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Police raids target 'terror plot'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6315989.stm

Home Secretary John Reid has been kept informed of developments
Eight people have been arrested under the Terrorism Act in Birmingham after a "significant" operation involving police and security service MI5.
A number of houses in the city have been sealed off after morning raids.

Security sources have told the BBC the alleged plot would not have involved mass casualties but marked "a different approach to terrorism in the UK".

The "nationwide operation" involved the Midlands counter terrorism unit, west Midlands Police and the Met Police.

Some of the raids are thought to have been in the Alum Rock area of the city.

BBC News website readers have also reported police activity in the early hours of Wednesday morning on Stratford Road, in the Sparkhill area.

Public co-operation

The eight are suspected of "the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism".

The Home Office said Home Secretary John Reid had been fully briefed.

"This operation is a reminder of the real and serious nature of the terrorist threat we face," a spokeswoman said.

In a statement, West Midlands Police asked for the "continued support and co-operation of the public".

"Our message to people living in the West Midlands is to remain vigilant," the statement added.

The raided houses are now being searched by officers


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Here we go again, I am sure we have all been here before, press releases, arrests,and creation of widespread hysteria. Lets hope this time they have actual evidence which can used to prove that these people were in fact involved with terrorism, because the Government and anti-terror police are beginning to sound like the boy who cried woolf as the bungle raid after raid and arrest the innocent and ruin peoples lives and reputation.
 
assalaamu alaykum,

sky news is reported that the ALLEGED plot involved kidnapping a serving apostate pretend-muslim soldier and killing him.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
assalaamu alaykum,

sky news is reported that the ALLEGED plot involved kidnapping a serving apostate pretend-muslim soldier and killing him.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
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"serving apostate pretend-Muslim soldier"....quite a mouthful, what exactly is that?
 
Keltoi said:
"serving apostate pretend-Muslim soldier"....quite a mouthful, what exactly is that?
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it would be a soldier, who is someone who claims their faith is islam but has aposticated and left islam due to their actions of being a serving soldier involved in a war against his brothers and sisters in islam.

this is only going on what reports are coming out at the moment, the target could be someone else entirely or it could be another bodge job where they get innocent people or the wrong people entirely which the british police are quire good at doing.

Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
it would be a soldier, who is someone who claims their faith is islam but has aposticated and left islam due to their actions of being a serving soldier involved in a war against his brothers and sisters in islam.

this is only going on what reports are coming out at the moment, the target could be someone else entirely or it could be another bodge job where they get innocent people or the wrong people entirely which the british police are quire good at doing.

Abu Abdullah
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I don't know whether the plot was real or not, but theoretically if this was the motive for a terrorist attack, would you support such an action?
 
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Dawud_uk said:
it would be a soldier, who is someone who claims their faith is islam but has aposticated and left islam due to their actions of being a serving soldier involved in a war against his brothers and sisters in islam.
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An interesting, if nonsensical, concept. It must follow logically that no muslim could serve in any army, or indeed 'resistance' group, insurgent group, terrorist group or anybody else involved, or ever likely to be involved, in a war against "his brothers and sisters in islam". That includes Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihaad and just about everybody in Iraq, the Sudan, Somalia and Afghanistan.

In fact, it's not nonsensical, it's brilliant. Just think how much more peaceful the world would be!


Back to reality. As usual we don't yet know the facts, but if they are as Sky states we can only be thankful this cowardly barbarity has been prevented.
 
Keltoi said:
I don't whether the plot was real or not, but theoretically if this was the motive for a terrorist attack, would you support such an action?
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tricky question...

yes and no.

because they the 'alleged' were british residents most scholars would say they would not be allowed to carry out such acts though a tiny minority of disagree but we can say clearly that most scholars and muslims say it is not permissable to carry out such acts even if the kuffar break their side of the covenant. so therefore no.

but is it permissable for mujahadeen to kill someone who has fought against the muslims? yes.

i.e same as theo van gogh, permissable for the muslims as a whole to kill him? yes according to scholars who have said the one who insults Allah and his messenger like he did.

but permissable for the moroccan immigrant that did it? obviously most scholars gonna say no because he was an immigrant to netherlands so should have stuck to the covenant even if the nation in question breaks the covenant first.

Abu Abdullah
 
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We've been here before, the airline plot, Forest Gate, I actually doubt anything will stick. probably just to keep the public on it's toes, this goverment is starting to look like the script for the show '24'.
 
Dawud_uk said:
tricky question...

yes and no.

because they the 'alleged' were british residents most scholars would say they would not be allowed to carry out such acts though a tiny minority of disagree but we can say clearly that most scholars and muslims say it is not permissable to carry out such acts even if the kuffar break their side of the covenant. so therefore no.

but is it permissable for mujahadeen to kill someone who has fought against the muslims? yes.

i.e same as theo van gogh, permissable for the muslims as a whole to kill him? yes according to scholars who have said the one who insults Allah and his messenger like he did.

but permissable for the moroccan immigrant that did it? obviously most scholars gonna say no because he was an immigrant to netherlands so should have stuck to the covenant even if the nation in question breaks the covenant first.

Abu Abdullah
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All that "Islamophobia" comes out of nowhere huh?....

At this rate even other Muslims will start having Islamophobia.
 
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Dawud_uk said:
but is it permissable for mujahadeen to kill someone who has fought against the muslims? yes.
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Does that include themselves, considering that vast majority of those killed by assorted 'muhajadeen' over the last few years have been muslims? Or wee the dead not 'proper' muslims simply because they are on the wrong side?

If that is true, then surely it is legitimate for muslims on that 'wrong' side to kidnap and execute 'muhajadeen' for precisely the same reasons, believing them to be on the wrong side?



Keltoi said:
All that "Islamophobia" comes out of nowhere huh?....
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Indeed. It is a problem both muslims and non-muslims must honestly admit they are both partially responsible for. Only that way can it be ended.
 
and there was a Muslim woman with explosive drinks or whatever.Obviously turned to be cow dung and then a man separated from his family on his way to US.
there were those two brothers who were shot and found innocent.Unless found guilty by hard evidence or implicit proof I am not believing in this.
 
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Emir Aziz said:
and there was a Muslim women with explosive drinks or whatever.Obviously turned to be cow dung and then a man separated from his family on his way to US.
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Those people weren't charged I presume? What is your point? With a large terrorist plot like that some mistakes will be made. I'm sure the authorities thought it better to side with caution and make every effort to ensure this plot was foiled.
 
I hope there are no mistakes.On the other hand if these allegations turn out to be true I have nothing more to say.
 
Keltoi said:
Those people weren't charged I presume? What is your point? With a large terrorist plot like that some mistakes will be made. I'm sure the authorities thought it better to side with caution and make every effort to ensure this plot was foiled.
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Yep, scary mistakes.
 
:sl: Maktabah was raided and a brother from there arrested...why???? not as if he wrote or produced everything he sells...it's pathetic if you ask me...!