Revision - Al-Mandhoomatul Bayqooniyyah

[Mawaddah]

Bismillah.

Insha'allah in this thread we will be revising the book :
Al-Mandhoomatul Bayqooniyyah along with the explanation of it which is At-Ta'leeqaat al-Athariyyah Ala Al-Mandhoomatul Bayqooniyyah.

You can listen to it's explanation by Ibn Uthaimeen rahimahullah here

http://www.sahab.fm/voice/voice.php?id=198&query=


So Lets get started!

The first question insha'allah :

What is the definition of "Isnaad" And what are the quotes of some of the Scholars concerning the importance of Isnaad?

 

[amirah_87]

And can you bare with me a Mo', Aslan Kitaabiy shak'luh Bazzahul Ginn! :mmokay:

 

[Nawal89]

And can you bare with me a Mo', Aslan Kitaabiy shak'luh Bazzahul Ginn! :mmokay:

Keif bazzuh minnich wa ma dawwakhu awwal minal faja3?

j/k

Lol
I answered to the question this mornign you know and then my whole post got deleted because my computer was acting crappy. I was so angry. imsad

Anyways. Isnad is the connection chain of the narrators to the hadeeth text.

I'm doing this from memory does that make any sense?:embarrass

Right now i only remember three sayings of the salaf about the isnad :embarrass :embarrass

Sufiyan athawree rahimahullah said that " Isnad is the weapon of the beleiver, if he does not have any weapons than with what shall he fight with? "

Ibnul Mubarak rahimahullah said: "The isnad is from the religion, if it wasnt for the isnad, anybody would say what ever they liked"

Muhammad ibn seereen rahimahullah said" in the early days people didnt ask about the isnad, but when the fitnah happened, people started to ask about it to differenciate between the hadeeths of the people fo the sunnah and the people of bidáh"
Please correct me if i made any mistakes.:embarrass

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatulaah

Here we go again the triplets start their own thread without informing me Amira I hold you accountabl! I guess I got to say Alhamdulilaah I caught just the beginning. I wil contact you personally Amira tomorrow regarding the book Insha Allah :shade:

 

[Silver Pearl]

Muhammad ibn seereen rahimahullah said" in the early days people didnt ask about the isnad, but when the fitnah happened, people started to ask about it to differenciate between the hadeeths of the people fo the sunnah and the people of bidáh"

:wasalamex

Mashallaah! Isn't the last hadeeth go along the lines of 'In the early days they didn't ask about Isnaad but when fitnah came they would say, 'Name for us your men'. so look at the ahlul sunnah and accept their hadeeth and look at the ahlul bid'ah and do not except their hadeeth'

Maybe I'm thinking of a different narration, that is what I remember. Allaahu'3llim

Mashallaah this is an excellent thread! May Allaah reward you sisters greatly!


I don't know if this a defintiion but Isnaad is chain of narration.

 

[zaki.aumeerudy]

Bismillah.

Insha'allah in this thread we will be revising the book :
Al-Mandhoomatul Bayqooniyyah along with the explanation of it which is At-Ta'leeqaat al-Athariyyah Ala Al-Mandhoomatul Bayqooniyyah.

You can listen to it's explanation by Ibn Uthaimeen rahimahullah here

http://www.sahab.fm/voice/voice.php?id=198&query=


So Lets get started!

The first question insha'allah :

What is the definition of "Isnaad" And what are the quotes of some of the Scholars concerning the importance of Isnaad?

as salaamu alaikum
isnaad is the chain of narrations of the hadith if i am not wrong

 

[Nawal89]

:wasalamex

Mashallaah! Isn't the last hadeeth go along the lines of 'In the early days they didn't ask about Isnaad but when fitnah came they would say, 'Name for us your men'. so look at the ahlul sunnah and accept their hadeeth and look at the ahlul bid'ah and do not except their hadeeth'

Maybe I'm thinking of a different narration, that is what I remember. Allaahu'3llim

Mashallaah this is an excellent thread! May Allaah reward you sisters greatly!


