Non-Islamic Salaat?

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How do you feel about somebody mixing the Salaat movements with non-Islamic prayer?

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^I agree totally with Mustafa. Salat is not just about the movements. We bow and we prostrate to God as how Muhammad sallallah alayh wa sallam taught his follwers to do. Salah is what Allah prescribed for those who believe in him and follow his messenger. To pray like that without reading in it what Rasulullah taught, and mentioning words of shirk in it would be total mockery. Its painful even to think of it.
 
doorster said:
how do Christians of Ethiopia pray? anybody know?
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I've seen from either Discovery ot NAtl Geographuc about a search og the Lost Ark in Ethiopia....the Ethiopian Coptic Orthodox Churches are as empty as a mosque and they prayer movement is almost just like the Muslims (with ruku' and sujud)...

The white guy in that documentary even commented that those Ethiopians pray like Muslims..

And years ago I've seen an Israeli movie called "Women", a rabbi pray almost likely as the Muslims too...

I think the way we performing the salah existed before Prophet Muhammad was here... just with a lil bit of differences
 
I don't care if a Christian uses this method of worship. But I would discourage muslims from starting new ways of worship.
 
'And going a little farther,
He threw Himself upon the ground on His face and prayed saying,oh My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will [not what I desire], but as You will and desire'. Matthew 26:39

'Then David rose from the ground washed (ablution) & anointed himself & put on fresh clothes,he entered the house of lord & prostrated (sujood) himself ther' Samuel 12:20

'They shall wash their hands feet so that will not die,this is to be a lasting ordinance for Aaron & his decendants for the generations to come' Exodus 30:21

'And Moses & Aaron & his son used it to wash their hands & feet'
Exodus 40:31

I will praise YOU as long as i live & in your name,i will lift up my hands
PSALM 63:4


And Abraham fell on his face & God talked with him...
Genesis 17:3


...they fell upon their faces & the glory of the Lord appeared unto them
Number 20:6


fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the Lord until eventide...
Joshua 7:6


...they boned themselves with their faces to the ground upon the pavement,worshipped...
2 Chronicles 7:3


...Lifting up their hands & they bowed their heads & worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground...
Nehemiah 8:61


Even Jesus pbuh disciples heard this ,they fell facedown to the ground,terrified
Mathew 17:6


...bent down to the ground & put his face between his knees..
1 Kings 18:42


...they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground,and they worshipped & gave thanks to the LORD
2 Chronicles 7:3

...fell before the throne on their faces and worshipped God...
Revelations 7:11

Come let us bow down in worship,let us kneel before the LORD our Maker
Psalm 95:6

...all who go down to the dust will kneel before him...
Psalm 22:29

Manoah & his wife fell with their faces to the ground..
Judges 13:20

When all the people & cried -
"THE LORD - HE IS GOD!"
"THE LORD - HE IS GOD!"
1 Kings 18:39

...I fell upon my face & cried & said : Oh Lord God!
Ezekiel 9:8

...David rose out of place toward the south & felldown his face to the grounds bowed himself three times..
1 Samuel 20:41

And Joshua fell on his face to the earth,& his worship & said unto him,what saith my LORD unto his servant?
Joshua 5:14

..And it came to pass,that,when Abrahams servant heard their words,he worshipped the Lord Bowing himself to the earth...
Genesis 24:52



Sister glo praying like muslims is not a bad idea,if you want to fall on your face and pray to god ,like (abraham,jesus,david,joshua and moses) then do that but dont pray to 3 but only 1*







*"I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9
 
glo said:
I came in another forum across a non-Muslim (a Christian actually), who is considering using the Islamic Salaat prayer movement for non-Islamic prayer.

To explain a little further, these are the points which she would adopt from the Islamic prayer:

  • To pray five times daily
  • To use the prescribed movements
  • To wash before prayer
  • To cover her head and body during prayer

the point isn't to just pray 5 times daily, the point is base your life around the 5 Fard[mandatory] prayers; pre-sunrise becomes Fajr, (after sunrise - Duha), just past noon becomes Duhr, mid afternoon becomes Asr, just after sunset becomes Mahgrib and total darkness becomes Isha (with Tahhajud time before Fajr again. Allah[swt] gives us everything for free, so we dedicate our time for Him[swt]. it's HARDER to give in to Shaytan[to sin] when Allah[swt] is foremost on your mind and i'll see if i can link a Muft Menk lecture where he discusses how "Islamic" prayer can actually train you to avoid sin!

there ARE health benefits for the "movements" and wuduu, but it may take a wee bit of time to find a good link.

covering the head and body are good ESPECIALLY if they lead to doing the same whenever in public!




