refering to muslims as non muslims

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if one refers to a muslim as a non muslim because he doesn't follow certain pillars or perfoms certain haram acts, isnt that wrong? isn't Allah the only one that can judge weather someone is muslim or not? is there any hadith or verse from the quran regarding this matter?
 
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Insha Allaah this is useful;


Shaykh Ahmad Fareed hafidhahullaah

The Messenger sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said: "He who says to his brother 'O Disbeliever', then it returns upon one of them." [1] He also said: "And he who accuses a believer of Kufr (disbelief) then it is like killing him." [2]

Imaam an-Nawawee said, "They differ as regards interpretation of this "returning", so it is said, "Kufr returns upon him if he is making that lawful", and this is far from the context of the narration, and it is said, "it is taken to refer to the Khawaarij", since they declare believers to be Kaafiroon (disbelievers)."[3]

Imaam al-Haafidh (Ibn Hajr) says, "And what is correct is that the hadith (narration from the Messenger sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam was said as a warning against a Muslim saying that to his brother. It is said, "What returns upon him is his speaking ill of his brother and the sin of declaring him a kaafir (disbeliever)", and this is reasonable. It is also said, "It is to be feared that this will lead him into kufr", just as it is said, "sins leads towards kufr". Thus it is feared that if he continues in that and persists in it then he will have a bad end. I prefer from these sayings that it refers to the one who says it to someone from whom nothing is known except Islaam and there is no justification or reason for him to claim that he is a kaafir. So in such a case he becomes a kaafir himself because of that, and this will be explained. So the meaning of the hadith is that his judgement of takfeer (making someone a kaafir) returns upon himself, so what is meant is takfeer not kufr. So it is as if he passed judgement of kuft upon himself since he passed this judgement on one who is like him (ie. a muslim)"[4]

Imaam ash-Shawkaanee said, "Judging that a Muslim has left Islaam and entered into Kufr is something that is not fitting for a Muslim who believes in Allaah and the Last Day except with a proof (Burhaan) which is clearer than the daytime sun, since it is established in the authentic hadith reported by a group of Companions that he who says to his brother "O Kaafir!" Then it returns back to one of them." In another wording, "Whoever addresses a man with Kufr, or says 'Enemy of Allaah' and he is not that, then it returns back upon him"[5]

So in these ahadith (plural of hadith) and others similar to them, there is the severest reprimand and the greatest warning against hurrying to perform takfeer. Allaah, The Mighty and Majestic says:
" ... and such as open their breasts to disbelief ... " [Soorah an-Nahl 16:106]

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So what has to be the case is that the heart embraces kufr and is at peace with it, and the soul is satisfied with it. So the appearance of wicked beliefs only is not to be taken into account here, especially if one is ignorant of the fact that they are contrary to Islaam. Likewise account will not be taken of the appearance of an action of kufr for the one who did not intend to leave Islaam by it and enter into kufr, and likewise account will not be taken of a word spoken by a Muslim which is a saying of kufr, when he does not believe what it means."[6]

So where do they stand those who hasten to perform takfeer of the Muslims in relation to the saying of the Messenger sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam: "Abusing a Muslim is open sin and killing him is kufr" [7] And in relation to his saying: "The Muslim is the Brother of a Muslim, he does not oppress or forsake him." [8] Also in relation to his saying: "All of the Muslim to the Muslim is inviolable; his blood, his wealth and his honour." [9] ?

Imaam Al-Qurtubee says in his tafseer (exegesis/explanation) of Sooratul Hujuraat: " ... and His (Allaah) saying: "lest your deeds be rendered fruitless while you perceive it not'." [Soorah al-Hujuraat 49:2] does not mean that a person becomes a kaafir without knowing since just as a person does not become a believer except through choosing eemaan (faith) over kufr, then likewise a believer does not become a kaafir without intending kufr and choosing it, and there is consensus (ijma') regarding this."[10]

