Pastor with 666 tattoo claims to be divine

[Zulkiflim]

Why is everyone so harsh of these people believing him? Is he any different then a bunch of people following Moses, Jesus, Muhommad, or Budha?

What is the difference? They all made outrageous claims.

Who are people who believe in religions to talk?

Salaam,

Well lets see,when you are in front of a judge and you need people who would testify..

Would you take any person or a person who has knowledge relevant to the case?

same with religion,this man claim a "flow" from the mono religion,and thus we can rebut.

Like many other poster here have said,NOI is condemned world wide.
We condemn it and its follower for we know what they are doing is wrong.

Same as we condemn this cult.

 

[Philosopher]

You can watch a small video of him here =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=037HvQ1TyGM

In my opinion, this man is blasphemy. Not only for Muslims, but for Christians too. He claims to be Jesus. The following verse from the Bible refutes the "divinity" of this man:

Mathew 24:5 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

 

[aLiTTLeTiMe]

suphanallah!!!that is interesting..

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: You can watch a small video of him here =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=037HvQ1TyGM

In my opinion, this man is blasphemy. Not only for Muslims, but for Christians too. He claims to be Jesus. The following verse from the Bible refutes the "divinity" of this man:

Mathew 24:5 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

I concur with your conclusion. However, I still think it is important that one uses proper logic when turning to the scriptures.

Jesus did say that many would come in his name saying that they were the Christ. Further, it is also true that there are those who would come in his name that were indeed not the Christ, and so they would be deceiving any followers who thought they were the Christ.

But here is where we have to be careful with logic. It is false to simply jump to the conclusion that anytime we meet someone who claims to have come in Jesus' name by saying that he is the Christ that this is one of those deceivers which Jesus warned about. Jesus also promised to return someday. We expect him to come in a different way than this man came, but Jesus was expected to come in a different way than he actually came the first time also. So, that he fits the simple description of a deceiver is not what makes him a deceiver, for perhaps even the real Christ will appear that way to some.

For me what so boldly illustrates that he has nothing to do with the real Christ is how he mocks and even attacks everything that is associated with Christ. I do not believe that Christ would stand against himself. He says things like: "there is no devil and no sin". His followers, he says, literally can do no wrong in God's eyes. How contrary to the actual message of Jesus.

 

[Muslim Knight]

Re: You can watch a small video of him here =)

Why is everyone so harsh of these people believing him? Is he any different then a bunch of people following Moses, Jesus, Muhommad, or Budha?

What is the difference? They all made outrageous claims.

Who are people who believe in religions to talk?

For me what so boldly illustrates that he has nothing to do with the real Christ is how he mocks and even attacks everything that is associated with Christ. I do not believe that Christ would stand against himself. He says things like: "there is no devil and no sin". His followers, he says, literally can do no wrong in God's eyes. How contrary to the actual message of Jesus.

I am more inclined to Grace Seeker's view on this. The pastor absolves the accountability of himself and that of his followers.

Buddhism teaches total restraint from worldly pleasures as opposed to indulgence. Every prophet in the Abrahamic religions has come to preach about God, enjoining good and avoiding sins. The common ground between these three religions is that they all teach people to be faithful and good.

In contrast, the pastor is teaching his followers that they will NOT be accountable for their actions. So what stops them from sinning, doing evil and harming others? This is a terrorist teaching! This is terrorism without a mask. This is why it raises major concern. Too many false prophets have led their people to their doom, causing death and destruction with no real contribution to world peace, here like this guy here.

So in answer to ManchesterFolk's earlier statement, there is difference between the prophets of the Abrahamic religions and the pastor who claims divinity. The former teaches God, enjoining good and avoiding evil while the latter absolves accountability.

 

[Woodrow]

All I can think of is how similar this is to the early days of:

Jim Jones

David Koresh

and the guy who founded the Heaven Gate group.

 

[Strzelecki]

666 isn't the devil's number anyhow. Isn't it 616?

 

[Malaikah]

Why is everyone so harsh of these people believing him? Is he any different then a bunch of people following Moses, Jesus, Muhommad, or Budha?

What is the difference? They all made outrageous claims.

Who are people who believe in religions to talk?

The Prophets of God had their signs from God- turning his stick thing in to a snake, resurrecting the dead, splitting the moon, the Quran etc.

Not only that, but their message is believable.

