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[TD="width: 90%"] رحيل البابا شنودة الثالث
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[TD="align: center"] أقباط مصريون يبكون البابا في إحدى كنائس القاهرة (الفرنسية) [/TD]

توفي البابا شنودة الثالث رأس الكنيسة القبطية الأرثوذكسية عن عمر يناهز التاسعة والثمانين مساء السبت في القاهرة، ويجري حاليا الترتيب لمراسم كنسية للدفن في موعد لم يعلن بعد.

وعانى البابا شنودة من المرض لسنوات طويلة، وقام في السنوات الماضية برحلات عديدة إلى الولايات المتحدة للعلاج، وقد أٌجبر على إلغاء عظته الأسبوع الماضي بسبب مشاكل صحية.

وانتخب بابا للأقباط عام 1971 ليكون البابا الـ117 للكنيسة القبطية. وكانت كلمته مسموعة جدا لدى أبناء هذه الطائفة، وخلال أربعة عقود اختلف وتصالح مرارا مع السلطات.

واختلف البابا الراحل مع الرئيس الراحل أنور السادات الذي قرر تحديد إقامته في نطاق إجراءات ضد معارضيه في سبتمبر/أيلول 1981، وكانت العلاقة بينه وبين السادات توترت لرفضه معاهدة السلام مع إسرائيل بسبب إجراءات اسرائيل في مدينة القدس وعلى خلفية حوادث طائفية في أواخر السبعينيات من القرن الماضي.
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في العام 1985 أعاد الرئيس السابق حسني مبارك البابا إلى منصبه وبنيت علاقة جيدة بين الاثنين. ورفض البابا مشاركة الأقباط في الثورة التي أسقطت مبارك لكنه باركها وقد شارك فيها مسيحيون بالمخالفة لموقفه
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الموقف من الثورة
وفي العام 1985 أعاده الرئيس السابق حسني مبارك إلى منصبه وبنيت علاقة جيدة بين الاثنين. ورفض البابا مشاركة الأقباط في احتجاجات الثورة التي أسقطت مبارك، لكنه بارك نجاح الثورة التي شارك فيها مسيحيون.

ولد البابا شنودة في قرية سلام بمحافظة أسيوط في جنوب مصر، وتوفيت والدته بعد ولادته بسبب حمى النفاس، وقال البابا كثيرا في حياته إن جارات مسلمات لأسرته أرضعنه بعد وفاة والدته.

وخدم البابا شنودة الذي حمل في الأصل اسم نظير جيد روفائيل في القوات المسلحة المصرية برتبة ضابط احتياط، وعمل البابا شنودة صحفيا وكان يقرض الشعر.

درس البابا شنودة في كلية الآداب بجامعة فؤاد الأول (القاهرة حاليا) وحصل على درجة في التاريخ عام 1947 وفي السنة النهائية بكلية الآداب التحق بالكلية الأكليركية وتخرج فيها وعمل مدرسا للتاريخ.

وحضر فصولا مسائية في كلية اللاهوت القبطي وعمل مدرسا بها أيضا، وعمل خادما بجمعية النهضة الروحية التابعة لكنيسة العذراء مريم بمنطقة مسرة في القاهرة وطالبا بمدارس الأحد ثم خادما بكنيسة الأنبا أنطونيوس بحي شبرا في القاهرة في منتصف الأربعينيات.

ورسم راهبا باسم أنطونيوس السرياني عام 1954 ومن العام 1956 إلى العام 1962 عاش حياة الوحدة في مغارة، وبعد سنة من رهبنته رسّم قسا وأمضى 10 سنوات في الدير دون أن يغادره وعمل سكرتيرا خاصا للبابا كيرلس السادس في العام 1959.

ورسّم أسقفا للمعاهد الدينية والتربية الكنسية، وكان أول أسقف للتعليم المسيحي وعميد الكلية الإكليريكية في 30 سبتمبر/أيلول 1962، وعندما توفي البابا كيرلس في 1971 اختير شنودة للجلوس على كرسي البابوية في الكاتدرائية المرقسية الكبرى بالقاهرة ليصبح البابا رقم 117 في تاريخ البطاركة.

ترتيبات
وكشف القس إكرام لمعي المستشار الإعلامي للكنيسة الإنجيلية أن المجلس الملي للأقباط الأرثوذكس سيرشح ثلاثة أساقفة بالانتخاب المباشر لخلافة قداسة البابا شنودة ستكون لها دور في تحديد البابا الجديد.

