Marriage on the Rocks - Need Advise

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Hi Tuoba, my husband is not an Arab man and I had good relationship with his parents. They understand that I am from a different culture and upbringing so they were patient with me and accepts me for who I am.

I only follow what I see. My husband is supposed to guide me so I feel that it is not fair for him to expect me to be a perfect Muslim when he himself does not show me what is right. I am not blaming him on that... I should have taken initiative as well.

I understand where you are coming from. But nevertheless, there are also a lot of adjustments I have done myself. Change is not overnight. But I am doing my best to make it happen.


Sister nice to hear that from you , If he is not arab why he wants you to learn arabic ? you should learn at least his mother tongue language is really strange

Please do what i told you before choose one day and invit him for a lunch or dinner as a friends and then try to earn his confidence to you back by showing him that you completley changed and you are a new women that he dreams of believe me the men are very weak when the woman start talking soft and having some changes even physically believe me it will work or keep your relationship with his parents and buy a gift for them visit them with your new character and behave and he will get your message so dont be lazy and do it and let me know INSHALLAH it will work , I will pray ALLAH SWT help you , I can feel you love him badly thats why you dont want to lose him , Im proud of you so fight for your love and i can feel that hes got something special makes you to love him like that so hes not a bad person as all other peoples mentioned otherwise you will not try and stick with him like that
 
salam

why are you making this about you?

sometimes i read the forum and wonder how people get themselves into and stay in these situations. why don't they just leave? for example if the topic is about the husband beating his wife ..i would say just leave.if the topic is about the husband drinking alcohol ..i would say just leave. if the topic is about the husband cheating ..i would say just leave.

this topic is about husband taking advantage of his wife,{ie. emotionally, financially, mentally etc} and he some how manages to point and say she is the problem.

you are like the other ladies in the other topics. you guys usually try to justify their actions and then even put the blame on yourselves.

you know what i tell myself after i read this? Maybe these ladies are so immersed in the problem they just don't see it. maybe other factors{ie children}

sis i really believe if you had the ability to remove yourself from the situation and watch it for yourself then you'd see what many of the forumer members are seeing. I don't believe this thread would even exist.... just a theory

anyways i don't know you or your husband and i'd like to add. i'm not a iman,scholar,marriage counselor, family member etc. I'd say go to these people first.i just wanted to give my two cents to your posts.

take care

w/salam

its very easy for a person that is not in any of these situations that you mentioned to say ''just leave'' some women do not have the courage to leave thats why they need support..thats why they come on this forum seeking help. in some cases when a woman goes to a scholar he cannot give her the emotional support that a woman needs in this situation
 
i'm not anogGender anymore. no point

Cats Eye

I know it's not that simple . of course its complicated. Thats why i tried to come up with reasons for why they stay with these guys. I even mentioned there could be other reasons influencing them to stay.

"Maybe these ladies are so immersed in the problem they just don't see it. maybe other factors{ie children}"



one more thing... i totally agree with you this place a great place to look for opinions i didn't say otherwise. i don't know why you are mentioning that
 
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nuryanna75

i see you are making a list out about everything thats you are doing wrong

Everyone makes mistakes and everyone is messed up to some degree.

but he is far more messed up then you based on your posts .

he says you should take islam more seriously and be a better muslim,,, yet he can't set a better example. for example...

really can you nagging him really compare to him abusing your money and collecting debts?
really can you teasing him really compare to him cheating on you?what gives him the right TO CHEAT
ETC
you can continue the list

Yes we all have faults and we should all improve ourselves. .And i'm not saying you should ignore your faults. OF course not. I'm just saying some faults should not be tolerated whatsoever..
 
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I am in a country where I do not have any relatives.
I am in a country where I do not have REAL friends to run to.
I am in a country where I am really alone.

I have been here for 5 years. Those 5 years were spent with him and his family. First few years of marriage are typically wonderful. We spent a lot of time together. Do things together. Eat together. I thought we were happy.

Despite who he is, I have tolerated it because he makes me happy and contented.

I appreciate all your effort and understanding. Posting what I feel here and reading your opinions help a lot.

But then again deep love and total emotional dependence is making it really difficult for me to leave and forget him. I cannot stand being alone. The pain is excruciating.
 
nuryanna75: Think of your future. Do you want to spend the rest of your life with someone who doesn't want you and mistreats you? Would it not be better, for your future, for your dignity and self-respect, to spend a little time alone and then marry someone who treats you well?