They don't claim to be God!! +o(

Also, this guy is claiming to be Jesus, but he goes against almost everything in the bible. Not to mention, doesn't Jesus return after the anti-Christ according to Christian belief? I don't see no anti-christ yet, theres still a lot of signs that need to be fulfilled before Jesus returns! Talk about inconsistencies!

(He isn't even the correct race, is he? Jesus was Jewish!)

 

[Grace Seeker]

666 isn't the devil's number anyhow. Isn't it 616?

I can't speak for others, but within Christianity there is one school of thought that when the antiChrist comes that he will cause people to have the number 666 put on their foreheads and forearms. Now, with this man we see that number, but being tatooed in other places. Of course, this is just one school of though, others think that we already see it in things like credit cards that are often 18 digits long, divided into 3 sets of 6 digit numbers. Sorry, I can't fill you in more; it is not the sort of subject I pay that much attention to. Now if you want to know more about Jim Jones, ask me that. My father went to school with Jim Jones, and he even came to my dad for advice when the first church he sought to become pastor of rejected him because of concerns regarding his psychological character.

 

[Malaikah]

I can't speak for others, but within Christianity there is one school of thought that when the antiChrist comes that he will cause people to have the number 666 put on their foreheads and forearms.

Interesting, Muslims believe he will brand peoples forehead using the ring of Solomon, and it will say either kafir or Muslim. EDIT- actually, it isn't him, it is the beast of the earth who does that.

What does the 666 mean?

 

[Keltoi]

Interesting, Muslims believe he will brand peoples forehead using the ring of Solomon, and it will say either kafir or Muslim.

What does the 666 mean?

All I know is that its the "Number of the Beast"...why that number in particular I couldn't say.

 

[Grace Seeker]

All I know is that its the "Number of the Beast"...why that number in particular I couldn't say.

Ditto. It is not a subject that I have a strong interest in, but if you do, you might check out the writings of people who enjoy biblical eschatology.

There are both good and bad sites out there I'm sure, but at present I would be hard pressed to discern which was which. So, for a sample of the fare, and without comment as to the quality of the scholarship, I share a portion of what writer that I am not even familiar with had to say regarding your question:

In this chapter of Revelation we have seen that those who worship the beast will be the buyers and sellers and will receive the mark of this beast in their right hand or in their foreheads. By the same token, all those who will not worship this beast shall not receive of his mark, and will be killed. God informs, "here is wisdom, let he who has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of man, and his number is six hundred threescore and six." Do we count chronologically by one until we reach six hundred threescore and six? That would be ridiculous of course. But God didn't give us any other number to count with or by, so obviously He wants us to simply count "that" single number. He didn't say add it to another number, He didn't say assign letters for numbers, He didn't say to calculate it using Hebrew numerology, and He didn't say that it was three six's. The number is not 6 three times, it is "literally" 600, +60 +6. And so as faithful servants of God, we should do exactly as God has instructed. We count this number the only way it can be counted. As the number of itself. Since it is the number of man, but not of all men (only those marked), we obviously count it as the number of unsaved man, that is part of the whole. Spiritually speaking, we could the number of man who has come under bondage to Satan. Six hundred threescore and six counted as "this part" of man, is two thirds. And not coincidentally, we find that is the number of man that God assigns for those of the house of God who will be cut off. And so our Biblical conclusions that this number signifies those who are of the Church are become deceived, is confirmed on multiple fronts.

 

[Muslim Knight]

Interesting, Muslims believe he will brand peoples forehead using the ring of Solomon, and it will say either kafir or Muslim.

What does the 666 mean?

I might be mistaken but aren't Dabbatul Ardh (Beast of the Earth) and Al-Masih Dajjal (the False Messiah, Anti-Christ) two completely different entities?

The Anti-Christ will deceive the people and sow much unbelief in the world but it is the Beast who will brand people, using the Ring of Solomon, as believers and unbelievers.

 

[north_malaysian]

using the Ring of Solomon

what's that? Is it like the ring in LOTR?

 

[Malaikah]

I might be mistaken but aren't Dabbatul Ardh (Beast of the Earth) and Al-Masih Dajjal (the False Messiah, Anti-Christ) two completely different entities?

The Anti-Christ will deceive the people and sow much unbelief in the world but it is the Beast who will brand people, using the Ring of Solomon, as believers and unbelievers.

Oh, oops. :hiding: I knew I was confusing something...:-\