NASA - Stardust Mission

[root]

For people like me who suspect "life" is seeded in outerspace then brought to the infinate number of planetory bodies within the universe by comets got a boost today as NASA announced it's early report on comet dust that has been returned to earth after a 7 year round trip.

NASA's Stardust Findings May Alter View of Comet Formation

Comets are born of fire as well as ice, the first results from the US space agency's (Nasa) Stardust mission show.

Scientists have long thought of comets as cold, billowing clouds of ice, dust and gases formed on the edges of the solar system. But comets may not be so simple or similar. They may prove to be diverse bodies with complex histories. Comet Wild 2 seems to have had a more complex history than thought.

Hawain beach sand present on comet temple - 2

As strange as it may sound, Olivine is the primary component of the green sand found on some Hawaiian beaches. It is among the most common minerals in the universe, but scientists were surprised to find it in cometary dust. Olivine is a compound of iron, magnesium and other elements. The Stardust sample is primarily magnesium. Along with olivine, the dust from Wild 2 contains high-temperature minerals rich in calcium, aluminum and titanium.

This is the very first basic analysis. Over the coming months we should see a whole host of new discoveries, I wander how good it is going to get:

below, a tiny dust particle one of thousands brought back on valentines day.

 

[Shadow]

wow that picture looks nice
is it a micropgraphic pic?
or is that the real size?

 

[root]

It's a photograph of the microscope image (it's very small, just a spec of dust). Imagine though the statistical chance of a heart shaped piece of star dust on valentines day out of thousands that were collected out of billions that could have been collected, some would say impossible odds.........

 

[Muezzin]

It's a photograph of the microscope image (it's very small, just a spec of dust). Imagine though the statistical chance of a heart shaped piece of star dust on valentines day out of thousands that were collected out of billions that could have been collected, some would say impossible odds.........

And some would say 'God'.

Oops. Can opened. Worms everywhere.

 

[F.Y.]

Wow bro root - that is amazing! Thanks for sharing with us. The dust particle is beautiful.

Peace

 

[Muezzin]

Wow bro root - that is amazing! Thanks for sharing with us. The dust particle is beautiful.

Peace

Just to clarify - while Root is our brother in humanity, he is not our brother in Islam, as he is an athiest.

No offence meant to any parties, just clarifying. :brother:

 

[root]

Just to clarify - while Root is our brother in humanity, he is not our brother in Islam, as he is an athiest.

Yup, an atheist with his money backed on panpermia. And everyday recently gets better and better with the probability life is spread throughout the universe or seeded throughout all space planetory bodies.

Like today's announcement confirming "water" in the form of commetry ice does exist on comets as the Temple 1 mission displays in the oicture below with clear visibility (the blue stuff of life)

Also, we can confirm that crator impacta are also present which will allow comet material to spread with other comets.

Evidence too of a lot of "organic" molecules are present.

Recently, more impact crators have been found on earth, Egypt and Antarctica. So:

Comets Impact each other and exchange material.
Comets pick up debri from early formed stars
comets pick up intersteller space dust and release intersteller space dust
Comets contain water
comets contain organic material
comets impact with planetory bodies such as earth

Anyone seriously want to doubt that earth was seeded or had life brought directly to it by comets, further does anyone want to suggest it does not happen throughout the universe?

 

[Muezzin]

Anyone seriously want to doubt that earth was seeded or had life brought directly to it by comets, further does anyone want to suggest it does not happen throughout the universe?

That logic is cool because if it's true, it means everyone is Superman.

And I don't see how such a theory eliminates God from the equation, just in case anyone wants to go down that road.

 

[root]

That logic is cool because if it's true, it means everyone is Superman.

I suppose, but as of yet "Kryptonite" has yet to be found!

And I don't see how such a theory eliminates God from the equation, just in case anyone wants to go down that road.

True, but it makes creationism/ID a folly, and eliminates the greatest question of all. How did life start? and why are we being told that god "created" us and placed us upon this earth when all the evidence suggests (as per usual) the complete opposite.

@Islamicboy - I am not wanting to destroy this thread bickering absurdeties such as your post, all I can say is as an atheist I am probably more tolerant of religion(s) than you, and in the absence of a God's law we have social law and morality. To suggest islam took any role in bringing NASA or Science truly defies belief.

It's been a great week and it get's better and better all the time.

Earth could seed Titan with life

Terrestrial rocks blown into space by asteroid impacts on Earth could have taken life to Saturn's moon Titan, scientists have announced. Earth microbes in these meteorites could have seeded the organic-rich world with life, scientists believe. They think the impact on Earth that killed off the dinosaurs could have ejected enough material for some to reach far-off moons like Titan.

Titan Above:Using computer models, they plotted the behaviour of these fragments once they were in orbit. From this, they calculated the expected number that would hit certain moons of Jupiter and Saturn. The principal targets they chose, Titan and Europa, are of considerable interest to astrobiologists, the community of scientists who study the habitability of other planetary bodies. Titan is rich in organic compounds, which provide a potential energy source for primitive life forms, Europa is thought to harbour a liquid water ocean under its thick crust of ice.

To get terrestrial, life-bearing rocks to escape the Earth's atmosphere and reach space, an impact by an asteroid or comet between 10 and 50km is required. Only a handful of recorded strikes in geological history fit the bill.

