Muslims was victims of holacaust

[Hashim_507]

After the war, Johann Paul Kremer testified about his diary. An extract is found in "The Good Old Days": The Holocaust as Seen by Its Perpetrators and Bystanders, Ernst Klee, Willi Dressen, and Volker Riess, Eds., 1991, p. 258:


Particularly unpleasant was the gassing of the emaciated women from the women's camp, who were generally known as 'Muslims'. I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups of women. I cannot say how big the group was.

When I got close to the bunker [I saw] them sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing hut but made to undress in the open air.

I concluded from the behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited them, as they begged and pleaded to the SS men to spare them their lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.

As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely shocked by what I had seen I wrote in my diary on 5 September 1942: 'The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharführer Thilo was right when he said to me today that this is the anus mundi', the anal orifice of the world.

I used this image because I could not imagine anything more disgusting and horrific.


SS-Doctor Kremer at a hearing on 18 July 1947 in Cracow

 

[Trumble]

Because of the understandable strong association with the Jews, as the biggest victims of the Holocaust, it tends to get forgotten they were not the only victims. Nazi belief was based on ideas of racial supremacy, and the Jews were only the primary target because there were many of them in Europe, and considerable anti-semitism already existed. Hundreds of thousands of Roma and Sinti ("Gypsies") were also murdered, again picked out as existing prejudice was already there. Had Nazis Germany had a significant Arab/Asian muslim population, they too would have suffered the same fate had Hitler not been defeated.

That's one reason "Holocaust denial" is so appalling, from Ahmadinejad or anybody else.. not only does it offend Jews, it insults the whole human race - including muslims.

 

[duskiness]

I know Trumble, that You've mentioned Roma & Sinti just as an example of other grups who were exterminated beside Jews, but let me add that -just because of who they were - Nazi also exterminated in death camps : Poles, disabled, freemasons, gay, Jehova Witnesses.
And this - of course - doesn't change fact that the biggest victim of what have happend were Jews.
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[HeiGou]

Particularly unpleasant was the gassing of the emaciated women from the women's camp, who were generally known as 'Muslims'. I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups of women. I cannot say how big the group was.

Generally known as. But they were not actually Muslims. The Germans had not known famine for some time before 1939. Europe had not had one since the 1800s. When the starving and emaciated Jews were seen by Euroepans, whether guards in camps or other cam inmates, they thought in terms of what they knew - and they had only seen people who looked like that in pictures of a pre-War famine somewhere in the Muslim world. I assume Turkey. Hence the term "Musulmanner". But virtually all the European Muslims were on the other side of the wire. I'd keep away from the topic if I were you - remember the Grand Mufti, the Crimean Tartars, the Bosnians and so on.

 

[Vishnu]

This saying explains a lot:

Every victim was not a Jew and Gypsy, but every Jew and Gypsy was a victim.

 

[Hashim_507]

The roma people face alot of discrimination in europe,over thousand year they lived in europe.

 

[duskiness]

Offtopic:

Europe had not had one since the 1800s.

and great famine in Ukraine (hołodomor, early '30)? Or Ukraine is not Europe?
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[Muezzin]

Because of the understandable strong association with the Jews, as the biggest victims of the Holocaust, it tends to get forgotten they were not the only victims. Nazi belief was based on ideas of racial supremacy, and the Jews were only the primary target because there were many of them in Europe, and considerable anti-semitism already existed. Hundreds of thousands of Roma and Sinti ("Gypsies") were also murdered, again picked out as existing prejudice was already there. Had Nazis Germany had a significant Arab/Asian muslim population, they too would have suffered the same fate had Hitler not been defeated.

Very true. It ticks me off when certain fellow Muslims applaud the Holocaust because of some irrational hatred of Jews they harbour. The certain Muslims who I have heard talk like this are not white, and thus would also be killed if Hitler had his way.

That's one reason "Holocaust denial" is so appalling, from Ahmadinejad or anybody else.. not only does it offend Jews, it insults the whole human race - including muslims.

Agreed. I don't think people should be locked up for it though. If someone denies the Holocaust ever happened, all it shows is that they are, well, dippy. And we don't generally lock people up for being plonkers.