Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterbury

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Extremism, people mean the likes of Bin Laden and Isis who condone attacking innocent civilians through bombs and explosions.

Now, I know what you're going to say: "Why don't your criticize western powers for stuff like airstrikes?"

And here is my response: "Of course I am vocal and a critique of airstrikes done by those powers. I condemn terrorism whether it comes from air/drone strikes or the likes of Bin Laden and Isis.

This shows that you have never heard their talks on this issue. Usaamah never condoned attacks on "innocents". The word you have used is misleading. He and azh-Zhawaahiri explained that issue, in the past. It can be referred to in their speeches. They said what the Fuqahaa said, which is that people are divided into two groups:

1) Muhaarib (Fighter)
2) Ghayr Muhaarib (Non-Fighter)

They did not call for deliberate attacks against "Ghayr Muhaaribeen". The attack is aimed at the Kuffaar "Muhaaribs", and if "Ghayr Muhaaribeen" were to die as a result of those attacks, because they were near to the area at the time, and they were not targeted nor were their deaths intentional, then the Fuqahaa themselves have mentioned that this is excused.

 

[Abz2000]

My research on the issue tells me that Usaamah grew up in a big and rich family but he had a mind that was less constricted by the fads and status quo, went through the phases that Arabs go through when he studied in secular england, had a decent amount of knowledge on Islam, compared it all, chose Islaam, was affected by the injustices being perpetrated around the globe, wanted to do something to rectify the problems, was assisted and used by the secularist intelligence agencies with ulterior motives and was often steered off course, he saw through the facade and saw the american government as the root of all global corruption and confusion, turned his sights on them, and was then - and only then - accused of being a so called "terrorist". There's a similar (although different) story with saddam, however Usama was the new kind of threat to corruption, he was possibly the first individual in recent times to have been named as a target of "war" rather than simple law enforcement by a large government, this is the model that was used to target an ideology directly without a government or boundary based face, the implications for such a mode of operation is quite telling to those who care to put their minds to use and attempt to foresee the goals of such attempted stage setting by putting events into a chrono-logical perspective.

 

[TDWT]

This shows that you have never heard their talks on this issue. Usaamah never condoned attacks on "innocents". The word you have used is misleading. He and azh-Zhawaahiri explained that issue, in the past. It can be referred to in their speeches. They said what the Fuqahaa said, which is that people are divided into two groups:

1) Muhaarib (Fighter)
2) Ghayr Muhaarib (Non-Fighter)

They did not call for deliberate attacks against "Ghayr Muhaaribeen". The attack is aimed at the Kuffaar "Muhaaribs", and if "Ghayr Muhaaribeen" were to die as a result of those attacks, because they were near to the area at the time, and they were not targeted nor were their deaths intentional, then the Fuqahaa themselves have mentioned that this is excused.

Collateral damage, seriously? You want to criticize western governments for this and yet you say it's ok. Wow. And you're an Al Qaeda supporter. Look at that.

You can't accuses Western powers of doing terrorist attacks when you condone terrorism yourself. I don't mean to be rude, but there is a lot of hypocrisy coming from you in a lot of issues.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

I don't mean to be rude, but there is a lot of hypocrisy coming from you in a lot of issues.

Do you know what hypocrisy means? What Nifaaq means? Who the Munaafiqeen are?

The ones who sell their Deen for the Dunyaa, and boot-lick the Americans - those are the Munaafiqeen. And their scholars who promote boot-licking? Those are the "Heads of Nifaaq (Hypocrisy)".

 

[TDWT]

Do you know what hypocrisy means? What Nifaaq means? Who the Munaafiqeen are?

The ones who sell their Deen for the Dunyaa, and boot-lick the Americans - those are the Munaafiqeen. And their scholars who promote boot-licking? Those are the "Heads of Nifaaq (Hypocrisy)".

Not that kind of hypocrisy, this kind for example:

You: Western powers are so horrible. In an attempt to kill terrorist, they bomb countries and kill citizens in the way. Who cares if its collaterals damage, innocents are caught in the crossfire and are dying.

When Al Qaeda does it, You: It's ok.

Second

You: Hating and judging muslims based on their religion is wrong. How awful.

