Saudi women allowed to argue in courts

[CosmicPathos]

within the Islamic tenets women were allowed and are allowed to voice their needs and concerns this was the deal millenniums ago, did you not know of women yelling at Umab ibn ilkhtab (RA) question is why are things further back to pre-Islamic Arabia? to the days of jahilya now.. why are people so afraid to speak lest they be deemed less than ideal Muslims? Sob7an Allah..

I did not exclude women from the classical traditional system. I hope it was a misunderstanding. :hmm:
:wa:

regarding the Smakurd guy, you can read his views, as they are common among "slightly" educated people living there:

"Im sorry but i totally DISAGREE with this.

Whats this nonsense about only being able to take in a FRIEND who is muslim?

If i had a choice between being friends with a muslim girl or a 'kaffar' girl, who's to say the muslim girl is going to be a better, moral friend?

Who knows if this muslim girl steals from shops ?

At the end of the day, in my eyes, if theyre a good person, you can be their friend.

Why NOT be friends with someone because of what they may impose on you? No one can make you do anything but yourself.

THIS WHOLE DIVIDE OF MUSLIM / KAFFAR STUFF HAS TO STOP. WHY IS IT SO IMPOSSIBLE TO LIVE TOGETHER?"

 

[CosmicPathos]

Frustrated for voicing an opinion? Do not try and insult me because im giving the other end of the argument, learn how to be mature if you wish to participate in a discussion and handle both sides like an adult.

There are at least 6 billion opinions around the world. It does not matter to me if it goes against Quran and Sunnah.

 

[Samkurd]

I did not exclude women from the classical traditional system. I hope it was a misunderstanding. :hmm:
:wa:

regarding the Smakurd guy, you can read his views, as they are common among "slightly" educated people living there

"Slightly" educated? You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about muslims who live in the west... were not aliens, and we have just as much information and teaching on islam as you do, so please stop acting so hostile.

 

[جوري]

I did not exclude women from the classical traditional system. I hope it was a misunderstanding. :hmm:
:wa:

regarding the Smakurd guy, you can read his views, as they are common among "slightly" educated people living there:

"Im sorry but i totally DISAGREE with this.

Whats this nonsense about only being able to take in a FRIEND who is muslim?

If i had a choice between being friends with a muslim girl or a 'kaffar' girl, who's to say the muslim girl is going to be a better, moral friend?

Who knows if this muslim girl steals from shops ?

At the end of the day, in my eyes, if theyre a good person, you can be their friend.

Why NOT be friends with someone because of what they may impose on you? No one can make you do anything but yourself.

THIS WHOLE DIVIDE OF MUSLIM / KAFFAR STUFF HAS TO STOP. WHY IS IT SO IMPOSSIBLE TO LIVE TOGETHER?"

The thing is there are two extremes, folks who make it so difficult and unbearable with very unusual fatwas that weren't fit during the time of the prophet let alone our world, and those who take the polar opposite view and really who wouldn't with views such as these?

The Prophet said: 'The religion (of Islam) is easy. No one ever made it difficult without it becoming too much for him. So avoid extremes and strike a balance, do the best you can and be cheerful, and seek Allah's help (through prayer) in the morning, and evening, and part of the night.' (Sahîh Bukhârî)

Islam is a religion about balance and modesty not misogyny and unrealistic roles and expectations.

I am not following threads about teenagers and boyfriends etc. I am strictly speaking of these fatwas which I don't believe cater to anyone during any period of time.. and are down right unrealistic. Let me tell you what happens when a woman can't drive or ride a horse or whatever means are left to her to get places.. when her husband is sick and her son is at work, all she can do is sit there and watch her husband die while helps arrives.. and that is exactly what happened to my aunt during Ramadan..

 

[Muezzin]

Please discuss this subject in a civilised manner without insulting other members. Since this also seems quite a volatile topic, please take care that criticisms are not inflammatory, so as to avoid any ensuing flame wars.

Put another way:

If people are using this thread to pick fights, it will be closed.

 

[ardianto]

what do you mean?

I am sorry if I made you angry.

But, next time if you want to discuss about someone else article, at first you must post that article in original version, do not add something. Then you and other members can quote that article and write some comments.

 

[barney]

I wouldnt see women in court being a problem islamically as long as there was double the number of them for a matter that required a specific amount of men?

Sahih Muslim 1:142: "O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah’s Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: ‘You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.’ Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, ‘Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof."

 

[ardianto]

voting is haram.

As a supporter of an Islamic party, I disagree. I cannot let secularists rule parliament alone.

 

[Grofica]

So do you think women should or should not be allowed to drive?