Footnotes

1. Reported by al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, Maalik, at-Tirmidhee and Abu Dawood.

2. Reported by al-Bukhaaree.

3. Abbreviated from an-Nawawee's "Sharh" (explanation) of Saheeh Muslim (2/50)

4. Abbreviated from "Fathul-Baaree" (10/466)

5. Hadith reported by Muslim (2/49 - Book of Eemaan).

6. Taken from "as-Sailul-Jarraar" (4/578) and adapted.

7. Reported by al-Bukhaaree and Muslim.

8. Reported by Muslim.

9. Reported by Muslim, Abu Daawood and at-Tirmidhee.

10. Tafseer of al-Qurtubee (7/6128).



http://www.islamicboard.com/sects-d...ing-perform-takfir-declare-person-kaafir.html​
 
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just a quick question, maybe abit off topic though: what is the difference between doing an act of kufr, and being a kaafir, if there is any.

jazakallahu khair
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A person might commit an act of kufr, but that does not mean the person has become a kafir. For example, the person might have been ignorant that the act was an act of kufr, and assuming the person has a good excuse for being ignorant of that knowledge, then inshaallah the person would not be a kafir.

Hope that helps!
 
to make it simple, any Muslim who commits major sins and says its not haram becomes a kaffir, like if he says fornication and alcohol isnt haram and he proceeds to commit these sins then he is a kaffir. however so if he says that fornication and alcohol is haram, but still commits these sins knowing hes doing wrong and deserveres a punishment then he is NOT a kaffir but has commited kufr.
 
is this all similar to how many muslims consider shias to be nonmuslims? I actually hear it all the time from my own friends and especially from people on online forums.
 
Oh and I don't mean to offend anyone when I ask this..I'm just asking since the majority of shias also consider themselves muslims.
 
:sl: I've heard that too. Like if someone drinks, they are considered to be non-Muslim, I've been told. I disagree. Yes, the person has done wrong and can be considered a sinner. But, only Allah SWT knows what's in that person's heart. Perhaps he/she has repented and since changed. I know in the Quran, it is written in several places that there are groups of people that will punished alongside the non-believers and that includes people who lie, kill for no reason, etc. But, I don't think we have a right to say who's a Muslim and who's not. That's only Allah SWT's right. Who knows, we may be committing a sin if we wrongly accuse someone of being a non-Muslim. :w:
 
just a quick question, maybe abit off topic though: what is the difference between doing an act of kufr, and being a kaafir, if there is any.
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A person might commit an act of kufr, but that does not mean the person has become a kafir. For example, the person might have been ignorant that the act was an act of kufr, and assuming the person has a good excuse for being ignorant of that knowledge, then inshaallah the person would not be a kafir.
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it depends if it is the big kufr or the small one. the big one (act of big kufr) makes you a kafir, but the small one doesn't but is very dangerous.
 
IslamistheTruth said:
is this all similar to how many muslims consider shias to be nonmuslims? I actually hear it all the time from my own friends and especially from people on online forums.
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The scholars have different verdicts, depending upon the beliefs held by a particular person or a sub-group. To give you an example, the mainstream sunni sect considers Abubakr(RA) the best person after the family of the prophets(peace on them), still it doesn't contribute towards the essentials of faith, likewise shia minority views Ali (RA) best amongst rightly guided caliphs, still it does not figure out amongst the pillars of faith( unless one consiers it to be). I will not indulge in sectarian discussion here, cz it leads us to nowhere, besides being the wastage of time, however the two sects have major differences, upon which the consensus can't be achieved till the day of judgement, when Allah Almighty will decide the fate of the communities in the presence of their respective prophets( peace on them).

Apart from the minor irritants, major differences, which decide the parting of ways between the two sects are :-

1. The concept of Immamate held by Shia (The sunnis don't accept, cz it strikes at the very root of prophethood and takes some individuals equal to the prophets and even higher to them.

2. Mutah (temp marriage). The sunnis don't accept and hold the opinion that it was banned by the prophet(pbuh) till the judgement by the orders of Allah Almighty.

3. Compilation of Holy Quran( the two sect differ).

4. Shia consider that many companions of the prophet(pbuh) turned their faces after prophet's departure, whereas sunnis deny these allegations.

5. The cursing of sahaba by shia can't be tolerated, even by the moderate sunnis.


Now if someone declares the other person kaafir, he has to be sure of other's beliefs. The learned scholars state, a person having belief in the concept of immamate and doubting about the compilation of holy quran and its alleged tehreef can't be considered as Muslim cz these beliefs take him out of the fold of Islam. So we should be careful and must avoid generalised statements.
 

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