[Supreme]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8348225.stm

Thousands of people across the country have honoured the men and women killed in conflicts past and present with a two-minute silence.

The Queen laid a wreath at the Cenotaph in Whitehall in front of the prime minister, military leaders and Commonwealth representatives.

Veterans and civilians then marched along Whitehall.

British troops at Camp Bastion in Afghanistan also remembered the fallen on the day another soldier was killed.

The latest soldier to die was killed in a blast in Helmand, the Ministry of Defence said. He was the 94th British fatality in Afghanistan this year.

At the Cenotaph, the Queen laid the first wreath at the start of a 20-minute religious service.


Others followed, including Prince Harry, who laid a wreath at the Cenotaph for the first time. He was representing his father, the Prince of Wales, who is carrying out official duties in Canada.

Politicians, high commissioners from the Commonwealth and defence chiefs from all three armed forces also came forward to pay their tributes.

Afterwards 7,500 ex-service personnel and 1,600 civilians marched past the Cenotaph

Very poignant ceremony.

Lest we forget those who gave their today for our tomorrow. The Glorious dead indeed.

A touching passage a priest read out in the ceremony in Helmand:

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

(John 15:13)

Their sacrifices shall not be forgotten.

 

[amalteser]

Well Supreme, "Liberal Protestant" there is NO warfare in 'True Christianity'!!!
The world's affairs and wars and politics has Nothing to do with with YAHWEH!!!

All the denominations of so called 'christendom' including pentecostals, evangelicals and charasmatics are NOT 'True Christians'!!!




2 Timothy 3:1-5 (Amplified Bible)

2 Timothy 3
1BUT UNDERSTAND this, that in the last days will come (set in) perilous times of great stress and trouble [hard to deal with and hard to bear].
2For people will be lovers of self and [utterly] self-centered, lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate [greedy] desire for wealth, proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. They will be abusive (blasphemous, scoffing), disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane.

3[They will be] without natural [human] affection (callous and inhuman), relentless (admitting of no truce or appeasement); [they will be] slanderers (false accusers, troublemakers), intemperate and loose in morals and conduct, uncontrolled and fierce, haters of good.

4[They will be] treacherous [betrayers], rash, [and] inflated with self-conceit. [They will be] lovers of sensual pleasures and vain amusements more than and rather than lovers of God.

5For [although] they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. Avoid [all] such people [turn away from them].

 

[mahi]

Rest in Peace to those on both sides that fought and died in the war.
It's good its not a remembrance for those muppets that send the soldiers into war.

 

[Supreme]

Well Supreme, "Liberal Protestant" there is NO warfare in 'True Christianity'!!!
The world's affairs and wars and politics has Nothing to do with with YAHWEH!!!

All the denominations of so called 'christendom' including pentecostals, evangelicals and charasmatics are NOT 'True Christians'!!!




2 Timothy 3:1-5 (Amplified Bible)

2 Timothy 3
1BUT UNDERSTAND this, that in the last days will come (set in) perilous times of great stress and trouble [hard to deal with and hard to bear].
2For people will be lovers of self and [utterly] self-centered, lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate [greedy] desire for wealth, proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. They will be abusive (blasphemous, scoffing), disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane.

3[They will be] without natural [human] affection (callous and inhuman), relentless (admitting of no truce or appeasement); [they will be] slanderers (false accusers, troublemakers), intemperate and loose in morals and conduct, uncontrolled and fierce, haters of good.

4[They will be] treacherous [betrayers], rash, [and] inflated with self-conceit. [They will be] lovers of sensual pleasures and vain amusements more than and rather than lovers of God.

5For [although] they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. Avoid [all] such people [turn away from them].

Unrelated. Let's stick to the topic at hand. Of course there is no warfare in true Christianity, but we are missing the point. These men who died for us weren't just Christians, but Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists and agnostics.

Rest in Peace to those on both sides that fought and died in the war.
It's good its not a remembrance for those muppets that send the soldiers into war.

Indeed.

 

[amalteser]

Unrelated. Let's stick to the topic at hand. Of course there is no warfare in true Christianity, but we are missing the point. These men who died for us weren't just Christians, but Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists and agnostics.



Indeed.

Well Supreme, "Liberal Protestant" you quoted the passage used by the priest, which is from from the New Testament!!!
And it has Nothing to with the dead of the world!!!

Read the whole chapter and see if you can see through your 'religious' blindness!!!

See if you spot the 'contradiction' in your statement!!!

Unrelated. Let's stick to the topic at hand. Of course there is no warfare in true Christianity, but we are missing the point. These men who died for us weren't just Christians, but Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists and agnostics.

NOT one of these soldiers, dead or alive are 'True Christians'!!!

A touching passage a priest read out in the ceremony in Helmand:


Quote:
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

(John 15:13)

Their sacrifices shall not be forgotten.

 

[Woodrow]

It is good to remember those killed in war. It should serve as a message of peace, when we realize how many have died and it should give us incentive that we never send a young man or woman to die needlessly or for an unjust cause.

Wars cost a country it's greatest asset, it's youth. Care should be taken that if we send a person to die, it should be for a just and needed reason.

 

[Insaanah]

We should appreciate those who died in the past for us. And I agree with Uncle Woodrow, that people should only be sent for a just and needed cause.

However each nation only tends to remember its own, or a specific group of people. E.g. there's holocaust memorial day, remembrance day, I guess 9/11 will become some annual ceremony. What really needs to happen is remembrance and prayers for ALL those who have died as a result of conflict/occupation/genocide, not just soldiers, but innocent civilians too. They don't get any ceremonies unfortunately. Soldiers do realise the risks of their job, but for civilians killed by outside forces in their own countries it's quite a different matter.

