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Assalamu Alaykum brothers and Sisters. Please could you visit the following link and sign the petition to close Guantanamo Bay prison forever. There is already 78,254 that have signed the petition, help them get to 100,000 inshallah .www.avaaz.org/en/close_guantanamo
Please could you also spread the word so inshallah more people can sign the petition.
jazzakallahu khair for your help
 
Where are the "guests" going to go?

Take for eg., the Saudi nationals. What do you think would happen to them if they were "repatriated"?

How about Ramzi bin Al Shib? Do you think Pakistan wants him back?

This is the real world people.
 
Yeah guys, where all the terrorists would go? Don't tell me they would actually be charged or given a lawyer. Come on people, it's a real world with real laws.
 
Khan-Ghalgha said:
Yeah guys, where all the terrorists would go? Don't tell me they would actually be charged or given a lawyer. Come on people, it's a real world with real laws.
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Do you think the U.S. will put these guys in a general population prison? Human rights groups would throw a fit. These people, if found guilty, will be in a military prison, whether Gitmo or another.
 
Khan-Ghalgha said:
Yeah guys, where all the terrorists would go? Don't tell me they would actually be charged or given a lawyer. Come on people, it's a real world with real laws.
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Kinda like this, oh sagacious one?


From Mike Mount
CNN
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Three suspected terrorists connected with the September 11, 2001, attacks have gone before judicial panels charged with determining whether they can be detained indefinitely, the Pentagon said Monday.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected 9/11 mastermind; Ramzi bin al-Shibh, another key 9/11 planner; and Abu Faraz al-Libby, a top al Qaeda planner, separately appeared before three-judge panels last week, Pentagon official said.

Called combatant status review tribunals, the hearings determine whether detainees should be classified as enemy combatants, who can be held indefinitely and are eligible for military trials.

The men are part of a group of 14 detainees who were once held in secret CIA prisons before President Bush ordered their transfers to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in September.

Al-Libby and al-Shibh attended hearings Friday, while Mohammed faced judges Saturday at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, officials said.

Pentagon officials said another high-value detainee will go through a hearing Monday. The Pentagon did not identify the detainee.

Though similar hearings have been open to the media, last week's hearings were closed to reporters and the detainees' lawyers because of fears that detainees might divulge classified information, the officials said.

The hearings lasted between two and three hours, officials said. It could be weeks before the outcomes are known because the findings must be sent to higher authorities for approval.

All 14 men transferred to Guantanamo in September were given access to military advisers who assist them during hearings but offer no legal assistance. The men are given only an unclassified summary of the evidence against them. They are allowed to call witnesses to testify on their behalf.

The Pentagon has said it would release an edited transcript of each hearing and the unclassified summary of evidence against each detainee after the hearings.

The reports will be edited to prevent the release of information that could jeopardize national security, Pentagon officials said.

The hearings for the 14 terror suspects are expected to last through April, according to Pentagon officials.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/12/gitmo.hearings/index.html

The Congress passed a specific law authorizing the Tribunals, the SCOTUS turned down the appeal of those facing justice, and Bin al Shibh and Khaled Muhammed are having their days in court. When they are likely convicted, they will be moving to the Supermax Federal Prison in Colorado (most likely), where they will grow old or to some other garden spot for execution.

What's his face, the Australian chap, already confessed. I think he is going to Australian custody. But further down the list, there will be some real hotheads without the same paper trail who will be harder to prosecute. I ask again, what do you think would happen to a Saudi national with plausible ties to Al Quaeda who is deported from Gitmo to Saudi?
 
You talk about top 14 dudes being prosecuted, I was kinda referring to like 300-400 or more "unlawful combatants".
Actually americans choose what to do with people they capture, and there is nothing I can do to change that, yet at least
I like that - "the sagaciuos one", my english is weak, what does that mean? derived from 'saga' I assume.

What's his face, the Australian chap, already confessed. I think he is going to Australian custody. But further down the list, there will be some real hotheads without the same paper trail who will be harder to prosecute. I ask again, what do you think would happen to a Saudi national with plausible ties to Al Quaeda who is deported from Gitmo to Saudi?
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How should I know, and why this question suppose to bother me?
 
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Khan-Ghalgha said:
You talk about top 14 dudes being prosecuted, I was kinda referring to like 300-400 or more "unlawful combatants".
Actually americans choose what to do with people they capture, and there is nothing I can do to change that, yet at least
I like that - "the sagaciuos one", my english is weak, what does that mean? derived from 'saga' I assume.



How should I know, and why this question suppose to bother me?
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You do realize that those 300 would have been on trial already but THEIR LAWYERS filed petitions with the US Supreme Court to stop the trials? They have just gotten done with the petitions and the US government are ready to proceed with their case. Besides how many trials have their been on the other side? I bet Daniel Pearl wish he would have been put in a cell instead of being you know headless.
 
Idris said:
Guantánamo: Symbol of US Hypocrisy.....
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What hypocrisy is that? Would you rather they were just shot? Or better yet..beheaded? The only reason these people are still waiting for trial is because their lawyers, many of them military appointed, asked the Supreme Court to intervene. That's right, the same evil U.S. military supplies these people with legal representation who attempted to get them released through the Supreme Court. If that hadn't happened, these people would have been charged and put on trial a year ago or earlier.
 
I love how Guantanamo is such a hated thing, many would say why do you think that? I tell them this, we are apparently at war with a group or groups of people who wish to threaten the security of our country. Since we are at war, we are allowed to keep prisoners of war, is this not correct? Since this war will not be over until all of these people either stop or are killed, the people can be held until the war is over, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I dont believe that is in violation of any international laws or otherwise. The enemy chooses to behead our men whether they be military or otherwise, we choose to capture our enemies and give them trials to find if they are guilty or innocent. Since we caught them fair and square it is our right to do that, my advice, you dont wanna be in Gitmo dont put yourself in a position to be put there. DUH, LONG LIVE GITMO!
 
You are correct, you choose what to do with people you capture, you're in control, we can only bla bla bla about it, and do nothing as of now.

International laws proved to be a joke anyway, those vague geneva conventions, they serve no purpose, waste of paper.
 
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Khan-Ghalgha said:
It's simply precious, I get one of those "Zen moments" when I read this.
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I call it "foreign pop culture" because that is what it has become. I liken it to the Roswell "UFO" landing back in the 50's. Every conspiracy and mad scheme for world domination is attributed to the U.S., and there are plenty of people that soak that stuff up like a sponge.