Source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4819370.stm

 

[cihad]

i dont get why everybody is wowing over sand particles?

 

[root]

i dont get why everybody is wowing over sand particles?

They are not sand particles? They are cosmic dust particles,(a big difference) however I suppose your point is a valid one, that what we find on our little planet is not unique, not special. The same material that makes us and our earth is littered throughout the universe. Just a short time ago in our history people of faith and others too would strongly object to this. Afterall, the earth was created by god for man. Or was it?

 

[Muezzin]

I suppose, but as of yet "Kryptonite" has yet to be found!

They already have. It's called Marmite.

True, but it makes creationism/ID a folly, and eliminates the greatest question of all. How did life start? and why are we being told that god "created" us and placed us upon this earth when all the evidence suggests (as per usual) the complete opposite.

It still depends on how you look at it. A person who believes in God may see this as an affirmation of what an athiest might call the 'romanticism' of Divine creation - depending on how you look at it, this stardust could in fact be 'God's hand' that is 'placing' us on Earth from the 'heavens'. Of course, each person is entitled to their own views and are free to believe or deny the existence of God.

I'm just saying faith (or lack thereof ) can never be 'disproved', since we are all free to believe what we will.

It's been a great week and it get's better and better all the time.

Earth could seed Titan with life

Terrestrial rocks blown into space by asteroid impacts on Earth could have taken life to Saturn's moon Titan, scientists have announced. Earth microbes in these meteorites could have seeded the organic-rich world with life, scientists believe. They think the impact on Earth that killed off the dinosaurs could have ejected enough material for some to reach far-off moons like Titan.

Titan Above:Using computer models, they plotted the behaviour of these fragments once they were in orbit. From this, they calculated the expected number that would hit certain moons of Jupiter and Saturn. The principal targets they chose, Titan and Europa, are of considerable interest to astrobiologists, the community of scientists who study the habitability of other planetary bodies. Titan is rich in organic compounds, which provide a potential energy source for primitive life forms, Europa is thought to harbour a liquid water ocean under its thick crust of ice.

To get terrestrial, life-bearing rocks to escape the Earth's atmosphere and reach space, an impact by an asteroid or comet between 10 and 50km is required. Only a handful of recorded strikes in geological history fit the bill.

Source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4819370.stm

Awesome. Let's send a squad of Marines there and they can fight aliens, Doom style.

Heh, it's lucky I'm not in charge of the space program, eh?

 

[Islamicboy]

If there is creation then there is a creator.....

 

[root]

If there is creation then there is a creator.....

This is probably the wrong thread to discuss this, since this is about panspermia with a little thought to abiogenesis which does not require a creator. True, one can merely regress creation and say God created the raw materials. However, evidence to show how from the raw materials within the universe life can develop, evolve and spread throughout the universe removes God as the designer of such life, such life as ours.

 

[Cheb]

Greetings root,

I am just curious to what you believe exactly. I dont fully understand panpermia because I heard there are different explanations to how the earth was seeded.

 

[root]

I am just curious to what you believe exactly. I dont fully understand panpermia because I heard there are different explanations to how the earth was seeded.

I believe in evolution first and foremost. Of course the theory of evolution is only representative of how life evolves and does not concern how life began. This is not a flaw in evolution, it's just that evolution is not about how life "began" only how it evolved once it began.

The theory of how life "might" have begun on eart is covered by Abiogenesis which is not part of the evolutionary theory. Abiogenesis is only concerned with how life spontaniously started from the young earth or the primordial soup. Thus it does not include panspermia.

Panspermia, is the theory that the building blocks of life (that abiogenesis) is interested in originated in space and was delivered to earth by comets/meteorites. Additionally, Exogenesis is the theory that living cells were delivered to the planet directly by the same means as panspermia. However, panspermia and Exogenesis use the same principles and as you probably have worked out the only difference between Panspermia & Exogenesis is one theorises the delivery of the raw materials required for life, the other theorises actual life being delivered.

As for which is true Abiogenesis, Panspermia or Exogenesis then I would not like to say, perhaps a balance of two of them or indeed all three. Your right to point out that thier are multiple notions put forward and it may not turn out to be one particular issue but a combination of many.

Hope this helps make it a little clearer.

 

[Muezzin]

If any members would like an illustration of the above theory, watch 'Evolution' - it's like Ghostbusters

 

[root]

If any members would like an illustration of the above theory, watch 'Evolution' - it's like Ghostbusters

Don't get it?

 

[Muezzin]

Don't get it?

No, seriously. The film 'Evolution' with David Duchovny. It illustrates panspermia when a meteorite hits Earth. Life then springs from it, first in the form of amoebas. They soon rapidly evolve due to Earth's atmosphere.

 

[root]

No, seriously. The film 'Evolution' with David Duchovny. It illustrates panspermia when a meteorite hits Earth. Life then springs from it, first in the form of amoebas. They soon rapidly evolve due to Earth's atmosphere

Ah, now I understand. though the deception in that title is "Evolution" since this is not evolution at all which is a common misconception (often peddled by creationists). Evolution is not concerned with how life began only how it evolved once it began.