[glo]

I wonder if some of you can help me here.
Please don't let this thread escalate into hatemongering or nasty exchanges - thank you!

I read this article recently, stating that the "Muslim Council of Britain, the country's largest Islamic organization, [has decided] to end its boycott of Holocaust Day held on 27 January every year" (Quote from http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/6469)

The article also states that "until the decision was made by the Muslim council, British Islamic community representatives were seen to have distanced themselves from ceremonies marking the mass murder of about six million Jews during the Second World War."

Whilst I applaud the decision in the name of friendship and mutual understanding, I was not aware of any such trend in the Muslim community to 'boycott Holocaust Memorial Day' ...
Can anybody tell me a little more about this?

Thanks in advance.

 

[glo]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

Does nobody have any Information on this?

 

[Talha777]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

It's a good decision. The nazi holocaust happened decades ago, but there is a holocaust going on right now being committed by america and many european nations against the muslims. Until this holocaust is acknowledged, why should Muslims have to continue to cry about nazi germany that has nothing do with us and completely ignores our suffering which is much worse.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

It's a good decision. The nazi holocaust happened decades ago, but there is a holocaust going on right now being committed by america and many european nations against the muslims. Until this holocaust is acknowledged, why should Muslims have to continue to cry about nazi germany that has nothing do with us and completely ignores our suffering which is much worse.

Why do non-muslims cry about Palestine. why do they cry about Guantanamo? Iraq? Afghanistan? it as compleetly nothing to do with them. they cry about it because they're humans and, as it seems, so are the muslim counselors of Briatin.

our suffering which is much worse.

Erm...lol.:giggling:

 

[Talha777]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

Why do non-muslims cry about Palestine. why do they cry about Guantanamo? Iraq? Afghanistan?

What a lie. If non-Muslims cared about the suffering and genocide against Muslims so much it would end tomorrow. America is supposedly the strongest nation on Earth, why do majority of americans vote for a government that perpetuates massacred against innocent Muslims. Give me a break non-Muslims care about Muslims that is the biggest joke I ever heard. Non-Muslims hate Muslims and our religion, and it brings a smile to their face when they see Muslims being killed by Israel and America and NATO.

 

[glo]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

It's a good decision. The nazi holocaust happened decades ago, but there is a holocaust going on right now being committed by america and many european nations against the muslims. Until this holocaust is acknowledged, why should Muslims have to continue to cry about nazi germany that has nothing do with us and completely ignores our suffering which is much worse.

Six million Jews were murdered during the Second World War.
I am German myself, so that atrocity sits pretty deep! (Incidentally, Holocaust denial is against the law in Germany - that's not to accuse anybody here of being a Holocaust denier, but to demonstrate how serious an issue this is in Germany)

My reason for starting this thread, however, was not to start a debate about whose suffering is greater etc, but to find out if anybody can tell me more about a 'Muslim boycott of Holocaust memorial Day'.
Does anybody know if there really is such a boycott, officially?
And if so, how did it come about? Where does it stem from?

I must admit that I am bewildered by the concept. From a purely human perspective I would hope that we can all empathize with human suffering, and that we would want to express that by sharing and remembering with others who suffer ...

Does any one group of humans deserve to suffer???

Peace on Earth, and Goodwill to all mankind

 

[Talha777]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

but to find out if anybody can tell me more about a 'Muslim boycott of Holocaust memorial Day'.
Does anybody know if there really is such a boycott, officially?
And if so, how did it come about? Where does it stem from?

This is the question I answered. This is actually an old issue. Muslim Council of Britain made this decision to boycott Holocaust Memorial Day because it is used as a justification for the state of israel to steal land of muslims, and because it is not Islamic to give so much importance to a holocaust that happened to non-muslims decades ago while there is a holocaust going on right now against muslims which is even worse.

 

[Jayda]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

lol glo you remind me of a dutch friend i met on CF ...as a total aside i really wish i could somehow set her up with a friend of mine, they'd be such a cute couple!

*sigh* frustrations, frustrations...

 

[glo]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

This is the question I answered. This is actually an old issue. Muslim Council of Britain made this decision to boycott Holocaust Memorial Day because it is used as a justification for the state of israel to steal land of muslims, and because it is not Islamic to give so much importance to a holocaust that happened to non-muslims decades ago while there is a holocaust going on right now against muslims which is even worse.

Thank you, Talha777

I had not noticed an answer to my original question in your previous replies, but this one is clear.
Do you have any links on the history behind this? Such as, when the decision was made? I would much appreciate it.

As to your rep comment, I would still very much like to think of you as a brother in humanity, and as my 'neighbour' in the Biblical sense - despite our differences in faith.

Salam, brother.

 

[Jayda]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

oookaaaay....

 

[glo]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

Talha, can I then call you a friend?

 

[Jayda]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

vielleicht er hattet einen schlecten Tag?

 

[Keltoi]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

Talha, can I then call you a friend?

I'll be your brother Glo!

 

[north_malaysian]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

When people talk about holocaust... they would say the victims are 6 millions Jews...

How about the:

Soviet POWs - 3,300,000
Belarusians - 2,230,000
Poles - 1,800,000
Gypsies - 1,500,000
Anti-Hitler Germans - 1,500,000
Serbs - 600,000
Disabled - 400,000
Freemasons - 200,000
Spanish POWs - 16,000
Gays - 15,000
Jehovah's Witnesses - 15,000

There were Muslim victims too among the Gypsies and Serbs.

