[Abu Loren]

[h=1]Muslims praying inside the Church in UK[/h]
By: Yasmine Hamdy
St John's Episcopal Church in Aberdeen, Scotland, is now having a lot of Muslims praying five times a day inside the church, this is due to the small size of the mosque.
Although some churches in America allow Muslims to pray, this incident is considered the first of its type in UK.
We all hope these beloved feelings to prevail among all Muslims and Christians all over the world.

http://arabia.msn.com/news/world/1723916/muslims-praying-inside-the-church-in-uk/


All Christian churches contain the cross and other idols of Christian worship. Why in the world would Muslims go to a church of all places for worship? I've heard about the sharing of worship in the USA so is this becoming popular or just out of necessity?

In my honest opinion it is better to pray in the car park outside than to pray in a church. Allahu Alum.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

''By: Yasmine Hamdy
St John's Episcopal Church in Aberdeen, Scotland, is now having a lot of Muslims praying five times a day inside the church, this is due to the small size of the mosque.
Although some churches in America allow Muslims to pray, this incident is considered the first of its type in UK.
We all hope these beloved feelings to prevail among all Muslims and Christians all over the world.''

I think in this case it should be a necessity, its always better to pray in a group than at home, where shaytaan will try to ruin your prayer anytime. In a group, should to shoulder shaytaan cant fit between it

 

[Woodrow]

[h=1]Muslims praying inside the Church in UK[/h]
By: Yasmine Hamdy
St John's Episcopal Church in Aberdeen, Scotland, is now having a lot of Muslims praying five times a day inside the church, this is due to the small size of the mosque.
Although some churches in America allow Muslims to pray, this incident is considered the first of its type in UK.
We all hope these beloved feelings to prevail among all Muslims and Christians all over the world.

http://arabia.msn.com/news/world/1723916/muslims-praying-inside-the-church-in-uk/


All Christian churches contain the cross and other idols of Christian worship. Why in the world would Muslims go to a church of all places for worship? I've heard about the sharing of worship in the USA so is this becoming popular or just out of necessity?

In my honest opinion it is better to pray in the car park outside than to pray in a church. Allahu Alum.

I believe in the Episcopal Churches they only have the crosses out during the time of the Church services.

Also many of the larger churches have separate auditoriums that are not used for church services.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Abu Loren;

All Christian churches contain the cross and other idols of Christian worship. Why in the world would Muslims go to a church of all places for worship? I've heard about the sharing of worship in the USA so is this becoming popular or just out of necessity?

In my honest opinion it is better to pray in the car park outside than to pray in a church. Allahu Alum.

It is always good to share, maybe some Muslim community could do the same for a Christian community with a small or damaged church.

In the spirit of praying to one and the same God

Eric

 

[Abu Loren]

It is always good to share, maybe some Muslim community could do the same for a Christian community with a small or damaged church.

Peace to you Mr. Eric

I for one do not believe in this lovey dovey let's hold hands and hug type of mentality. I consider myself saved by embracing Islam the religion of God Almighty. I want to distance myself so far from Christians that I'm now finding it difficult with Muslims adopting the ways of the Mushrik. Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Salaam) invited the Christians to the New Covenent but they refused therefore they are still astray. I truly believe that if a believer befriends a Christian in religion then he will also be lead astray.

In the spirit of praying to one and the same God

If you truly believe in One God only then you must accept hi Final Revelation and His Final Messenger to mankind. No if's but's or maybe's.

 

[glo]

It is not apparent whether crosses are present in this church or not - although the stained glass windows in the pictures certainly depict saints.

However, as I understand the Muslim congregation is using the church hall for their prayers, not the church itself. (After all, Islamic prayer times may at times clash with church services, when the church would be used for its primary purpose)

"They have now been offered the use of part of the Episcopalian church hall for daily prayers."

Link

 

[glo]

Greetings and peace be with you Abu Loren;



It is always good to share, maybe some Muslim community could do the same for a Christian community with a small or damaged church.

In the spirit of praying to one and the same God

Eric

Hi Eric

I believe whole-heartedly in this lovey dovey let's hold hands and hug type of mentality and would happily pray in a masjid or have Muslims pray in our church.
Insha'Allah we will see more of this.

 

[Abu Loren]

Hi Eric

I believe whole-heartedly in this lovey dovey let's hold hands and hug type of mentality and would happily pray in a masjid or have Muslims pray in our church.
Insha'Allah we will see more of this.

Hello dear

It's really nice when non Muslims use the Arabic expressions such as Inshaa Allah etc.. :statisfie

 

[IAmZamzam]

As long as they're not using the cross I fail to see the problem. You could probably pray inside the dressing room at a night club as long as there's peace and quiet there at the moment, and an absence of distraction. We are judged for our intentions, not for who we're consorting with in some vague symbolic way. As long as you get to do it somewhere.

 

[Abu Loren]

As long as they're not using the cross I fail to see the problem. You could probably pray inside the dressing room at a night club as long as there's peace and quiet there at the moment, and an absence of distraction. We are judged for our intentions, not for who we're consorting with in some vague symbolic way. As long as you get to do it somewhere.

The cross is there inside the church isn't it? We are not supposed to pray infront of idols. Full stop. Period. End of.

 

[IAmZamzam]

I'm as human as anyone, Abu. If you think you've seen an authentic hadith saying, "No Muslim is allowed to pray in the same building as an idol for any reason at all, even if there is no other viable place to pray anywhere around him," then I'd be glad to look into that. I may well have missed something. There are only so many ahadith I've read before. But of course if all the passage in question says is "do not pray in front of an idol" then can we be absolutely sure that doesn't just mean "don't stand before an idol and look at it when you pray"? Or for that matter "don't use idols"?