These are the points in which she would differ:
  • Not turning towards Mekka, but to another area of focus (could be a place or a candle - personal preference)
  • Praying to the Trinity
  • Neither praying the Islamic prayer, nor in Arabic
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    these be the bad parts...

    Now, I haven't decided yet, how I as a non-Muslim feel about her idea.

    I thought I'd scope your opinions and thoughts by starting this thread and poll.

    The options are left deliberately sumple. I basically want to know whether you think this is totally out of order, or perfectly alright, or something inbetween ...
    Please feel free to give additional reasons and detail in your own posts.

    Thanks :)
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    listen to, if you so desire, to the lecture entitled Salaah:

    http://www.nazirakoob.com/menk/Vol1.html

    and again, [and don't think i'm picking on you!], give this a listen if you ever have time:

    http://www.kalamullah.com/al-fatihah.html

    we don't use Arabic "just because!" it is used because it is the perfect vehicle for Worshipping Allah[swt] from someone who pretty much flunked English and had NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to learn a "foreign" language, i am continually AMAZED to the beauty and the utility of Quraish Arabic!

    it's almost Fajr time, i need to go make wudu! i hope that you find these words useful!

    :w:
 
Hi Glo,

I share similar views to Abdul Fattah's on this. The plus point is that it shows interest and acceptability of some aspects of Islam. So there is a very good chance of it increasing and leading to reversion. On the other hand I feel slightly uncomfortable to think someone is praying in the 'Islamic' way, yet associating partners with God. Instead of voting, I opted for the safest way out, which is asking Allah to guide all the non muslims to the Truth. Ameen
 
Peace Glo:

This was an excellent question and food for thought. :sunny:

I have to agree totally with my knowledgeable brother MustafaMc. In my opinion he is absolutely right.

There are reasons Muslims pray the way they do. It means something and is not just a mindless "line dance" so to speak. This person following the motions is pointless really. If someone asked her why she did that, how would she answer? She couldn't. To be honest, the covering part of her created ritual is the most strange in my opinion. Muslim women don't cover just for prayer. We cover most of the time because we are ordained to cover to protect our modesty at all times. (In the same way a Nun does. A Nun doesn't cover and uncover upon entering and leaving a church). So, what reason would this lady give for covering during prayer?

I think she has to seriously look at WHY she is doing this. It's like she is just blindly copying the Muslim prayer with no rhyme nor reason for it.

It would be like me following the Catholic Christian actions, of receiving the host, making the sign of the cross, shaking hands and saying "peace", etc., and then saying, "but I'm doing it in an Islamic way" :muddlehea

It makes no sense at all. So, after reading and thinking about it, I just don't think it's a good idea and is certainly not logical. However, it sounds like she is slowly being guided towards Islam, so Alhamdulillah for that! :sunny:

Excellent question and very thought provoking. I'm looking forward to reading other opinions.

Thanks Glo! :happy:

With peace,
Hana
 
MustafaMc said:
I am a Muslim and I think it is a bad idea. Perhaps the intentions are good, but I see it as hypocritical at best and mocking of Islam at worst. Salah was prescribed by Allah to Muhammad (saaws) during the night journey to Jerusalem (al-Isra) and the ascension to Heaven (al-Mi'raj). It is the fundamental act that separates a believer from an unbeliever that is recognized the world over as Islamic worship of Allah. Salah begins with Bismillah Rahmani Raheem, In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate and it does NOT end "In the name of your Son, Jesus".
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As I understand it, the question was regarding the movements of the salah only.
 
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Benefits of Wudu: [taken from here:http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080510003410AASSaHm]




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Asalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakathuhu.

