Muhammed PBUH blood relation

[adigagirl]

there's this group of muslimas (women) in my area which acts like kind of a cult...
i really want to know if they're wrong or right. cause i have some relatives there but they are So strong that i'm afraid to ask anything.

they believe that this woman which is their leader sat one night with a great shiekh or something like that and learned everything about islam. they believe that she has a blood relation with our beloved prophet peace be upon him.
i don't know if they think that the sheikh she studied everything from has a blood relation too... and i heard my relative saying something like you need to love these people more than your children and that they can cure cancer....

is this making sense to anyone? i never heard this before...

 

[sarah85]

there's this group of muslimas (women) in my area which acts like kind of a cult...
i really want to know if they're wrong or right. cause i have some relatives there but they are So strong that i'm afraid to ask anything.

they believe that this woman which is their leader sat one night with a great shiekh or something like that and learned everything about islam. they believe that she has a blood relation with our beloved prophet peace be upon him.
i don't know if they think that the sheikh she studied everything from has a blood relation too... and i heard my relative saying something like you need to love these people more than your children and that they can cure cancer....

is this making sense to anyone? i never heard this before...

Sounds like a load of rubbish...some people try to use super religious powers to gain a cult following. Islamically I am not required to love anyone more than my children (if i had any) except for Allah and his Messenger. And there are so many people claiming to have blood relations with the prophet just to gain status and fame....this all smells suspicious to me.

 

[جوري]

tell them many blood relations to the Prophet SAW ended up in hell
remind them that abu lahab (who gets an entire sura dedicated to him) and abd almotlib his beloved uncle aren't spared the hell fire..

Allah swt doesn't allow for intercessions save by his will, they sound more ignorant than learned for such basic facts elude them.. Sob7an Allah wonders never cease..

 

[sarah85]

tell them many blood relations to the Prophet SAW ended up in hell
remind them that abu lahab (who gets an entire sura dedicated to him) and abd almotlib his beloved uncle aren't spared the hell fire..

Allah swt doesn't allow for intercessions save by his will, they sound more ignorant than learned for such basic facts elude them.. Sob7an Allah wonders never cease..

lol good answer...just cos you are a relative of the prophet does not mean you have excellent 'Muslim credentials' and are guaranteed a place in jannah...

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I'd say sis Gossamer and sarahd hit it on the nail and no one has the ability to heal but Allah(swt). I hope u explain all of this to your family inshaAllah

 

[north_malaysian]

tell them many blood relations to the Prophet SAW ended up in hell
remind them that abu lahab (who gets an entire sura dedicated to him) and abd almotlib his beloved uncle aren't spared the hell fire..

His parents too right?

 

[suffiyan007]

Entah... i felt is like a crap they talking all about...if mean anyone also can have Nabi SAW blood relation...,even i though i also can say that i have blood relation of Nabi SAW...everything is impossible...ok.....i think they are Cult, maybe they learnt black magic...that using Ayah Quran...moreover Malaysia a lots of Cult....in Malaysia that really turning upside down....! like Al-Hakam, Ayah Pin,and ETc.....jusT to find answer...pray to Allah and istikarah solah...Allah will help you find the answer..insyaallah.

 

[north_malaysian]

moreover Malaysia a lots of Cult....in Malaysia that really turning upside down....! like Al-Hakam, Ayah Pin,and ETc......

Currently there are 55 cult groups banned in Malaysia:

1. Nasrul Haq
2. Budi Suci
3. Al-Watan
4. Budi Suci Sejati
5. Jawa Faradin
6. Silat Sunda Pukulan Ghaib
7. Tusuk Hikmat
8. Ilmu Kebatinan
9. Potong Maya
10. Naluri
11. Kaula
12. Haqqullah Syahadah
13. Rampai
14. Wali Suci
15. Kalimat Sakti
16. Silat Pukulan Jarak Jauh
17. Ilmu Tenaga Dalam Hikmat
18. Zikir Sha`ban Islam Haq
19. Asal Wujud Garis Laksmana
20. Al-Ma`zat
21. “Trancendentel Meditation”- Maharisi Mahish Yugi
22. Ilmu Kebatinan
23. Abdul Manan bin Harun- Tolak Hadis
24. Ilmu Mentauhidkan Allah oleh Nasrun S.T.Qahar
25. Kumpulan Ikhwan/al-Mas
26. Kuasa Ghaib ( Tahan Diri)
27. Mohd Nordin Putih
28. Nasrun S.T.Qahar
29. Roslan Katimun atau Ajaran Wali Sembilan
30. Tariqat Naqsyabandiyah Kadirun Yahya
31. Wali Sembilan
32. Khatijah binti Ali @ Puan Tijah
33. Syed Mutalib bin Syed Mohd Nordin
34. Ajaran Mohd Seman Al-Banjari
35. Al-Arqam
36. Golongan Anti Hadis
37. Ajaran yang disampaikan oleh Juruzon bin Abdul Latif atau dikenali juga
sebagai (Hj) Ahmad al-Walidie (Pak Su)
38. Syiah
39. Ajaran Hj. Ghazali Othman Hulu Kelang
40. Ajaran Hj.Kadar Ahmad
41. Ajaran Ilmu Tajalli Ahmad Laksamana
42. Ajaran ilmu Hakikat@ Jahar Dumin Hulu Langat
43. Tarikat Mufaridiah
44. Ajaran Hassan Anak Rimau
45. Tarikat Aurad Ismailiah
46. Ajaran Martabat Tujuh
47. Tarikat Samaniah Ibrahim Bonjol
48. Ajaran Sulaiman ( Bahtera Nabi Noh)
49. Ajaran Ilmu Hakikat Hassan bin Jonit
50. Ajaran Ahmadiah/ Qadiani
51. Ajaran Mohd Nor Seman
52. Ajaran Ayah Pin
53. Al-Ma`unah
54 Ajaran Azhar Wahab
55. Ajaran Hj.Banuar