Also you: Hating and judging jews based on their religion is ok though.

 

[Abz2000]

Not that kind of hypocrisy, this kind for example:

You: Western powers are so horrible. In an attempt to kill terrorist, they bomb countries and kill citizens in the way. Who cares if its collaterals damage, innocents are caught in the crossfire and are dying.

When Al Qaeda does it, You: It's ok.

Second

You: Hating and judging muslims based on their religion is wrong. How awful.

Also you: Hating and judging jews based on their religion is ok though.

One can't paint justice and injustice with the same brush, the corrupt secularists have no justification for killing people in the name of Islaah, since the corrupt secularists have already unlawfully invaded countries based on lies and have killed millions of people without just cause, and are the root cause of corruption and disorder and need to repent of the injustices they have been commiting, must seek God's forgiveness, and set themselves right before they have a right to kill others in the name of justice - so yes, the "other definition" for hypocrisy applies in this case too.

Lemme tell you a joke I heard when I was a child, it may help you put things in just perspective.

A little kid comes home from school one day and sees his parents at it on the sofa,
He runs upstairs, grabs his crippled grandma, and starts trying to jux her,
His dad hears the commotion and yelling and runs upstairs,
Dad: What the hell you doing you little imbecille,
Boy: if you can jux my mom - I can jux yours.


Moral: nobody has a right to commit a haraam act - Allah is the best to legislate what is lawful - and He is more wise and just than george bush, barrak obama, and donald trump.

Do your research on the battles of the prophet pbuh and know that he fought in Allah's way for justice.

 

[TDWT]

One can't paint justice and injustice with the same brush, the corrupt secularists have no justification for killing people in the name of Islaah, since the corrupt secularists have already unlawfully invaded countries based on lies and have killed millions of people without just cause, and are the root cause of corruption and disorder and need to repent of the injustices they have been commiting, must seek God's forgiveness, and set themselves right before they have a right to kill others in the name of justice - so yes, the "other definition" for hypocrisy applies in this case too.

Lemme tell you a joke I heard when I was a child, it may help you put things in just perspective.

A little kid comes home from school one day and sees his parents at it on the sofa,
He runs upstairs, grabs his crippled grandma, and starts juxing her,
His dad hears the commotion and runs upstairs,
Dad: What the hell you doing you little imbecille,
Boy: if you can jux my mom - I can jux yours.


Moral: nobody has a right to commit a haraam act - Allah is the best to legislate what is lawful - and He is more wise and just than george bush, barrak obama, and donald trump.

Do your research on the battles of the prophet pbuh and know that he fought in Allah's way for justice.

Yeah, this is coming from an ISIS and Al Qaeda supporter, so I'm taking what you say with a grain of salt.

 

[Abz2000]

I am a supporter of truth and justice. My ultimate allegiance goes way above the labels which you mention and I see a lack of intellectual capacity in the tendency to resort to labelling and bland demonisation via constantly demonised expensively propagandised labels - when one runs out of valid, constructive, and just reasoning. It's a tune which I see played out all over the place when certain gangs are presented with just reasoning to which they are dumbstruck - enemy image fearmongering substance lacking syndrome.

Oh you support pythagoras theorem and he was a greek (or whatever) so you must be gay aswell.
Or: you say Eid Mubarak, and Mubarak is a terrorist leader of Egypt, so I hate you.

 

[TDWT]

I am a supporter of truth and justice. My ultimate allegiance goes way above the labels which you mention and I see a lack of intellectual capacity in the tendency to resort to labelling and bland demonisation via constantly demonised expensively propagandised labels - when one runs out of valid, constructive, and just reasoning. It's a tune which I see played out all over the place when certain gangs are presented with just reasoning to which they are dumbstruck - enemy image fearmongering substance lacking syndrome.

Oh you support pythagoras theorem and he was a greek (or whatever) so you must be gay aswell.
Or: you say Eid Mubarak, and Mubarak is a terrorist leader of Egypt, so I hate you.

You have not understood the point I was making, but I am not going to waste my time with you.

 

[Abz2000]

You have not understood the point I was making, but I am not going to waste my time with you.

My duty is to understand Allah, you are under no obligation to waste time.