 

[glo]

Every year I catch myself wondering whether Remembrance Day is out-dated and old-fashioned ... and then I hear the stories, read the never-forgotten memories, see the old faces - and feel ashamed!

Who am I not to remember in complete gratitude those who risked and indeed gave their lives for us, the future generations?!

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

 

[Supreme]

Well Supreme, "Liberal Protestant" you quoted the passage used by the priest, which is from from the New Testament!!!
And it has Nothing to with the dead of the world!!!

Read the whole chapter and see if you can see through your 'religious' blindness!!!

See if you spot the 'contradiction' in your statement!!!




NOT one of these soldiers, dead or alive are 'True Christians'!!!

1) Why do you keep bringing up my user title?
2) Yes I did, I quoted a relevant touching passage read out by a chaplain in Afghanistan, because it reflects the sacrifice most troops will go to to protect their friends on the front line.
3) I'm not sure who you think you are (frankly, I hardly care), but you do not have any right to call people 'true Christians'.

Please stop trolling this thread about a sensitive issue and kindly leave.

 

[amalteser]

1) Why do you keep bringing up my user title?
2) Yes I did, I quoted a relevant touching passage read out by a chaplain in Afghanistan, because it reflects the sacrifice most troops will go to to protect their friends on the front line.
3) I'm not sure who you think you are (frankly, I hardly care), but you do not have any right to call people 'true Christians'.

Please stop trolling this thread about a sensitive issue and kindly leave.

What's wrong with using your user title???

And the New Testament declares what a 'True Christian' is!!!

You are just a 'religious' blind man, being led by the blind!!!

 

[glo]

Could we go back to the topic of Remembrance Day - and the remembering of people who have died in battle to ensure the safety and security of others, for generations to come?

It wasn't a religious topic in the first place - amalteser why do you feel the need to make it one?
People from all faiths and none express their gratitude on Remembrance Day.

Personally, I find all wars abhorrent! War should be avoided whenever possible, and should only ever be the very last resort!
But I speak as a German citizen, when I say that the Nazi regime needed to be fought and destroyed - and that I am grateful to all who fought for this cause and helped achieve it!

 

[Fishman]

Nation Unites to Remember Fallen

Britain isn't a nation-state. This silly idea is catching on more and more.

 

[Supreme]

Britain isn't a nation-state. This silly idea is catching on more and more.

It is a union, true. But most would still call it a nation.

Personally, I find all wars abhorrent! War should be avoided whenever possible, and should only ever be the very last resort!
But I speak as a German citizen, when I say that the Nazi regime needed to be fought and destroyed - and that I am grateful to all who fought for this cause and helped achieve it!

Sister, there are Brits more supportive of the Nazis than most Germans.

Germany is one of the few countries in the world where being a Nazi and having Nazi affiliated objects is a crime.

 

[amalteser]

Could we go back to the topic of Remembrance Day - and the remembering of people who have died in battle to ensure the safety and security of others, for generations to come?

It wasn't a religious topic in the first place - amalteser why do you feel the need to make it one?
People from all faiths and none express their gratitude on Remembrance Day.

Personally, I find all wars abhorrent! War should be avoided whenever possible, and should only ever be the very last resort!
But I speak as a German citizen, when I say that the Nazi regime needed to be fought and destroyed - and that I am grateful to all who fought for this cause and helped achieve it!

The incorrect use of New Testament scripture by a 'religious' christian priest, who is a blind leader of the blind, and creates a false impression about the True GOSPEL and the True JESUS, needs to be challenged!!!

 

[Fishman]

It is a union, true. But most would still call it a nation.

I don't see why people would call it a nation, really. It's an English-dominated Union, and consists of at least five different nations plus a large number of external ethnic minorities. Its a very different place to somewhere like the Czech Republic or Poland, which are nation-states created specifically for Czechs and Poles, respectively.

 

[bewildred]

Salam to all,

It's a day to remember indeed for the younger ones who haven't known cold war and the Berlin wall. However, one should learn from the mistakes of the past. That wall was destroyed but nowadays, there are many other segrational walls such as the one in Palestine. There's another 'wall' for a muslim nation that is still colonized. I never heard anyone in here talk about it. It's the Occidental Sahara that is still colonized by Morroco and its Muslim people is oppressed in the general indifference.

How many walls are we still ignoring??????


S.

 

[Fishman]

Salam to all,

It's a day to remember indeed for the younger ones who haven't known cold war and the Berlin wall. However, one should learn from the mistakes of the past. That wall was destroyed but nowadays, there are many other segrational walls such as the one in Palestine. There's another 'wall' for a muslim nation that is still colonized. I never heard anyone in here talk about it. It's the Occidental Sahara that is still colonized by Morroco and its Muslim people is oppressed in the general indifference.

How many walls are we still ignoring??????


S.

Though rememberance day isn't really about the Cold War and the fall of the Berlin Wall, I agree that there are still loads of things going on in the world that deserve to be righted. Palestine is the big one which people talk about all the time, but what about Burma, or places in Africa?

 

[Supreme]

Indeed, Sudan comes to mind. I saw a documentary on south Sudan the other day. The people there desperately want independence, but the north is stirring things up through tribal conflicts.

 

[Supreme]

I don't see why people would call it a nation, really. It's an English-dominated Union, and consists of at least five different nations plus a large number of external ethnic minorities. Its a very different place to somewhere like the Czech Republic or Poland, which are nation-states created specifically for Czechs and Poles, respectively.

Seeing as England is the largest country in the union, in both size and population, it is hardly surprising that the UK is dominated by England.

Also, five nations? You're not one of those Cornish nationalists are you? There's only four.

 

[glo]

Germany is one of the few countries in the world where being a Nazi and having Nazi affiliated objects is a crime.

True, but only because Germany has learned from its mistakes ... the HARD way and at great cost and sacrifice of many!