I don't know if this a defintiion but Isnaad is chain of narration.

Thats it sis, but since it isnt a saying of the prophet peace be upon him, its called an athar not hadeeth. :smile:

Why hasnt anyone else posted? Amy where are you gone?:muddlehea

I'll post the next question then.

What is the definition of the word hadeeth
Also what is the definition of a Saheeh hadeeth?

Amirah and maw if you want to add the first few bayts of the shi3r where these questions come from than please do. Arabic fonts dont turn up on my computer for some reason. It just looks like some gibberish.:'(

 

[amirah_87]

Why hasnt anyone else posted? Amy where are you gone?

Oh man, please excuse me, I cannot find my Bayquuinyyah .. and it's drivin me proper barmy!

Can you guys scan like the first couples of chapters over to me for now till i find it! Pleasee.. Jazaakillah khayr!

And I promise to make it up to you guys InshaAllah!

I'll post up the arabic bit for you Nawal ba'da shuwayy!

 

[amirah_87]

Here's the Abyaat, I'll put them in as we go along! so here's the first page for now:

:arabic6:

AlBayquneeyah - by Mahmoud Ahmad Umar

Posted by a Sister over at Islamic Network forums.
http://talk.islamicnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=8185
​

 

[Mawaddah]

GASP GASP GASP GASP AND DIES

BAYQOONIYYAH HAS A TRANSLATION?

MASHA'ALLAH!!!!!!!!!

:lol: coz I was dreading the translating part you know

Princess I'll see if I can scan it to you Insha'allah Can count on me :shade:

P.S. since when were you Amy? ;D Kay sounds much more cooler

 

[Silver Pearl]

Thats it sis, but since it isnt a saying of the prophet peace be upon him, its called an athar not hadeeth. :smile:

Oooh Mashallaah! Barakallaahu feek! I didn't know, athar, i'll remember that Inshallaah .

What is the definition of the word hadeeth

Hadeeth are traditions relating to the deeds and words of the prophet (peace be upon him).

Also what is the definition of a Saheeh hadeeth?

Saheeh is a hadeeth which has a continuous Isnaad. A saheeh hadeeth is free from irregularities in the text or a defect in its Isnaad.


I don't know how right this is, correct me where I've gone wrong please.

 

[Pk_#2]

:wasalamex

Mashallaah! Isn't the last hadeeth go along the lines of 'In the early days they didn't ask about Isnaad but when fitnah came they would say, 'Name for us your men'. so look at the ahlul sunnah and accept their hadeeth and look at the ahlul bid'ah and do not except their hadeeth'

Maybe I'm thinking of a different narration, that is what I remember. Allaahu'3llim

Mashallaah this is an excellent thread! May Allaah reward you sisters greatly!

I don't know if this a defintiion but Isnaad is chain of narration.

Yeah...

 

[Mawaddah]

Hadeeth are traditions relating to the deeds and words of the prophet (peace be upon him).





Saheeh is a hadeeth which has a continuous Isnaad. A saheeh hadeeth is free from irregularities in the text or a defect in its Isnaad.


I don't know how right this is, correct me where I've gone wrong please.

Masha'allah Masha'allah that's correct!!

Okay for the next Question :

Give an example of a Saheeh Hadeeth please (along with the Isnaad) And give the reason why that particular Hadeeth is Saheeh.

 

[zaki.aumeerudy]

Thats it sis, but since it isnt a saying of the prophet peace be upon him, its called an athar not hadeeth. :smile:

Why hasnt anyone else posted? Amy where are you gone?:muddlehea

I'll post the next question then.

What is the definition of the word hadeeth
Also what is the definition of a Saheeh hadeeth?

