Losing hope

[Serinity]

We know the wrongdoing is attributed to the wrongdoer. Allah created the immorality and brought it about. What you're suggesting is "Allah sits back" and other forces create what occurs and decide the matters, that there are partners who are making these decisions and bringing them about. Shaitan has no power over people, it is Allah who is called Jabbar. He is literally forcing whatever exists, to say otherwise is to say "They decide, Allah does not decide, They choose, Allah does not choose" and its in complete contradiction to even the Qur'an and what I've quoted from it.

No I am not. Stop assuming. Yes Allah created immorality, but Allah does not do it.

you're assuming about me lies. I reject whatever you say of falsehood about me. Allah is my witness. I see you confused.

PLease just STOP assuming lies about me, you take one word from me, and make up lies.

Take back what you said about me.

 

[Serinity]

So you're making a partner right there by what you're saying. You're saying that Allah doesn't make that so, that such an event occurs, but that Shaytaan decides it and does it and Allah didn't bring that about in every detail but Allah follows after Shaytaan and what Shaytaan wants to do and makes it happen after Shaytaan decides or wants to do something.

That is not what you believe, I am saying that is the implication inside of such statements.

Shaytaan has no power over people, Allah has power over everything. That Shaytaan urges or not is Allah bringing it about. It is Allah who is the puppet master, not Shaytaan who is just a puppet like us.

Just stop. I never said that.

Sigh..