Wudu and its medical benefits:

In a scientific study carried out by a number of medical professors of a university of one of the Arab Muslim countries it was confirmed that a person who performs Wudu’ (Ritual Ablution) five times a day cleanses his nose from germs, dust and other connected things. It was also confirmed that those who do not perform Wudu’ (Ritual Ablution) are more liable to a number of different kinds of germs, nearly 11 kinds of germs.



Undoubtedly, Wudu’ (Ritual Ablution) protects the body from mycosis in the toes, skin infections and suppurations as well as pus accumulations. It also minimizes possibility of skin cancers, as it removes chemical substances from the skin before they accumulate thereon. That is why skin cancers are rare in Islamic countries.



Also, massage of the different parts of the body, which is done in Wudu’ (Ritual Ablution), stimulates blood circulation and causes more blood to flow through the whole body, particularly to the brain and kidneys. Moreover, Wudu’ prevents mal-function of the central nerve system and activates memory. In this context, it goes without saying that in Islam Salat (Prayer) is not proper or acceptable away from purity of body, garments, and place of prayer. To this effect, Abi Malik Al-Ash’ari, quoted Allah’s Messenger, (PBUH), as saying, “Cultic purity constitutes one half of Faith. (Invoking), ‘Praise belongs to Allah!’ fills the Scale (of man’s good deeds). (Invoking), ‘Glory and Praise belong to Allah!’ fills all that is between the heavens and the earth. Salat (Prayer) is light. Charity is evidence. Patience is enlightenment. And the Quran is a proof either for you or against you. Every one goes along (a different wake of life), purchasing one’s own self: either setting it free (from sins and misdeeds) or jailing it (in sins and misdeeds).” [Narrated by Muslim (223), At-Tirmithi (3517), Ibn Majah (280), Ahmad (22953), and Ad-Darimi (653)]



By virtue of statistics carried out by the International Health Organization, the number of people that suffer from diseases caused by impurity or dirtiness was amazingly 300,000,000 people. Intentionally or unintentionally, however, Muslims, who are commanded to perform Wudu’ (Ritual Ablution), are free from such diseases, simply because Wudu’ (Ritual Ablution) prevents such diseases of impurity that are, therefore, unknown among Muslims.



It has been rightly said: “Making use of something is not part of the knowledge thereof.” In other words, it is possible that you perform Wudu’ (Ritual Ablution) by way of obedience to the Lord, Allah, All-Mighty, and, hence, you reap the good fruits thereof, even though you may not know all, or any, of the benefits of Wudu’. If you desire to get the benefits of Allah’s Divine Commands, all you have to do is to obey them, believing that they are the Absolute Good coming from Allah, All-Mighty, Most Gracious.



To sum up, when man commits himself to Allah’s Divine Religion, he is made to live in utmost happiness and prosperity, utmost welfare and protection, utmost security and safety, and utmost success and achievement. This is because welfare, all welfare, prosperity, all prosperity, success, all success, excellence, all excellence, and wisdom, all wisdom, are in obeying the Lord, Allah, All-Mighty, Most Gracious. To this effect, Allah, Glory to Him, says, “And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger has indeed achieved a great achievement.” [XXXIII; 71]

and of course, Allah[swt] knows best!

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Having been raised as a strict Catholic in the 1940s I find very little differnce in the way Muslims pray and they way the old Catholics used too. I voted it is a good idea as in some ways it was my old Catholic upbringing that helped me see the beauty and truth of Islam.
 
doorster said:
how do Christians of Ethiopia pray? anybody know?
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http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=aSkj9-tucW8&feature=related

Warning: wind & string instruments in the song.

Ethipian Orthodox Christians perform Salah thrice daily facing East. This is similar to how Sephardic Jews still pray. Ashkenazi Jews used to pray like this until a century ago, but now, however, only do so during Yom Kippur and other important fast days.
 
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Malaikah said:
Glo,

Did she mention her reasons for wanting to pray that way?
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I think she felt the focus on a fixed ritual was helpful to her.
Incidentally, I haven't heard of she is still doing it, and how she is getting on.

She did mention that she felt a little uneasy about doing something which Muslims may perceive to be blasphemous ... which I why I asked the question here.

Thanks all, for your input! It's much appreciated. :)
 

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