 

[IAmZamzam]

On second thought you could be right. Maybe it was the same principle as having an icon in your house. I guess that in the end, though, this is a matter strictly between these people and their Maker. What we're doing here isn't too far from gossip.

 

[Abu Loren]

I'm as human as anyone, Abu. If you think you've seen an authentic hadith saying, "No Muslim is allowed to pray in the same building as an idol for any reason at all, even if there is no other viable place to pray anywhere around him," then I'd be glad to look into that. I may well have missed something. There are only so many ahadith I've read before. But of course if all the passage in question says is "do not pray in front of an idol" then can we be absolutely sure that doesn't just mean "don't stand before an idol and look at it when you pray"? Or for that matter "don't use idols"?

Narrated `Aisha:
Um Habiba and Um Salama mentioned a church they had seen in Ethiopia and in the church there were pictures. When they told the Prophet (

) of this, he said, "Those people are such that if a pious man amongst them died, they build a place of worship over his grave and paint these pictures in it. Those people will be Allah's worst creatures on the Day of Resurrection . "


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[TR]
[TD]Reference[/TD]
[TD] : Sahih al-Bukhari 3873[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]In-book reference[/TD]
[TD] : Book 63, Hadith 99[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]USC-MSA web (English) reference[/TD]
[TD] : Vol. 5, Book 58, Hadith 213[/TD]
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[Abu Loren]

On second thought you could be right. Maybe it was the same principle as having an icon in your house. I guess that in the end, though, this is a matter strictly between these people and their Maker. What we're doing here isn't too far from gossip.

No bro you are gossipping, I'm educating you. LOL

 

[Muhammad]

:salamext: Abu Loren,

I for one do not believe in this lovey dovey let's hold hands and hug type of mentality. I consider myself saved by embracing Islam the religion of God Almighty. I want to distance myself so far from Christians that I'm now finding it difficult with Muslims adopting the ways of the Mushrik. Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Salaam) invited the Christians to the New Covenent but they refused therefore they are still astray. I truly believe that if a believer befriends a Christian in religion then he will also be lead astray.

This issue is not about compromising values. There are many examples where Muslims use a chapel in work environments to pray Jumuah, as that is the only space big enough to accommodate them. We should at least recognise this gesture from Christians in allowing Muslims to use their facilities. It does not mean we are compromising what we believe to be the truth.

Also, none of us can consider ourselves 'saved', as we do not know in what state we will die, or about our deeds and intentions. We are required to continously ask Allaah :swt: for guidance in each and every one of our prayers, day and night. We need Allaah :swt: every moment of our lives to help us remain firm on the path of guidance and to make us even more firm and persistent on it. We do not have the power to benefit or harm ourselves, except by Allaah's permission. So it is not simply the case that one enters Islam and is automatically guaranteed Paradise. Even the most honourable Companions of the Prophet :saws: would fear what their final abode would be and whether their deeds were accepted, so how can we feel so secure about ourselves?

We should do our best to reach out to people and engage in dialogue as the Prophet :saws: did. It is not enough to simply tell people that they must accept the Final Revelation. They need to hear the message in a way that will convince them of its truth, and we should also demonstrate in our words and actions what the Final Revelation teaches.

And Allaah :swt: knows best.

 

[Scimitar]

Greetings and peace be with you Abu Loren;



It is always good to share, maybe some Muslim community could do the same for a Christian community with a small or damaged church.

In the spirit of praying to one and the same God

Eric

I think there was a case in the USA where Muslims opened the doors to their mosque to allow Jews to worship there. I remember seeing an article about this here on IB forum.

It would be interesting to see how Muslim/Christian relations go in light of the ACW initiative: www.acommonword.com - I have joined them and get regular updates about this initiative and am all for it.

One of my favourite scholars, Shailkh Habib Ali Al Jifri, is a prominent figure in this effort. It's well worth the read up. The pdf article is a gem. there is hope. There is always hope.

Scimi

 

[Abu Loren]

We should do our best to reach out to people and engage in dialogue as the Prophet did. It is not enough to simply tell people that they must accept the Final Revelation. They need to hear the message in a way that will convince them of its truth, and we should also demonstrate in our words and actions what the Final Revelation teaches.

You are absolutely right. But on the flip side is that most people are so scured in their belief that nothing will dislodge them. They require guidance from Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala and they need to change themselves internally. The Christians here are not going to convert any time soon unless Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala has choosen them.

 

[IAmZamzam]

No bro you are gossipping, I'm educating you. LOL

You have suggested about four times now (I've lost count) that I stop posting here. I have a better idea. Since you find what I say to be of such little value how about you just put me on your "ignore" list? I'm certainly, God willing, about to put you on mine. It's a very handy function and seems to be quickly becoming my favorite feature in this place.

 

[Scimitar]

There is always hope.

but we need to stop bickering amongst ourselves first.

 

[Abu Loren]

You have suggested about four times now (I've lost count) that I stop posting here. I have a better idea. Since you find what I say to be of such little value how about you just put me on your "ignore" list? I'm certainly, God willing, about to put you on mine. It's a very handy function and seems to be quickly becoming my favorite feature in this place.

Don't be silly John I even used LOL at the end. You must discern my dark sense of humour, c'mon.