You mentioned you're working, and that you moved out. So it seems you're financially able to at least sustain yourself. That's a great start..now just place your trust in Allah swt. Think of all the things that are happening NOW. His infidelity, his secrets, his inability to financially support you. He's taking, taking and taking. What were you really getting from the relationship? The title of Mrs?

It's not going to be easy, but judging from what you've said...it definitely sounds better for your future.
 
:sl:sister i just read through your reply i think i can understand about the insensitive behavour. some men are actually really insecure about there looks and really sensitive believe me that teasing turns hearts extremely sour. the prophet mohammad saw teaches us not to do these stuff did you know that even if you are just joking it still is not a good trait to have. alot of men would not want that in a wife.

about the foreplay i can completely understand about that most women need it and cannot just jump right in to love making but men can. over all reading about his character he sounds like a good man but i can bet you he is just really confused right now and he thinks this other woman is going to make things better but its really not. its going to make him hell more confused because thats why your not hearing one word from him yet. you can not just come out of one marriage and walk into another so quick it dose not work like that.
 
Salam to all. Thank you for the replies and advises.

I have been trying and searching for a Sheik in my region to seek guidance from but I can't seem to get one. They are only available during work hours (9am to 6pm) and unable to accommodate after work hours.

I agree with some that my story might be biased towards me so most of us will have a conclusion that my husband is not worth it and maybe it is best that marriage has ended.

To answer tuoba, I will try to share the other side of the story and my response to them. My husband told me that he has been unhappy with me for a very long time and has resented a lot of things that I did and thinks that I will never change.

1. I grew up in a culture where it is normal to tease one another. Tease about someone's hairstyle, clothes, weight, almost about anything. And the delivery would always be an obvious way that it was a tease, a joke.
- My husband feels that I am criticising him by doing that
- With his friends doing the same and my husband never talked to me about it, I thought it was okay. But in reality, he has taken them all personally and thinks that I am insensitive.

2. I spoke to my husband before of the idea of us moving out from his parents and suggest living on our own.
- He said he is the eldest and he takes the responsibility of taking care of them when they are old so he feels that I did not consider that
- I did not mean that we leave them. My primary reason is for us to learn to be independent from them. It can be temporary, just for us to build our own foundation.
- I also want to experience the feeling of doing all the household chores for him. Living with his parents, we have the luxury of having almost anything very handy and having a maid do almost everything for us. My husband even hardly notices that there are things that are also done by me.
- I even have to compete cooking with his mother or the maid because he will always compare

3. I am a vocal person. I speak out whatever is inside my head. My parents brought me up to not be scared of dreaming or hoping for things. And work hard to have them if I really want to.
- I often tell my husband that one day, I want us to travel to different places. Or what are the things that I would like to have if we have the means. But I am not telling him that I want him to give that to me. I know that we are in debt, that we have bills to pay. I am not demanding anything from him.
- Again, he took things seriously. He feels pressured and says that I am asking too much from him
- He could not even think of anything that I REALLY asked from him to give or buy me. I do not possess anything extravagant. I do not spend my money on anything fancy. My only priceless possessions are those gifts he gave me long time ago. And I did not ask for anything more.

4. My husband says that I am not sincere in learning and practicing Islam
- Considering again the fact that I grew up with strong Christian background, I did have a lot of resistance in the past
- He initially told me that I do not have to convert but got caught in situation where I had no choice so the resistance got even worse
- I have attended the Basic Islam classes three times and I did not have the heart to learn to pray... but because I do want to be with him and I am very thankful I have a supportive family who accepts me for whatever I choose. The right time came and I converted.
- One issue he raised is my fasting during Ramadan. I have difficulty fulfilling it because of my stomach ulcer. He asks me to say the intention and I should be able to get through it. I have tried, God knows I sincerely tried but I really have medical condition. He feels that I am not exerting much effort.
- He also suggested that I go for Arabic classes so that I will learn how to read the Quran. I asked him if it is possible to learn and understand the Quran in English first. I asked him to be patient and make him understand that I am like a child that I have to take steps one at a time.
- He says that whatever I do, he is the one bearing my sins. Is asking for understanding to take small steps in Islam really that grave?
- If he looked through our years of marriage, he should have seen the progress I have made but it seems that all those did not matter.