Im a woman and i can think of literally 100's of women off the top of my head who really should not be allowed to drive... :exhausted

in the same token i can think of about 50-60 men that also shouldnt be allowed to...;D;D

 

[Abdul Qadir]

So do you think women should or should not be allowed to drive?

No, unless there is a guardian escorting her...

 

[Abdul Qadir]

Let me tell you what happens when a woman can't drive or ride a horse or whatever means are left to her to get places.. when her husband is sick and her son is at work, all she can do is sit there and watch her husband die while helps arrives.. and that is exactly what happened to my aunt during Ramadan..

there is no reason y women can't learn to drive. and in this particular case, obviously she has a legitimate excuse to drive. and please dun argue with the fatwas of scholars of ahlus sunnah like Sheik Uthaymeen Rahimullah. if u have an opinion, u voice it...but u dun have to drag the sheik's name into the mix...

 

[ardianto]

there is no reason y women can't learn to drive. and in this particular case, obviously she has a legitimate excuse to drive. and please dun argue with the fatwas of scholars of ahlus sunnah like Sheik Uthaymeen Rahimullah. if u have an opinion, u voice it...but u dun have to drag the sheik's name into the mix...

There is difference between disagree and disrespect.

Many Muslims in Indonesia are disagree with some fatawa (only few, not all) from Sheik Uthaymeen Rahimullah, but we always respect to him because he's a great scholar.

However, there is a problem. Some people force Muslim to accept fatawa from Sheik Uthaymeen Rahimullah, and those people say "Anyone who disagree with this fatwa is kafir !".

 

[Abdul Qadir]

There is difference between disagree and disrespect.

Many Muslims in Indonesia are disagree with some fatawa (only few, not all) from Sheik Uthaymeen Rahimullah, but we always respect to him because he's a great scholar.

However, there is a problem. Some people force Muslim to accept fatawa from Sheik Uthaymeen Rahimullah, and those people say "Anyone who disagree with this fatwa is kafir !".

no..no one make takfeer apart from the likes of the khariji or the ikhwani...i dun think anyone would say that unless he/she is a person desperatelt lacking knowledge...yes..there's nothing wrong if u disagree...if someone disagrees, then they should keep that opinion to themselves and dun call onto people to follow them and say thinks like use common sense..this is insulting the sheik....May Allah grant him Al-firdaus...may Allah protect the Ahlul Hadith...

 

[Grofica]

I wouldnt see women in court being a problem islamically as long as there was double the number of them for a matter that required a specific amount of men?

Sahih Muslim 1:142: "O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah’s Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: ‘You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.’ Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, ‘Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof."

why would it take twice as many women to equal a male attorney... this is about court cases and being able to appear in court. its not like she would be unescorted or in some comprimising condition. she would be in a public forum and honestly all the female attorneys i know are dang good. the female that my mother hired was such a good attorney that a lot of other attorneys male and female would not cross her. she knew her stuff and then some.

i say rock on! girl power!

 

[ardianto]

no..no one make takfeer apart from the likes of the khariji or the ikhwani...i dun think anyone would say that unless he/she is a person desperatelt lacking knowledge...yes..there's nothing wrong if u disagree...if someone disagrees, then they should keep that opinion to themselves and dun call onto people to follow them and say thinks like use common sense..this is insulting the sheik....May Allah grant him Al-firdaus...may Allah protect the Ahlul Hadith...

Sheik Uthaymeen Rahimullah himself was always respect to different opinion. If you read his fatawa completely, you can find if Sheik Uthaymeen Rahimullah allowed Muslims to argue his fatawa as long as that argument is based on Qur'an and hadith. He opened his door of ijtihad.

I believe, Sheik Uthaymeen Rahimullah never approve some people who drag his name in call kafir to other Muslims. But now he cannot warns those people because he has back to rahmatullah. May Allah grant him Al-firdaus. May Allah protects Ahlul-Hadith.

 

[جوري]

there is no reason y women can't learn to drive. and in this particular case, obviously she has a legitimate excuse to drive. and please dun argue with the fatwas of scholars of ahlus sunnah like Sheik Uthaymeen Rahimullah. if u have an opinion, u voice it...but u dun have to drag the sheik's name into the mix...

I don't need you to validate what I wrote argue for or against it. I said I disagreed with the sheikh for the second time.. women argued against Umar ibn Ilkhtab back in the day. Not agreeing with someone doesn't mean 'dragging their name' hating them or thinking they have absolutely nothing scholarly to contribute, it means just that I don't agree with this particular fatwa! -- I think you need to recognize that differences of opinions will exist and it need not have such a dire upheave!


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