Amirah and maw if you want to add the first few bayts of the shi3r where these questions come from than please do. Arabic fonts dont turn up on my computer for some reason. It just looks like some gibberish.:'(

in islamic tradition
hadith is the saying,acting and anything the prophet did during his life time
sahih hadith ,in other words are called authentic hadith
the hadith has two parts
1: the chain of narration ,isnaad
2: the content

the isnaad may be good but the content may be good also and sometimes a bit weak

 

[Silver Pearl]

:wasalamex

“None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.”(Bukhari)

The Isnaad is as follows: Bukhari ---> Musadad ---> Yahya ---> Shu'bah ---> Qataadah---> Anas ---> prophet himself (Peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him).

There is 2 sectors to the structure of a hadeeth, sanad (I think this is also referred to as Isnaad, I'm not sure, May Allaah forgive me for my errors :embarrass ) wa matn (the text). This hadeeth is considered saheeh because it narrates back to the prophet (peace be upon him) and the narrators are trustworthy.

Allaahu'3llim

This is the best thread on this board subhanallaah, May Allaah grant you sisters jannat-ul-firdaus!

 

[Nawal89]

ok! next question!

As we know the Saheeh hadeeth is a the hadeeth that its chain of narration is connected by the transmittance of a narrator whom is Adl , Dhaabit onto one like them till the end of the isnad without any shududh or 3Illah.

So the question here is:
Can anyone give an explataion for the words in bold above?

Who is one who is 3adl?
Who is the Dhaabit?
What is a Definition of a Shaadh hadeeth?
What is an 3illah?

baarakallah feekum

 

[Silver Pearl]

:wasalamex

Who is one who is 3adl?

One is trustworthy with a good character

Who is the Dhaabit?

One with an excellent memory who recalls things with great accuracy.

What is a Definition of a Shaadh hadeeth?

Isn't that a rare hadeeth, it contradicts with those that are more reliable and vast in their narration.

What is an 3illah?

Hidden flaw, so it can affect the aunthenticity of a given hadeeth although it may seem to be removed from having any defects. If that makes sense, lol.

Don't know if the last 3 are right.

Wa eyakee

 

[Dhulqarnaeen]

Im still trying to find out wether the kitab has been translated or not imsad and my ustadh said hasnt been translated . But I will try to ask my friend who have salafy bookstore insha Allah.
But seeing your answers guys, is it mustalahul hadith's book? Lets say if this book not translated yet, can I answer your questions using the other book? Such as "mustalahul hadith" by Mahmud Thahan, or my ustadhs mustalahul hadith's book, can I?

 

[Mawaddah]

But seeing your answers guys, is it mustalahul hadith's book? Lets say if this book not translated yet, can I answer your questions using the other book? Such as "mustalahul hadith" by Mahmud Thahan, or my ustadhs mustalahul hadith's book, can I?

Yes it's a book on Mustalah al-hadeeth Brother. I guess that you can answer the general questions using any Mustalah book. Insha'allah.

Princess I scanned you a few pages already right? Masha'allah Silver Pearl has already answered so perfectly, so give us the next question from the book okay?

Oh and Btw, We are doing it Bayt by Bayt right? :?

 

[Umar001]

I didnt know if this is just quotes from the 'book' so I didnt respond but it seems to be a free for all.

Isnad or Sanad is linguistically something that props something up, within our discussion it is the chain of narration part of the hadith which informs those who took part in it's narration.

A comment on the Isnad, Ibn Sireen who died in 110 tells us that people did not used to ask who narrated such and such until the fitnah, the fitnah being reffered to is disputed but of course it would have to be a fitnah before his death. So we know that after that fitnah then people demanded to know, but this does not tell us that before the fitnah people didnt ask or people didnt name the narrators, but rather, that before the fitnah it was not as necccesary but after the people really started the early task of testing the chain of narration.

Hadith, linguisiticall is news or something new information, it is meanly used to refer to the Prophet's speech or actions or tacid approvals.

I do not know the isnads mainly cos the english writers do not write them!! Argh!!