Shaking hands

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Haha, very nicely said! I should use that next time. :O
 
Thinker said:
No there isn't, there's nothing in the Qu'ran or the hadith that prohibits hand shakes. Hand shakes as a form of greeting was not the custom in 6th century Arabia. The restriction on handshakes is something brought in my men long after Muhammad's death.
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I can safley say that shaking hands wasnt part of arab culture and neither was it part of Brtish culture and it still isnt - you can live in the UK without shaking anybodies hand. Do you realy think that handshakes were an old British custom?
 
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The hand shake is not something I invented it is an integral part of Britsih culture, that's not a matter opinion it's matter of fact. The refusal to shake hands is a cultural value from an alien culture. If you want to pursue alien cultural values refusing to integrate with the other 98% of the population you will find that their patience and tolerance will eventually turn. If a Muslim moves in the house next door to me I will knock on their door and hold out my hand to greet them; if any of them refuse to shake my hand it I will take that as an insult and our relationship will progress on that basis.
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Its not a fact that shaking hands is part of uk culture - I've met many people and we've never had to shake hands. I've lived my entire life in the UK.

Furthermore a person like you who knows that some muslims would find it offensive to shake your hand would you still do it?

Nobody should integrate - Just like Jews in Iran should not follow all the rules of Iran there culture and religion should be respected - so should the copts in Egypt - the same goes for other religious and cultural minorities in the UK.
 
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Thinker said:
The hand shake is not something I invented it is an integral part of Britsih culture, that's not a matter opinion it's matter of fact. The refusal to shake hands is a cultural value from an alien culture. If you want to pursue alien cultural values refusing to integrate with the other 98% of the population you will find that their patience and tolerance will eventually turn. If a Muslim moves in the house next door to me I will knock on their door and hold out my hand to greet them; if any of them refuse to shake my hand it I will take that as an insult and our relationship will progress on that basis.
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You also need to keep in mind that, if you were to shake hands with the muslims wife, when you fully know as muslim women we do not shake hand with the opposite gender who is nor our mahram, it would be also be classed as 'disrespectful'.

But if you didnt know, then there is no problem, either the muslim explains to you the reason. You need to know it isnt all about culture of Uk, its also about knowing the culture of each human living in the Uk (or other countries for that matter), the religion etc the way of life of the person you are communicating with. Having rights given to one. For example this is a big world, humans are from all parts of the world, there may be some thing one culture follows whereas the other does not, but they all live in one country as long as they abide by the laws of that country and live in peace with one another. Like light of Heaven mentioned its not a big matter.

So if a muslim women moves next door to you, your going to go shake hands with her, even though your fully aware its not part of her faith/way of life, and if she refuses, your going to call her a disrespectful women? You do realise you are allowed to shake hands with the man? If thats the case, you will never be at peace with anyone, you need to also respect the views, values, beliefs of the person, or you can continue calling people disrespectful even when your aware its not something they take part in.
 
Thinker said:
The hand shake is not something I invented it is an integral part of Britsih culture, that's not a matter opinion it's matter of fact. The refusal to shake hands is a cultural value from an alien culture. If you want to pursue alien cultural values refusing to integrate with the other 98% of the population you will find that their patience and tolerance will eventually turn. If a Muslim moves in the house next door to me I will knock on their door and hold out my hand to greet them; if any of them refuse to shake my hand it I will take that as an insult and our relationship will progress on that basis.
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Do you know how to read? Where did i say you invented it? It's not about you sunshine! It had nothing to do with just British culture, everyone does it but you cant force me to shake your hand. You find it insulting because youre used to this idea. I find it just as insulting that non Muslims roam around half naked in our countries.

No one said they will refuse your handshake. We are talking about the WOMEN. A lot of us will not touch your filthy man hands, I sure as heck wont. When you knock on my door and I happen to open it, I'll more than likely not reach out to your hand. I know thats a problem for you but that is your problem. There are alternatives to that even!

Dont hype up the concept of a handshake more than necessary, it's cheesy and rather tiring. You took a perfectly innocent thread and turned into another one of your charades. Spare a thread please!
 
Thinker said:
The hand shake is not something I invented it is an integral part of Britsih culture, that's not a matter opinion it's matter of fact. The refusal to shake hands is a cultural value from an alien culture. If you want to pursue alien cultural values refusing to integrate with the other 98% of the population you will find that their patience and tolerance will eventually turn. If a Muslim moves in the house next door to me I will knock on their door and hold out my hand to greet them; if any of them refuse to shake my hand it I will take that as an insult and our relationship will progress on that basis.
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Thinker, you said that you were here to understand Islam . . . I wouldn't say that you have to embrace it, that's your choice, but what you state above sounds an awful lot like whether you understand it or not, if you do not agree with it, you will not RESPECT the beliefs of others. You know very well that the handshake would not be turned down by a Muslim woman out of insult, yet you say you will take it that way and make the conscious decision, even when informed, to start off your knowledge of each other with an offense on the table. How would that demonstrate understanding of another person's practices if you would deliberately disrespect it?
 
I dont want a dude to touch my hand. It's my hand, none of your business! Deal with it! Got a problem, then take it up with someone but bare in mind u will lose cause you'lll look nutty for making an issue over it
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i think shaking someone's hand who doesn't want to shake your hand, is rude simply because if someone doesn't want to touch you hand, who are you to tell them otherwise :hmm: if someone doesnt want you to go near them, then you should respect that. otherwise, it is an invasion of personal space and privacy. talk about being a leech.
 
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i think shaking someone's hand who doesn't want to shake your hand, is rude simply because if someone doesn't want to touch you hand, who are you to tell them otherwise :hmm: if someone doesnt want you to go near them, then you should respect that. otherwise, it is an invasion of personal space and privacy. talking about being a leech.
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Exactly. It is rude and an invasion of space.

In some places, to them, respect involves more physical contact. For example hugging. What if they find that rude?? This is why I said this is something humans have come up with. Different ways to denote respect.

Seriously, get over yourself dude.
 
u no,in india, v do this 'namaste' thing..i.e. folding both hands together..when i asked my history ma'am about it (shes solid high caste, hindu,realy old)..she tld its coz 'v dont have to touch another person,esp ladies..thts better than shaking hands anyway,just slightly bow ur head to show respect..' i thnk she misd namasteing. :D
I thnk its a culture thing..and there are people who dosnt lke touching and being touchd. Hmm..dont they bow in japan?
 
Haha wow I never knew sharing this beautiful analogy would cause such a stiff arguement. Brother Thinker, please hype it down.
 

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