http://www.islam.gov.my/ppi/profil.html

 

[جوري]

His parents too right?

I am not sure about that akhi.. I can only speak of what I know of..
Allah knows best of their destination.. the point of the matter is

and I quote the noble Quran:

33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

Hence I say the ignorant speak from desire and not from knowledge!

 

[north_malaysian]

I am not sure about that akhi.. I can only speak of what I know of..
Allah knows best of their destination.. the point of the matter is

and I quote the noble Quran:

33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

Hence I say the ignorant speak from desire and not from knowledge!

I think it's not "rightey" to say Prophet Muhammad's parents would be in hell.. because they're dead and only Allah can decide about them...

try reading this link..

http://www.***************/forum/archive/index.php?t-12518.html

 

[ardianto]

there's this group of muslimas (women) in my area which acts like kind of a cult...
i really want to know if they're wrong or right. cause i have some relatives there but they are So strong that i'm afraid to ask anything.

they believe that this woman which is their leader sat one night with a great shiekh or something like that and learned everything about islam. they believe that she has a blood relation with our beloved prophet peace be upon him.
i don't know if they think that the sheikh she studied everything from has a blood relation too... and i heard my relative saying something like you need to love these people more than your children and that they can cure cancer....

is this making sense to anyone? i never heard this before...

My friend learn Islam from someone.
One day he told me " Do you know ?, few nights ago, I have meet sheik........(name of famous sufi)".
I replied " Do you know ? that was jinn !".
He says again "No ! I swear, that was not jinn, but sheik......!".
I don't understand what's happened with my friend, he was so sure and he didn't believed me. I know he didn't lied, but I am sure he doesn't know that was jinn !.

About descendant of prophet Muhammad (saw).
There are men (not women)who called 'Habib'. They always describe themselves as descendants of RasulAllah, or in exactly descendants of Sayeedna Ali bin Abu Thalib and Sayeedatina Fatimah. They are living in many countries. They have international association of Habibs and their head quarter is in Tanah Abang, Jakarta, Indonesia.

Some people regard them as holly men. But many scholar in my country say they are just ordinary human, they can committing sins. And of course, is absolutely wrong if treat them as saints.

About a woman in your post. Maybe she has blood relation with prophet Muhammad (saw). But she is an ordinary human, and I'm sure she is going astray.

 

[ardianto]

Currently there are 55 cult groups banned in Malaysia:


16. Silat Pukulan Jarak Jauh
17. Ilmu Tenaga Dalam Hikmat

30. Tariqat Naqsyabandiyah Kadirun Yahya

31. Wali Sembilan

35. Al-Arqam

38. Syiah

- Silat pukulan jarak jauh (That's mean beat something without touching the target, or beat from few meters) and Ilmu tenaga dalam hikmat (I don't know what is this words in English, maybe that's means Inside Body Power) are not banned in Indonesia.

- Tariqah Naqsyabandiyah Kadirun Yahya. Maybe this is banned, but another Naqsyabandiyah is not banned in Indonesia.

- Wali sembilan (Nine walis). I am not sure if this is Islam that teached by Wali Songo / Wali sembilan. Wali songo are group that brought / recognized Islam to Java island in early 16th century. Some of them were descendant of Sayeedna Husein bin Ali.

- Al-Arqam. Al-Arqam is banned in Indonesia. However they are still exist with their new name, Hawariyun. But maybe they have reject their wrong cult.

- Syiah (Shia) ?.........No comment !

I read in your post, some cults were came from Indonesia.
No wonder if some Salafis says "Indonesia is full of Ahlul Bid'ah" :giggling:

 

[ardianto]

No wonder if some Salafis says "Indonesia is full of Ahlul Bid'ah" :giggling:

That's why Indonesia needs more Salafis !