وقال لمعي إنه "في حال وفاة البابا يجتمع المجلس الملي الأرثوذكسي الذي يتكون من جميع الأساقفة، ويقوم المجلس بترشيح ثلاثة أساقفة بالانتخاب المباشر لخلافة قداسة البابا شنودة".

وأضاف أن "المرشحين ستكتب أسماؤهم في ثلاث ورقات توضع على المذبح، وبعد الصلاة في المذبح يقوم أحد الأطفال باختيار ورقة لتحديد اسم البابا الجديد، وتعتمد هذه الطريقة حتى يكون هناك تدخل إلهي في اختيار قداسة البابا الجديد".

والمعروف أن الكنيسة القبطية كنيسة مستقلة ومن أقدم الكنائس المسيحية. وشاركت في السنوات الأخيرة في أعمال مجلس الكنائس العالمي ومجلس كنائس الشرق الأوسط.

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Egypt's Coptic Pope Shenouda III, spiritual leader of the Middle East's largest Christian minority, has died at the age of 88, state television and cathedral sources said on March 17, 2012.
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CAIRO—Pope Shenouda III, the patriarch of the Coptic Orthodox Church who led Egypt’s Christian minority for 40 years during a time of increasing tensions with Muslims, died Saturday. He was 88.
The state news agency MENA said Shenouda died Saturday after battling liver and lung problems for several years, and a doctor who treated him several years ago said he suffered from prostate cancer that had spread to his lungs. He died at his residence in the main Coptic Cathedral in Cairo, several figures close to the pope said.
Tens of thousands of Christians packed into cathedral to mourn Saturday evening. Women in black wept and screamed. Some, unable to get into the overcrowded building, massed outside, raising their hands in prayer. “The Coptic Church prays to God that he rest in peace between the arms of saints,” a scroll read on a Coptic TV station, CTV, under a picture of the patriarch.
“Baba Shenouda,” as he was known to his followers, headed one of the most ancient churches in the world, tracing its founding to St. Mark, who is said to have brought Christianity to Egypt in the 1st Century.
For Egypt’s estimated 10 million Coptic Christians, he was a charismatic leader, known for his sense of humour — his smiling portrait was hung in many Coptic homes and shops — and a deeply conservative religious thinker who resisted calls by liberals for reform.
Above all, many Copts saw him as the guardian of their community living amid a Muslim majority in this country of more than 80 million people.
Shenouda sought to do so by striking a conservative balance. During the rule of President Hosni Mubarak, he gave strong support to his government, while avoiding pressing Coptic demands too vocally in public to prevent a backlash from Muslim conservatives. In return, Mubarak’s regime allowed the Church wide powers among the Christian community.
A sector of Christians — particularly liberals and youth who supported the revolution against Mubarak — grew critical of Shenouda, saying his conservative approach had brought little success in stemming violence and discrimination. Moreover, they argued, the Church’s domination over Christians’ life further ghettoized them, making them a sect first, Egyptian citizens second.
Christians have long complained of being treated as second-class citizens, saying they face discrimination in employment and that police generally fail to prosecute those behind anti-Christian attacks.
After Mubarak’s fall a year ago, Christians grew increasingly worried over the rising power of Muslim conservatives. Several churches were attacked by mobs, fueled in part by increasingly bold hard-line Islamic clerics who accused Christians of seeking to convert Muslim women or even take over the country. Christian anger was further stoked when troops harshly put down a Christian protest in Cairo, killing 27 people.
In an unprecedented move aimed at showing unity, leaders from the Muslim Brotherhood along with top generals from the ruling military joined Shenouda for services for Orthodox Christmas in January at the Cairo cathedral.
“For the first time in the history of the cathedral, it is packed with all types of Islamist leaders in Egypt,” Shenouda told the gathering. “They all agree ... on the stability of this country and on loving it, working for it and working with the Copts as one hand for Egypt’s sake.”
The Brotherhood’s political party in a statement Saturday offered its condolences “to the Egyptian people and its Christian brothers.”
Parliament speaker Saad el-Katatny, a Brotherhood member, praised the pope in an evening session, calling him a “man respected among Coptic Christians and Muslims”for his love of Egypt and his opposition to Israel’s annexation of Jerusalem. Under a long-standing order, Shenouda barred his followers from pilgrimage to Jerusalem as a protest of Israel’s hold on the city.
Yousef Sidhom, editor of the privately owned Coptic newspaper Al-Watani newspaper, defended Shenouda’s approach in dealing with his community’s problems. “He used peaceful means and patience as the weapons of the church,” he said. “In the coming period we need to continue arming ourselves with these tools.”
However, another prominent Christian columnist, Karima Kamal, argued that the policies only further put Christians in a sectarian category.
“This was the mistake of Baba Shenouda and his predecessor. The state wanted to deal with Christians through one person. We want the state to deal with Christians as citizens and for the Church to step aside,” she said.
