands, wiping out our people by murdering our men, children, elders and raping our women, burning our houses etc. Russia has always been invading other peoples lands. The only lands that originally belonged to Russia is the region of Moscow and the rest has been invaded. We Chechens are strong fighters and aren't afraid of death. The Russians should have looked at our history. Nobody has ever managed to beat us. The Romans arrived and we beat them. Ghenghis Khan arrived and we beat him. Tamerlan arrived and we beat him. And now the Russians arrived and we have been fighting them for 400 years and they the biggest and one of the most powerful countries in the world haven't managed to beat one of the smallest countries in the world. We will be slaves to no one but Allah and Insha Allah we will win the war soon and will be able to return to our homeland. I have respect for my muslim brothers and sisters but I honestly will tell you the truth. I think Arabs are cowards and traitors( not all of course but most) because they have betrayed the Chechen people just because they're scared of Russia. I hope our future victory will show everyone that no matter how much bigger or stronger your enemy is, the one that is the invader can never win.
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I stand corrected in my position on the issue. May Allah guide you to victory over the Russians.
 

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