5. Above issues bring us to him feeling that I disobey and disrespect him.
- He told me that in Islam, I should always listen and obey my husband. I should not question him and he has the right to go anywhere he wants and comes back anytime he wants.
- He often talks to me in an authoritative manner: "I am the husband" attitude. And so if he does that, I feel hurt and will in turn be stubborn. He even asks me to consult an Islamic teacher to justify what he told me. That I have not been a good Islamic wife.
- Which confuses me because after a few counseling from different Islamic groups, I realised how the Quran clearly states how the husband and wife should treat each other.
- I always ask him not to talk to me that way but he still does. We often end up being angry with each other - I will not talk to him and keep quiet - one, two days - and then we will be okay again.
- Having seen him talk to his parents the same way, I learned to accept that he is just who he. Unfortunately for him, when I keep quiet, he feels that I am teaching him a lesson and I am trying to change him. He does not seem to understand that it is painful for me if he talks to me that way.

6. He feels that I complain too much and I made making love a troublesome task for him
- During our Marriage Preparation Course, we were given a background on what are our responsibilities towards each other
- I also clearly remember that even if we are already married, we should try our best to make ourselves attractive for each other, that we should try to make our partner comfortable in bed, etc
- I do not like the smell of cigarette so I did ask for him to brush/clean up before he sleeps with me. Also, he does not agree in foreplay, which I constantly tells him I need it - so he feels that I am too demanding and making love becomes too laborious for him
- When I don't feel the urge to be in bed with him, he feels that I have taken him for granted. What about my need? I feel neglected too. I explained that we should compromise and learn to give and take but he hates it when I tell him what he should do.

These are the major reasons why he said he is divorcing me. He feels that I can no longer do anything about it and I will not change. Sorry if my further story will still make most of you swing to my side again.

But if we analyse the story, there is a major problem on communication and cultural differences which if properly addressed and discussed, we can still do something about it.

After the talaq, I have been constantly reading, seeking advice from teachers, sisters, religious groups to try to understand why can't he forgive me. The least he could have done is maybe seek advice from a Sheik or Islamic scholar as well. But he instead just turned his back and walked away.

I am just human. I make mistakes. But I can change and strive to be a better person. Even God knows how to forgive. Why can't he?

Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, what region are you from so that i may see if i can find a sheikh around your area?

My sister we acknowledge that divorce is one of the hardest things to go through in life but sometimes they are for the better and you are lucky that no children are involved.

Compatibility is a big factor in marriage and it seems that you and him were just not compatible in the long run.

It is not the end of the world sister it is better that you search for a good pious man who you are much more compatible with and who will truly love and care for you and be more gentle and understanding towards you and lead you to the right direction using wisdom.

Maybe this is a blessing for you in disguise because how could you have lived a wholelife time with him if you were having so many problems at this early stage in your marriage? What if children were involved then how much harder would it have been then?

This is a good time for you to develop as a Muslim and strengthen your faith in Islam. Learn much more about Islam and everything will become clearer to you about life and your purpose.

Also as ive mentioned it is best if you get proper scholarly advice about your situation as us lay people may not give you the best advice as to your next steps. So if you would tell me your region i would try my best to help you inshallah.
 
Dear Sis,
When I started reading your story, I almost thought I was reading details of my own situation. Almost everything is so similar. I worked 2 jobs to support my now ex-husband and was blamed for working too much and not seeing him enough. He started cheating on me about 8 months before he actually admitted to the affair. By the time he told me of the affair, his mistress was pregnant. She is due to have the baby in the spring. We are now divorced but my ex-husband still can't make up his mind what he wants to do. He wants to be with his child. He says if she gives him the child to raise, he will be with me and remarry me and if she keeps the child, he will be with her. Other than the issue of a baby, our stories are so similar. Although I don't have any great advice for you because I am going through this myself, I can only say that this experience has been a horrible emotional roller coaster for me. The fact that he has also been verbally and emotionally abusive to me during this time and continuing to blame me when I have tried everything to repair the situation has not helped me. I am also still paying his bills-I realize now that we are divorced I do not have to do this and I know I am enabling him to treat me this way, but a part of me can't help it because I still love him so much. I'm sorry I can't give you insight about what to do. I just wanted to let you know that you are not alone.imsad
 
i know its easy said than done but if you give up something for Allah's sake then he will replace it with something better.

If he wants out from the relationship then you must think positively and move on.