“I understand why this happened. The state forced the Church to play that role and the Christians had no other way except to go through the Church,” she said. “Christians are increasingly dealt with just as a sect.”
In an usually assertive political move, the Church discretely urged followers to back a liberal, secular-minded political bloc in the first post-Mubarak parliamentary elections late last year, hoping to balance religious parties. Nevertheless, the Muslim Brotherhood won nearly half the seats in parliament and now dominate the political scene. More radical Islamic Salafis won another fifth of the seats, deepening Christian worries.
Under Church law, the process of choosing Shenouda’s successor can take up to three months, though an interim leader will be picked within a week. A synod of archbishops, bishops and lay leaders will then form a committee to come up with three candidates. The names are then put in a box and a blindfolded acolyte picks one — a step meant to be guided by the will of God.
Two leading contenders are close associates of Shenouda. Archbishop Bishoy, head of the Holy Congregation, the main clerical leadership body, is seen as the more conservative figure; Archbishop Johannes, the pope’s secretary, is younger — in his 50s — and seen as having a wider appeal among youth.
Shenouda was born Nazeer Gayed on Aug. 3, 1923, in the southern city of Assiut. After entering the priesthood, he became an activist in the Sunday School movement, which was launched to revive Christian religious education.
At the age of 31, Gayed became a monk, taking the name Antonious El-Syriani and spending six years in the monastery of St. Anthony. After the death of Pope Cyrilos VI, he was elected to the papacy in 1971 and took the name Shenouda.
He had one significant clash with the government, in 1981 when he accused then-President Anwar Sadat of failing to rein in Islamic militants. Sadat said Shenouda was fomenting sectarianism and sent him into internal exile in the desert monastery of Wadi Natrun, north of Cairo. Sadat was assassinated later that year by militants. Mubarak ended Shenouda’s exile in 1985.
The incident illustrated the bind of Egypt’s Christians. When they press too hard for more influence, some Muslims accuse them of causing sectarian splits. Many Copts saw Mubarak as their best protection against Islamic fundamentalists — but at the same time, his government often made concessions to conservative Muslims.
During the 1990s, Islamic militants launched a campaign of violence, centred in southern Egypt, targeting foreign tourists, police and Christians until they were put down by a heavy crackdown.
In the past decade, Muslim-Christian violence has flared repeatedly, mainly in towns of the south and in the Mediterranean coastal city of Alexandria. Sometimes it was sparked by local disputes that took a sectarian tone, sometimes by disputes over the building of churches. The most startling attack came on New Year’s 2011, when suicide bombers attacked an Alexandria church, killing 21 worshippers.
At the same time, Christian emigration has increased tremendously. Coptic immigrants in the United States, Canada, and Australia number an estimated 1.5 million, according to the pope’s official Web site.
Throughout, Shenouda largely worked to contain anger among Copts.
But in one 2004 incident, he stepped aside to allow Coptic protests, sparked when Wafa Constantine, the wife of a priest, fled her home to convert to Islam. Many Christians accused police of encouraging or forcing Christians to convert. Amid the protests, Shenouda isolated himself at the Saint Bishoy monastery until the government ensured Constantine returned home. She was later quoted as saying she converted to Islam to divorce her husband, since divorce is banned by the Church.
Shenouda kept a strict line on church doctrine — including the ban on divorce, except in cases of adultery — in the face of calls by secular and liberal Copts for reform, including reducing the role of clergymen in Christians’ life.
In recent years, the ailing Shenouda travelled repeatedly to the United States for treatment. Yasser Ghobrial, a physician who treated Shenouda at a Cairo hospital in 2007, said he suffered from prostate cancer that spread to his colon and lungs.
Throughout his papacy, Shenouda insisted on the Copts’ place in Egypt, where they lived before the advent of Islam.
“Egypt is not a country we live in but a country that lives within us,” he often said.
AP correspondent Aya Batrawy in Cairo contributed to this report.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1148054--egyptian-coptic-christian-pope-shenouda-iii-dies

well I hated Sadat but at least he understood this satanist well!

 

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[Crystal]

In all my years of living in a christian country I never knew there were 2 popes in the world!

 

[Pygoscelis]

In all my years of living in a christian country I never knew there were 2 popes in the world!

Me neither. And it looks like both wear funny costumes. ;D

So now that this coptic pope is dead, how do they pick a new one? Is is the same method as the Vatican?

