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Young generation more demanding

How Saudi youths feel about their country’s culture?


Some Saudi youths say their social needs clash with conservative culture, others feel proud of embracing it.


By Ali Khalil - RIYADH
Copy and pasted by: Ameeratul Layl :coolsis:

A "dialogue" on youth issues held in Saudi Arabia last week recommended boosting the participation of young Saudis in public life, but some doubt the kingdom's ultra-conservative culture can accommodate their needs.

"Everything we want clashes with Saudi culture... Why do you think we enjoy travelling abroad?" said 21-year-old Nora, who spoke to AFP with a group of "liberal" friends about their "ignored needs" in a country where women still have to cover up from head to toe.

"I tear off my abaya (loose black cloak) as I board the plane and I never feel any regret," echoed 16-year-old Samira, wearing make-up and dressed in jeans and a short-sleeved shirt, protected by the high wall of a private garden.

Bilal, a 17-year-old male friend in Western attire, said he supported the right of women not to wear the abaya because "it is a matter of personal freedom."

The failure to mention women's dress code during either the debate, which ended on Thursday, or its concluding recommendations confirmed Nora's belief that the issue is not up for public discussion in the ultra-conservative Muslim kingdom.

Women also want access to theatres and concerts that "are open only to men," she said.

Actresses are not allowed to take part in plays in Saudi Arabia, which makes theatre an exclusively male art. Cinemas are totally banned.

"What do movies have to do with religion?" Samira asked.

Constraints on women's movement are not confined to a ban on driving, but extend to their walking alone.

"I want to walk along Tahliah Road," said 17-year-old Manal, referring to an avenue dubbed the "Champs Elysees of Riyadh" for its numerous cafes.

"I cannot walk there. I either get hassled by men or reprimanded by the Commission (for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, known as the religious police) for walking alone," she added.

Girls are also barred from sports in schools, except at the primary level, Manal complained.

Young men too suffer from stifling social restraints, said 16-year-old Aziz who was once scolded by a religious policeman because he had a fashionable haircut.

He complained about a ban on men entering shopping centers alone, and quoted a police officer telling him once that he can enter on his own only in the mornings.

"How am I supposed to go shopping in the morning when I am expected to be at school?," he wondered.

Walid, 17, protested at aspects of the educational system, which he and other members of the group described as an insult to their intelligence.

"The teacher of religion at school insists that the sun rotates around the earth," he said.

Aziz said that when he was seven, his teacher of religion showed him a video on jihad, or holy war, in Chechnya.

The recommendations adopted by the debate's participants addressed the issue of education, calling for the "updating of curricula... and the continuous training of teachers."

But some young participants in the discussions fiercely defended the present system, the London-based Saudi newspaper Asharq al-Awsat reported.

"When I travel abroad, I feel proud to be aware of the right Islamic manners to do my ablution and shorten my prayer (for travel purposes)," it quoted participant Ali al-Qarni as saying.

The debate on youth problems was the fourth round of a "national dialogue" launched in Saudi Arabia 18 months ago as part of limited moves toward reform.
 
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if only they understood that saudi are following the shariah law, these people are ungrateful! muslims in christian countries would appreciate saudi practising the Shariah law in their country
may allah guide us all
wasalam
 
metsudaistwice said:
salam
if only they understood that saudi are following the shariah law, these people are ungrateful! muslims in christian countries would appreciate saudi practising the Shariah law in their country
may allah guide us all
wasalam


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Na3am...take us for example.
I wud change places with those ppl anyday.

Allha ma3akum
 
metsudaistwice said:
salam
if only they understood that saudi are following the shariah law, these people are ungrateful! muslims in christian countries would appreciate saudi practising the Shariah law in their country
may allah guide us all
wasalam

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They are, but not completely. The government is straight up corrupt. Not sure if this will stay on topic so i wont say anymore. But i would love to go and study there and live there-----even if the governments like that.
 
ahmed687 said:
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They are, but not completely. The government is straight up corrupt. Not sure if this will stay on topic so i wont say anymore. But i would love to go and study there and live there-----even if the governments like that.


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Snap brother.
 
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same here bro, i hope to study there, but the good thing is they practice the Shariah law
 
metsudaistwice said:
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same here bro, i hope to study there, but the good thing is they practice the Shariah law

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Again as i said, its only partial. The Imams themselves have given khutbahs against them and have gotten jailed. The King has to read the Khutbahs before the Imams can give them. is that justice? Why do you think they dont have 1422 taraweeh online anywhere? its becuase of the Dua Mohasany made against America and the Suadi regime. True they have done some good things, for example, they have taken steps to get rid of Bid'ah, like in Jannataul baqi graveyard in Madinah, they erased the names on the tombstones of the Sahabas who lay there so ppl will spend equalk time at each grave, and not just go to 1 or the other.