You must keep telling yourself that you are a strong muslima and find yourself who will love you for who you are exclusively and will motivate you in your deen

also a woman needs to know her role and the man his
 
Did you see i really felt that there is something there you didnt tell us but alhamdoliallah you told us now , From what you said now i can say that majority of mistakes are yours because you should know in the beginning that marry a muslim man especially an arab man there will be a different religion and culture and tradition and family matters and those are the satisfaction of an arab muslim man , I noticed you didnt mentioned about your relation with his parents ?
Because it is important how they accept you and how they behave with you ?
I felt you didnt take the islam as seriously in the beginning of the marriage or may be you take it as a basic for completing the marriage with him but for him may be he was dreaming to see you as a good convert religion muslim woman to be proud of in front of his family and friends but the fact you didnt put him into the critic in front of his family and friends thats why he turned up and he started searching for an other woman and why not an arab muslim woman who can understand his religion and practise and understand his culture and tradition because as men hes got a dignity
As i told you before my advice try to become a good muslim cover your self put hijjab learn arabic try to pray and invit him as a friend or the best way after you put the hijjab and you change your attitude buy a gift and try to visit his family and show them how you changed and INSHALLAH it will work as the family have a big value into the eyes of their son and let me know

Forget about your christian culture and lifestyle and and and concentrate to your new life as a muslim and culture and you will be the winner and your husband will be back to you

Good Luck INSHALLAH and ALLAH SWT knows best

ok see this post is not very fair.... EVERY relationship has a lot of give or take and a multiculural marriage is no differnt. its not about thinking about all this before hand its that a lot of people dont live with each other first (which i mean they shouldnt but) its like this... when your seeing someone (chaperone or not depending on culture) everything is gravy. everyone is kind and gental and compassionate and the little quarks that everyone has are cute. after your married and you LIVE with that persons "quarks" everyday its just well its not the same. and that doesnt matter what culture you come from or even if you come from different ones.

my husband and i are not from the same culture and we have had our fair share of bumps in the road. it takes understanding and paitence to figure out what the other person really means. but it is possible to work out but only if two people are willing to do it together... this is not the case here, dude just wants to have his cake and eat it too. (as the old expression goes)

no one can forget their upbringing it makes them who they are but at the same time if he didnt want an outspoken woman he wouldnt have married one.

and honestly... my PERSONAL OPINION.... it takes two to make a marriage. it will NEVER work if only one person is trying and if he really is seeing another woman... why take him back? a cheater will ALWAYS be a cheater....
 
I am in a country where I do not have any relatives.
I am in a country where I do not have REAL friends to run to.
I am in a country where I am really alone.

I have been here for 5 years. Those 5 years were spent with him and his family. First few years of marriage are typically wonderful. We spent a lot of time together. Do things together. Eat together. I thought we were happy.

Despite who he is, I have tolerated it because he makes me happy and contented.

I appreciate all your effort and understanding. Posting what I feel here and reading your opinions help a lot.

But then again deep love and total emotional dependence is making it really difficult for me to leave and forget him. I cannot stand being alone. The pain is excruciating.

I really dont want this to sound mean but from the sound of it he is going to leave you anyway. besides is it really ok that he is out flandering with some girl and then comes home to you. (wow ok i know that sound super harsh) but i have walked down this road before and i know its hard but its better to leave on your terms (like right after payday) then it is to get kicked out on your tush...

but that is just one woman's opinion.
 
i know of people who have been in a very similar situation to you

i just keep thinking what i would do


and i know i would do EVERYTHING i can to keep it going even if it means suffering a lot of injustice out of hope that the other person be guided...


it really does sound like you tried your utmost best - may Allah reward you

i hope for the best out of whatever it is that happens


and ALLAH KNOWS BEST
 
Salam everyone!

I am happy to still see people posting their opinion in this thread I started almost a month ago.

But guess what everyone... I am now moving on =)

I have finally spoken to an Uztaz, which was very enlightening. My dear friends have also helped me a lot. Alhamdulillah for having them.

I did not expect this happening so fast but then finally one day, I have decided that this has to stop. I have realized what kind of person I really am. I have realized that I am a strong, independent woman, I know what I want and I wlll never let this kind of person bring me down. I have been wonderfully brought up by my supportive family. And regardless of culture or religion, I am smart enough to know what is right and wrong.

I have done my best and it does not make any sense fighting for something that is not worth at all. Specially if you are doing it all alone.

Prayer is really powerful. Its amazing how things will fall at the right place when you completely trust God. All I am hoping for now is for the divorce process to be completed soon.

Thank you all very much for your thoughts and advises. Let us now put this thread to rest.

Allahu Akhbar!
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mashaAllah! :D all the best for the future.

p.s you arent allowed to post your email add :)
 
salam
Good for You.

I don't think i want to give any marriage advice for long to time. this stuff is hard.
 
Alhamdulillah...i'm so happy for you ukhtee.

May Allah grant you happiness in this world and the hereafter :)
 

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