 

[جوري]

Egyptians Christians are Orthodox, naturally they feel that Anglicans and Catholics are both heathens and as such they need their own man to lead them into their believed brand of righteousness.. This particular chap though was a criminal to the nth degree.. so Praise be to God and good riddance although at the tender age of 89 it hardly seems like a triumph .. let's hope whomever afterward to lead astray err aright that flock isn't weaved of the same cloth...

 

[Endymion]

Oopss.. i thought he's the actor from the movie X-man.The old man played the role of "Magneto" :hmm:

I like his attire BTW :statisfie

 

[جوري]

I like his attire BTW

apparently he did too he was buried in it.. lol as the reporter said yesterday 'dofin fi malabisoho alkahntonya' bwahahaha

 

[Cabdullahi]

when is shenuda IV going to be released?

 

[Endymion]

'dofin fi malabisoho alkahntonya'

I tried to translate it and google identified that language as "Philipino" Didn't know you can speak Philipino as well sissi

when is shenuda IV going to be released?

Lol... Shenude sounds like an action movie to me :giggling:

 

[Cabdullahi]

kenobi

 

[جوري]

I tried to translate it and google identified that language as "Philipino" Didn't know you can speak Philipino as well sissi

Until Yesterday I didn't think such a word as 'alkahontya' exists.. I laughed until the cows mooed ;D;D

kenobi

oh please.. he's no Kenobi ...

 

[Endymion]

Translation phuleaseee.... i wanna laugh at Alkahoutya :hiding:

 

[جوري]

Translation phuleaseee.... i wanna laugh at Alkahoutya :hiding:

as in his priestly garb.. When the fellow commented on their funny clothing I said he too loved it so much he wanted to be buried in it and he sat there on his royal chair for three days bwahaha it is really very bizarre let me see if I can find a pic of him sitting there dead for three days on his royal throne which doubles as a toilet..

et voila.. there he's but I think he's a little undercooked a skilled veterinarian can bring him back to life

 

[Cabdullahi]

 

[جوري]

^^^^^^^^^^^ there ya gooooooooooooo :hmm:

 

[Al-manar]

I read lots of his written material ,watched many of his lectures ...
I can affirm ....Shnoda was a true moderate christian voice ,intellegent ,wise ,with a sense of humor ,was a christian testimony of islam's tolerance ,and a caller for coexistence,cooperation beween both the coptic muslims and the coptic christians.....

 

[جوري]

Many in Egypt in fact the majority would beg to differ with you and as much as I hated Sadat at least he knew the kind of unrest, schism and religious hatred this guy was inciting.
But then again you also through Qaddafi was a martyr so how can we accept your opinion as balanced?

 

[Al-manar]

Many in Egypt in fact the majority would beg to differ with you

from my childhood in the early 80's till early 2000's , I used to live in Egypt ,and never I listened to a muslim from the common people there accusing shnoda
with inciting unrest, schism and religious hatred .

I'm not a lover of the man neither of his religion... but that shouldn't stop me from being just, praising his attitude towards muslims ....

how should we judge a man , by his own words ,isn't it ?

just where that man either in his books or speeches inciting a religious hatered?

plz provide me with any article ,supporting your assumptions....


and regarding his story with al-sadat, that needs another post to get all of its details ...

to add.... the increased religious hatred among some people in Egypt , is due to other factors including basically the economic situation etc....

you also through Qaddafi was a martyr

my opinion ,and still, that the Rebellion in Lybia was a strategic mistake ..... I'm not alone with that understanding ...there are those who agree with me (including some in the board)........

whether my opinion regarding the Rebellion is balanced or biased is not the point here..... the point is whether Shnoda was as I said him to be or what you assume him to be .....
I can provide some of his material (In Arabic though ) to support my opinion , do you have any material to support otherwise ?

just a sample of the man's testimony of Islam's tolerance with christians

http://ar-ar.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=145892778830077



:wa:

 

[جوري]

There's a difference between giving a sermon and exercising an on the side political agenda which includes stealing land, inciting western powers against Muslims, and torturing converts. I think you've lived a rather sheltered life and have no clue what you're talking about. If asking Al Azhar to give up your newly converted sisters so they can be tortured in Christian monasteries is a good thing in your book and I'd have to assume that it is given your other political views that include Qaddafi then frankly there's nothing left to say.
Strategic mistake or not doesn't make a liquor drinking people torturing and murdering despot a martyr.
Truly this is the age where Allah swt is enabling us to nameez al'lkhabeeth min at'tyeb!