Religious groups condemn US embassy gay event

[FS123]

Right... And that was confirmed by a detailed study of all the contemporary sociological and psychological journals of the times was it? :hiding: Get real.

Any sort of assessment of psychological states when we barely know the names of a few people concerned is totally impossible. Even when we know rather more because of the preservd literature, as with the Roman Emperors about all we can do is take a stab at whether they were mildly disturbed, completely crazy, or totally sociopathic. All the same, an interesting point. The article confirms the widespread and effectively general taboo and the reasons for it, but obviously the damage is potentially mitigated to some degree by an environment where the practice is generally accepted. But in the 21st century, with which we are concerned, there are no such societies so the point is mute.

Yea there is not much evidence against it in 21 century as it is banned on arbitrary reasoning. Jon Haidt calls it moral dumbfounding:

Jonathan Haidt (2001) greatly de-emphasizes the role of reasoning in reaching moral conclusions. Moral judgment is primarily given rise to by intuition with reasoning playing a very marginalized role in most of our moral decision-making. Conscious thought-processes serves as a kind of post hoc justification of our decisions—that is, after the moral decision has been made.

His main evidence comes from studies of "moral dumbfounding" where people have strong moral reactions but fail to establish any kind of rational principle to explain their reaction. Imagine that a brother and sister slept together once, no one else knew, no harm befell either one, and both felt it brought them closer as siblings. Many people still have a very strong negative reaction to this story, yet they can't explain why using Kohlberg's principled moral reasoning. Haidt suggests that we have unconscious, affective, moral heuristics that guide our reactions to morally charged situations and our moral behaviour, and that if we are asked to reason we do so only after we have made the decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_intuitionism

Although, it was a general taboo throughout known human history, so was gay marriages, but it doesn't prove the alleged argument against it and the communities that practiced it normally like the Zoroastrian, they do show argument against the conventional reasoning. There might be other's but Zoroastrian is the closet to our time and relatively easier to study with widespread practice in common people.

But it is missing the main point, if hypothetically, lets say there is a Zoroastrian country and it stages an event in support of incest in US or UK within their embassies in these respective countries, how would the people in US or UK feel? Acceptable or disrespectful?

Good discussion on another forum on the same topic: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=115022 (covers genetic defects and covers sociological arguments made against it)

 

[truthseeker63]

Homosexuality is wrong.

 

[Karl]

As a person you can be a prude or a libertine. In the West you have to be a prude until the age of consent. As soon as you reach the age of consent the culture is to become a libertine, anything goes between consenting age people "adults" (whatever the jurisdition is).
Abstractly if you chose to be a prude for life you would probably die from sexual frustration. If you chose to be a libertine for life you would probably die from a sexually transmitted disease.
In Islam you get married to the opposite sex (no "age of consent") and anything goes except anal sex (unclean and too perverted, also damaging). Allah knows best.
So why does the West want to push it's sick homosexuality, anti polygamy and "age of consent" perversions on Islam? Those mind numbing hypocrites make me sick.

 

[Karl]

With the exception of zionists, who are the most rabidly anti-muslim people I've met, I've actually met a lot more Christians who hated muslims and called them all terrorists etc than any other group. This has suprised me given how much Islam and Christianity have in common. It would make sense for atheists, hindus, etc (who truly are different) to have more distaste of Islam but this just hasn't been w hat I've found. Maybe it is because of the internet forums I've visited though. Stop by "Paltalk" sometime and you'll see hundreds of rabid anti-muslim christians. And by rabid I mean mouth foaming screaming at the top of their lungs types.

Maybe so, but these are not real Christians. If you hate and slander people that submit to God (the Muslims). Then your master is Iblis, Asmodeus, Satan whatever name you like the Disobedient One. Most so called Christians that attack Islam today are crpto Zionists and crypto Marxists. I have no beef with true Christians.

 

[Ramadhan]

I don't know abot socially, but genetically incest is damaging. Health improves as inbreeding decreases. We can see this in purebred dogs for example. Incestual parents should know about this before breeding.

As I previously said, this problem is solved easily when the participating incestuous couples agree not to have children.
So what is the excuse for denying them their rights?

Ironically, most excuses offered for denying incestuous couples their rights are the same ones the proponents of homosexuals rights accuse the opponents of homosexuals as having.

 

[Pygoscelis]

As I previously said, this problem is solved easily when the participating incestuous couples agree not to have children.

Sure. Or let them have children, provided they fully understand the risks involved. Just because they agree not to have children, doesn't mean they won't have children, unless they are also agree ing to have no sex or have abortions. Contraceptives can fail. So long as they know this, if they want to go ahead, who am I to tell them they can't?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Homosexuality is wrong.

Religion is wrong. See how easy it is to declare things wrong?

And if you think about it, religion is more of a choice than homosexuality is. People choose to join a religion. People don't choose to be attracted to their own gender (that just is).