 

[adigagirl]

oh i'm so glad you all think it's wrong, cause my knowledge and common sense told me it's messed up.
but the problem is that they are very very strong, i mean Very strong. if that woman will tell them to do something, then they will do it blindely! and do Anything they can to make it happen!!! they don't let anyone speak against them... i don't know how to even start this conversation with them, especially cause i'm very young and they are adult.
my parents told me just to stay away from them but when i see something wrong i just can't sit and watch while it happens....:\ should i speak to our Real sheikhs? i just assume that they already know about it....but i think i should try anyway.

 

[north_malaysian]

- Silat pukulan jarak jauh (That's mean beat something without touching the target, or beat from few meters) and Ilmu tenaga dalam hikmat (I don't know what is this words in English, maybe that's means Inside Body Power) are not banned in Indonesia.

- Tariqah Naqsyabandiyah Kadirun Yahya. Maybe this is banned, but another Naqsyabandiyah is not banned in Indonesia.

- Wali sembilan (Nine walis). I am not sure if this is Islam that teached by Wali Songo / Wali sembilan. Wali songo are group that brought / recognized Islam to Java island in early 16th century. Some of them were descendant of Sayeedna Husein bin Ali.

- Al-Arqam. Al-Arqam is banned in Indonesia. However they are still exist with their new name, Hawariyun. But maybe they have reject their wrong cult.

- Syiah (Shia) ?.........No comment !

I read in your post, some cults were came from Indonesia.
No wonder if some Salafis says "Indonesia is full of Ahlul Bid'ah" :giggling:

most of the cult have something to do with silat... they believe that they can possess some superpower by joining these cults..

there are thousands if not millions of Naqshabandis in Malaysia, and those has nothing to do with Tariqah Naqsyabandiyah Kadirun Yahya, if I'm not mistaken Kadirun Yahya is from Sumatra.

Wali songo is mentioned in our textbooks as the people who spread Islam to Java. I think this group just misused the name to be popular.

Al Arqam banned, and there are news saying that they have re-emerge as " Rufaqa' "

Shia is banned in Malaysia (but we have 20,000 Iranians migrating here...)

Before independent we have Indian Muslims who were Shi'is (the Khojas and Bohras from Gujerat), they even had Ashura procession on the streets of Penang. But now... most of them became Sunnis and some of them still practice Shi'ism underground. The Malay Shiites are in thousands and follow Imamite Shiism... also practising underground.

 

[ardianto]

oh i'm so glad you all think it's wrong, cause my knowledge and common sense told me it's messed up.
but the problem is that they are very very strong, i mean Very strong. if that woman will tell them to do something, then they will do it blindely! and do Anything they can to make it happen!!! they don't let anyone speak against them... i don't know how to even start this conversation with them, especially cause i'm very young and they are adult.
my parents told me just to stay away from them but when i see something wrong i just can't sit and watch while it happens....:\ should i speak to our Real sheikhs? i just assume that they already know about it....but i think i should try anyway.

I understand what's you mean. You want to start a conversation to realize them and tell them, their cult is totaly wrong and not permisible in Islam.

My sister, I think you don't know how they are. I don't want to scare you, but I never hope something bad will happen to you. I know about group like this.
Is dangerous if you start to debate them. They will not do something bad with magic but with real action. Some ulamas say, do some action to stop cult like this is jihad. I can understand if you want to committing jihad aginst them, but NOT NOW. For this time, let some adult fights against them. And you can take an action when you have ready.

You have a good spirit, younger sister. You can be a brave mujahidah in the future.

 

[sarah85]

oh i'm so glad you all think it's wrong, cause my knowledge and common sense told me it's messed up.
but the problem is that they are very very strong, i mean Very strong. if that woman will tell them to do something, then they will do it blindely! and do Anything they can to make it happen!!! they don't let anyone speak against them... i don't know how to even start this conversation with them, especially cause i'm very young and they are adult.
my parents told me just to stay away from them but when i see something wrong i just can't sit and watch while it happens....:\ should i speak to our Real sheikhs? i just assume that they already know about it....but i think i should try anyway.

its for the community to do something about this together. This should not be the responsibility of just one person. The community should not be ignoring it and allowing this to fester. Duty upon every Muslim is to enjoin the good and forbid the evil. If all the community stands together you will be a lot stronger.

 

[- IqRa -]

People do have blood relations with the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam. If you can't accept that, at least do not show attitude brothers and sisters.

 

[aadil77]

its a load of rubbish I think they call themselves 'sayyid' some pakistanis dont marry outside of 'sayyid' families to keep the bloodline running

 

[suffiyan007]

hello Thanks for the info...Gua tak tau ada byk tentang ilmu sebegitu.:thumbs_up
for North malaysian....thanks....i just knew a Few....hehehehe...thanks....