Saudi woman executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

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ßlµêßêll said:

This is a judicial matter.. what proof have we that someone committed theft or murder etc etc.
we don't have all the fact so we can't judge one way or the other.. However, whether there's an outcome to their 'magic' or not I'd rather rid of such individuals especially in Egypt would really curb on the hatred, ignorance and people ripping others off with false promises.
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To rid of them, you'd have to identify them. How'd you identify? Just because they make lofty promises to public?

Yea but even in court, how would someone prove that magic was done on him/her? One can argue that everything bad happening in their life was done by sihr of fulan and fulan person.

Just curious, are there any islamic guidelines on proving the witchcraft crime?

Seems to be an arbitrary thing, anyone who hates me can go to court and say I did magic on him/her, hide some knots in my house and send the mutaween, lo and behold, I am punished as a magician.
 
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ßlµêßêll said:

Like I said before this is a judicial matter.. but believe me it isn't difficult to find such people and have them do stuff.
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I'll take your word. But you are aware of this in context of psychiatric diseases as well. Many times we come across a patient who is labeled as possessed, by family members. If you deny that there is no jinn but a psychiatric illness then you are called a heretic. On the other side, we can never know if a person's psychiatric illness was really due to jinns or not.
 
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CosmicPathos said:
I'll take your word. But you are aware of this in context of psychiatric diseases as well. Many times we come across a patient who is labeled as possessed, by family members. If you deny that there is no jinn but a psychiatric illness then you are called a heretic. On the other side, we can never know if a person's psychiatric illness was due to jinns or not.
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When you first enter medical school everything is a potential medical dx including self of course.. I promise this too will come to pass. Also it isn't a question of whether their 'magic' works or not just the fact that they do it. Someone wanted to break my aunt's marriage once and it happened, everything that happens only happens by the will of Allah swt but my aunt did find in her house while cleaning once a 'talisman' with her wedding picture torn along with some freaky things like blood, hair and other yucks, some people bury such things with the dead so they can't be 'undone' So people do such things of sound mind & body with one purpose & gain financially from it!

:w:
 
ßlµêßêll said:

When you first enter medical school everything is a potential medical dx including self of course.. I promise this too will come to pass. Also it isn't a question of whether their 'magic' works or not just the fact that they do it. Someone wanted to break my aunt's marriage once and it happened, everything that happens only happens by the will of Allah swt but my aunt did find in her house while cleaning once a 'talisman' with her wedding picture torn along with some freaky things like blood, hair and other yucks, some people bury such things with the dead so they can't be 'undone' So people do such things of sound mind & body with one purpose & gain financially from it!

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You are right about the financial gains.

Is your signature any authentic saying of Ali (ra)? I like it.
 
Was just about to say that,
These people advertise themselves and word spreads,
it's not too difficult to send a cop with a microphone or spy cam,
Or to find a bunch of books etc,

The spirit community is probably just as vast as ours, but I tend to try and ignore it and never fear it,
The trust in Allah has to overcome all fear of evil or falling into it is easy,

I remember going to this goth guy's house once to pick up a computer and found his whole house filled with model coffins and skulls and death worship, his phone number had 666 in it and his car was a hearse,
So decided to go back another day with a Quran translation and some booklets, and he just grinned, so you want me to read it? Yep. Ok then.

My sister in law asked me if I wasn't afraid, I just said that we are on earth for a purpose and not to fear evil because Allah is with us,

A few days later I opened the bible and found the verses of what remains of the psalms of Dawud (pbuh):
As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil, for Thou art with me.

I thought WOW,

I had also read in sahih Muslim that the prophet pbuh said that the seventy thousand who would go to jannah without reckoning were those who didn't trust in evil omen, didn't charm themselves or others, and put their trust in Allah.

Allah yer7amo al'3wlaqi.. I miss him.. I have never cried over the death of any scholar as much as I did him...
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I've got tears welling up in my eyes again, wallahi I felt he same, I have never cried over the death of anyone as I did him (ra) hope Allah makes him among those who have the highest status in paradise and that I be joined with him there.

My phone has his complete works saved and I listen every day, when travelling or at work, I sometimes wake up to hear him as I fall asleep listening, ya shaheed, may Allah give your family consolation and make your remaining children to be of the virtuous leaders inshaAllah.
 
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Abz2000 said:
I remember going to this goth guy's house once to pick up a computer and found his whole house filled with model coffins and skulls and death worship, his phone number had 666 in it and his car was a hearse,
So decided to go back another day with a Quran translation and some booklets, and he just grinned, so you want me to read it? Yep. Ok then.
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I had a few friends in school and under-grad unfortunately who were pagans and some openly into 'witchcraft', tarots and talismans may Allah swt forgive me for those days.. I wasn't a practicing Muslim and I have such regret over that and for the company I kept as well. One of them was openly a devil worshiper astghfor Allah.. I never took it seriously, I generally just thought they were idiots and laughed it off.. Imagine entering into your 30's and not leaving behind the crap you did as a teenager.. I just kind of feel sorry for them now.. their lives have never improved in spite of their devil worship which leads me to believe that they're probably doing something wrong ;D shouldn't they gain something by doing this? why commit to this misery for so long to live in a state of privation amongst other things?

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How did they manage to prove it before a court? I mean it would be pretty difficult.
 
*dua said:
Yes we do. The Qu'ran (from the top of my head, Suratal Falaq) mentions witchcraft/black magic and other suras in the Quran mention it several times. Of course it's forbidden and is seen as a serious crime. Unfortunately, sihr (magic) is quite common in Muslim countries... For more detail I'd suggest looking here
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Thank you for the link!
 
Tragic Typos said:
How did they manage to prove it before a court? I mean it would be pretty difficult.
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I would think so.

For every serious crimes with serious punishments (eg. death penalty) in Islam, the requirement for proof is very difficult (such as in adultery).
My guess is that it involves self confession on top of others' witnesses.
Also remember that there should be da'wah and chance to repent first.
 
Ramadhan said:


I would think so.

For every serious crimes with serious punishments (eg. death penalty) in Islam, the requirement for proof is very difficult (such as in adultery).
My guess is that it involves self confession on top of others' witnesses.
Also remember that there should be da'wah and chance to repent first.
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Salaam,

Also, I would like to add, Saudi Monarchy keeps a very tight control over the media. We are not aware what really happened.
 
Witchcraft is very real and evil indeed. There must be something wrong with you if associate yourself with shaytaan.

 

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