Now do you know what they are doing? They are destryoing all the ancient places around the Harams and building Malls. Malls where ppl mix and a place where fitnah can start. Is that a good thing?

Like i said they are good, to a certain point, but for the rest they are corrupted. I can go on about them but Ill stop here for now.

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ahmed687 said:
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Again as i said, its only partial. The Imams themselves have given khutbahs against them and have gotten jailed. The King has to read the Khutbahs before the Imams can give them. is that justice? Why do you think they dont have 1422 taraweeh online anywhere? its becuase of the Dua Mohasany made against America and the Suadi regime. True they have done some good things, for example, they have taken steps to get rid of Bid'ah, like in Jannataul baqi graveyard in Madinah, they erased the names on the tombstones of the Sahabas who lay there so ppl will spend equalk time at each grave, and not just go to 1 or the other.

Now do you know what they are doing? They are destryoing all the ancient places around the Harams and building Malls. Malls where ppl mix and a place where fitnah can start. Is that a good thing?

Like i said they are good, to a certain point, but for the rest they are corrupted. I can go on about them but Ill stop here for now.

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My mom was told me a few of the things that u mentioned (cuz she does law)......but, I felt uneasy....at that point, I was really obssesed with saudi. So, I thought maybe its mommy's way to get me to shut up.
 
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i thought they are knocking down the palace near the haram and the hilton hotel to expand the haram
wasalam
 
metsudaistwice said:
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i thought they are knocking down the palace near the haram and the hilton hotel to expand the haram
wasalam

not really, they are destroying places around to build malls and shopping centers.
 
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what buildings are they knocking down?
i heard that they want to expand the haram so 3 million people at once can pray behind the imam inside the haram, currently i think about 3.5 million poelpe pray inside and outside the haram at once
wasalam
 
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Heres a good story for you, a miracle of Allah id say:

The king has a palace at Mina. So they tried to get a pipe from zam zam to go directly to the palace so they can use it everyday. The pipe broke multiple time and they ahd to give it up.

And guess what?? The Pipes run from makkah to MADINAH more then like 10 times the distance from the palace to mina. Isnt that a miracle? Allah lets the water run from Makkah to Madinah, but prevents the king and his family using it at thier own home.
 
ahmed687 said:
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Heres a good story for you, a miracle of Allah id say:

The king has a palace at Mina. So they tried to get a pipe from zam zam to go directly to the palace so they can use it everyday. The pipe broke multiple time and they ahd to give it up.

And guess what?? The Pipes run from makkah to MADINAH more then like 10 times the distance from the palace to mina. Isnt that a miracle? Allah lets the water run from Makkah to Madinah, but prevents the king and his family using it at thier own home.


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How do u know all of this? Wats ur source?
 
metsudaistwice said:
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what buildings are they knocking down?
i heard that they want to expand the haram so 3 million people at once can pray behind the imam inside the haram, currently i think about 3.5 million poelpe pray inside and outside the haram at once
wasalam

For example, the place where Prophet Muhammed was born. It is currently a library, they are trying to knowck it down so they can build a mall there. also there was a certain link with all their plans. I have to find it, i forgot whre it was.
 
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also i heard the king wanted a pipe connected to the palace next door to the haram but it never worked and when the saudi people found out they were so angry as to why the king should get special treatment
wasalam
 
Ameeratul Layl said:
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How do u know all of this? Wats ur source?

When i went there, we went on Ziyarah of the holy places, looking everywhere, the guide was a very learned man and he told us that this had happened. It isnt recent though, it was quite a while back.
 
metsudaistwice said:
salam
also i heard the king wanted a pipe connected to the palace next door to the haram but it never worked and when the saudi people found out they were so angry as to why the king should get special treatment
wasalam


where is your source? How do u know all of this?
 
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what about that place near the haram where a rock bowed down to our prophet saw, and that rock is still there the prophet said, but no one knows where it is
wasalam
 
ahmed687 said:
When i went there, we went on Ziyarah of the holy places, looking everywhere, the guide was a very learned man and he told us that this had happened. It isnt recent though, it was quite a while back.


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Oh right.....I heard about other things as well, but not gud to discuss.

I think we ought to stop this chatting about the kings and their palaces....sum ppl do feel a bit.....jealous