In fact many Muslims (Albanians, Turks and Bosniaks) risking themselves by helping the Jews to get out from Europe in that time....

 

[Talha777]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

Look how Muslims were massacred in Yugoslavia. If Hitler were alive today he would be killed, but the Muslim hitler (Slobodan Milosevich) whose hands are soacked with Muslim blood is leading a comfortable life. This is why we Muslims should boycott their "holocaust memorials" and completely stop commemorating the genocide of non-Muslims until the kuffar stop the genocides against the Muslims first.

 

[north_malaysian]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

Muslims who saved the Jews during Nazi Occupation:

Abdol Hussain Sardari (Iranian)

• Iranian diplomat in Paris
• convinced Nazi officials that all Iranian Jews are ethnic Persians.
• issued 500 blank Iranian passports for Non Iranian Jews.

Selahattin Ulkumen (Turkish)

• Turkish diplomat in Rhodes, Greece
• convinced Nazi officials that all Turkish Jews in Rhodes are ethnic Turks.
• saved more than 200 Jews (including Italian and Greek Jews) from being sent to death camps.
• instructed and assisted all Jews in Rhodes to migrate to Turkey by smallboats.
• secured the release of 39 Greek and Turk boatmen who helped Italian soldiers to refuge in Turkey after German occupation from death punishment.

Namik Kemal Yolga (Turkish)

• Vice-Consul of Turkish Embassy in Paris.
• saved all Turkish Jews, excluding one who was living in Bordeaux and unknown to the embassy.

Necdet Kent (Turkish)

• Consul General in Marsailles.
• gave Turkish citizenship to dozens of Turkish Jews who did not have proper identity papers.
• got on a Nazi train which held 80 Turkish Jews and saved them from being sent to death camps.

Khaled Abdelwahhab (Tunisian)

• hid two dozens of Jews in his farm at Mahdia for 4 month until Nazi occupation ended.

Saide Arifova (Crimean Tatar)

• saved more than 88 Crimean Jews
• forged documents by concealing Jewish children ethnicity in a kindergarten and orphanage in Kerch.

Ali Sheqer Pashkaj (Albanian)

• saved Albanian Jews in his village.

More than 70 Muslims have received the Righteous Among the Nations award from Yad Vashem, about 63 of them are Albanians.

Many Albanians who saved the Jews during Nazi occupation are devout Muslims and referred to the Koran, when were asked why they saved the Jews.

 

[north_malaysian]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

More Muslims who saved the Jews...

Si Ali Sakkat (Tunisian)

• hid 60 Jewish internees escaped from an Axis labour camp in Tunis until the end of occupation.

Si Kaddour Benghabrit (French)

• Rector of Great Mosque of Paris
• saved 100 Jews by having the mosque's personnel give them certificates of Muslim identity.

Sultan Muhammad V (Moroccan)

• provided moral support and practical helps to Jewish subjects.

Bey of Tunis (Tunisian)

• provided moral support and practical helps to Jewish subjects.

Mosque preachers of Algiers (Algerians)

• mosque preachers gave Friday semons forbidding believers from serving as conservators of confiscated Jewish properties.

source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/06/AR2006100601417.html

 

[Eric H]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

Greetings and peace be with you north_malaysian;

Thank you for reminding us that Muslims risked their lives to help others despite their differences.. I have a greater sense of the spirit of God working when we help someone we could possibly look on as an enemy. The power of the Good Samaritan comes to mind.

There are Jewish and Christian peacemakers supporting the Palestinians.

It just makes so much sense to me that we should support and care for each other despite all our differences. If we have a faith in God then we cannot deny that the same God created us all despite all our differences.

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship,

Eric

 

[glo]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

When people talk about holocaust... they would say the victims are 6 millions Jews...

How about the:

Soviet POWs - 3,300,000
Belarusians - 2,230,000
Poles - 1,800,000
Gypsies - 1,500,000
Anti-Hitler Germans - 1,500,000
Serbs - 600,000
Disabled - 400,000
Freemasons - 200,000
Spanish POWs - 16,000
Gays - 15,000
Jehovah's Witnesses - 15,000

There were Muslim victims too among the Gypsies and Serbs.

In fact many Muslims (Albanians, Turks and Bosniaks) risking themselves by helping the Jews to get out from Europe in that time....

Greetings north malaysian

You make a good point. Many people from many ethnic, religious and other groups died during the Nazi regime - and their suffering should be recognised just the same.

Is your post an argument for Muslims to join in Holocaust Memorial Day - knowing that not just Jews, but people from other groups and faiths (including Muslims) died too?
Would a memorial day be more worthy or meaningful, if it remembered 'your own people' rather than 'people from other groups'?

Talha's posts reflect the thinking I read about in my original article, that the world should remember all genocides, including the ones which happened more recently than WWII.

There are about 1.6 million Muslims living in Britain and until the decision was made by the Muslim council, British Islamic community representatives were seen to have distanced themselves from ceremonies marking the mass murder of about six million Jews during the Second World War. Some asserted that the title of the commemoration should be Genocide Memorial Day, thus allowing for the public to remember genocides other than the one organized by German dictator Adolf Hitler and his Nazi party.

Peace

 

[glo]

Re: Muslim boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

Thank you for your accounts of Muslims saving Jews, Malaysia.

It is always very heartening to hear when people cross the line to help a fellow human being.

Peace