Sikhism

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No quoting anti-islamic articles. If you have any specific questions we'll discuss them inshaa'Allah.
 
may Allah Tala put hadaiyath on all of them Ameen!!
 
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I heard a story about when Sikhs people first came to saudi arabia, the people there thougt that they were muslims aswell.. because they also grow beards. So they strated to help them in getting them in the good places for work.. but later on they started to think because they never saw those men comming to the mosques on Juma :confused:
so from then they knew they werent muslim.....

pretty weird huh

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i heard that guru nanak was a muslim but he used to live in the wild so he never used to shave his hair and stuff. lol and he believed in one god and that.. but the other 10 gurus after him focused more on copying how the guy dressed up like and how he acted - eg. long beard, a knife to hunt and protect etc. - instead of focusing on what he did/believed spirtitually and mentally.


Allah (swt) knows best.


wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
 
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yeah I heard also that they believe in the Prophet Muhammad (sws).. that its written is some of their books but then the prophet has an other name well, basicly its the same name only in their language. And that he is the last prophet to come..
Like this was already mention in their books, before the time of the prophet. so like their book predict the comming of the prophet :confused:

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sikhism is a made up new so called religion....it waz created in da Sikh Period: 1762-1849 A.D.
The Sikhs established their empire in the Punjab after the death of the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir in 1707. With the death of Aurangzeb the country saw a series of rapid governmental changes that stressed it in to the depths of anarchy.


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We need to make sure that we remain respectful of all religions even if we disagree with them. Islam does not permit us to abuse and insult other religions, lest they respond in a similar manner towards us.
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true my mistake ........i shouldnt have said that........we r all creations of Allah Tala........Ameen
 
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yeah I heard also that they believe in the Prophet Muhammad (sws).. that its written is some of their books but then the prophet has an other name well, basicly its the same name only in their language. And that he is the last prophet to come..
Like this was already mention in their books, before the time of the prophet. so like their book predict the comming of the prophet :confused:

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I think your confused, sikhism came after Islam.I think your on about Hindusim where there are prophecies of the prophet PBUH
 
yeh.. but i heard it too - that the guru nanak was a muslim and he worshipped one god. but the people imitated his actions and dress code instead of focusing on the beliefs that he had.. but yeh u are right that it was mentioned in the hindu scriptures about our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) but under a different name. the same even applies in the persian scriptures:

http://www.geocities.com/islamicmiracles/prophet__foretold_in_parsi_scrip.htm

they even mentioned in the buddhist scriptures too!

http://www.geocities.com/islamicmiracles/prophet_in_buddhist_scriptures.htm

homepage to the site:

http://www.geocities.com/islamicmiracles/muhammad_peace_be_upon_him.htm

i think nearly all scriptures must have had it mentioned (because the people who had the original scriptures were probably really pious - and every nation who is told about islam will get judged) but the people must have changed their scriptures to suit their own needs.

Allah u a'lam

wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
 
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Most of the Sikhs I know are pretty cool, funny guys, actually.
 
salam, from wot i know, a teacher who studied sikhism was tellin us that gurunanak was from a hindu family but used to work with muslims, and he liked the muslims more than he liked the hindus, to an extent that he went and performed hajj... i dunno if this bit was true.
 
as-salam alaykum wara matulha dear beloved brothers and sisters

ive done dawah and sikhs for 2 years alhumdolilha so ill help with people who dont understand about sikhisma nd how to do dawa on sikhism for muslism :coolious:

The Gurus preached Sikh religion strictly as monotheistic- requiring belief in none other than One Supreme Being. Sikhs believe that all religions believe in the same God by different name. Hence, it is not religion that will save a person but his devotion towards the Supreme Being. In other important issue in Sikhism is the belief that God cannot take human form.



Ok basically this is was Sikhs believe now this was taken forma Sikh site. Ok now lets analyze this text. Gurus preached to belive in one god and in the time of guru nanak there were muslims therefore he was preaching what islam already had said. Sikhs also belive all religions are the same god but different name. ok this is something I don’t get now lets take the Hindu religion they belive in many gods some same 3 some say 300 and some say 3000 now how can u say that 1+1+1=1 now that makes now sense and how can u also same 1 god that hindus belive will be the same as the 2nd god hindus belive.??? Also Sikhs bleive you must devoate ur self to God, but what does islam mean submission to god which muslim already belive. So why would you bring the same relign but different name and different stuff added. Muslim belive god cant take human form so again why would Sikhs preach same things islam preaches. I belive if guru nanak had preached such stuff he did it to bring peace between the muslims and hindus like the neutral people basically.





Now this is another point taken from sikh websites ive looked at:

Sikh religion was founded by Guru Nanak in the form of ten Gurus or Masters (1469 - 1708) in India. The tenth Master, Gobind Singh, ended the personal Guruship and proclaimed Guru Guranth Sahib (The Holy Scripture) as the eternal spiritual guide.



Now how can a person be a founder of a religion now islam believes that allah was the founder of islam as it says : 2:208 O ye who believe! Enter into islam whole-heartedly; and follow not the footsteps of the evil one; for he is to you an avowed enemy. Also I belive that 1469 – 1708 were all the years of the guru so basically from 1469 first guru till 1708 the last guru. Now this point is very confusing if Nanak was the founder of Sikhism what was before Sikhism and if it was hindusim or islam or even chiristianity then why did god confuse you to change religion? However if you say no Sikhism was the religion so were people walking blanklessly with all wrong religions?? Also you belive that Granth sahib was the HOLY SCRIPTURE sent to Guru Gobin Singh now was Holy Scripture was before that??? Because muslims belive that there were many holy scripture which was sent and all were lost or changed and the quran was the last and has not been changed. LSO GURU Granth Shaib was not a divine revelation but a hymns which people wrote becuasase even muslims and hindus wrote hymns which were added in granth sahib.



here is another thign guru mean teacher and sikhg means learner so how can learner be a religon as islam mean submission to god so that makes sense as the first person was a muslim adam(a.s) but for sikhism the first SIKH was guru nanak, but i recall that guru nanak or teacher nanak you call him a prophet however he never did say that sikh is the rite religon he sed he is never muslim or hindu. so i can u then wsay he was a sikh and why would a person come to muslims and hindus and say the same thing that there is one god if muslims already belive in one god??



you recited these verses:
First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings.
O Allah, O Raam, I live by Your Name.
Allah is hidden in every heart; reflect upon this in your mind.



now if you analize these verse you see thta :
First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings

now this indicated that you do belive in the creation story how the world was created islamic prespective and also you belive everyone is mortal now this contradicts you recarnation theory why? becuase in theory u can become then immortal why becuase lets take this as an example im a waky person i kill loads of ppl i get recarnated to a snake then it goes up like snake to big lizard and then hopefully after many years human then i blow ppl again and thne the cycle keeps going now that contradictiing ur verse.



Now also i now its says :


Ok also i need to ask if all religon are rite then are going against the sikhism belief in beliving in one god (Wah he Guru) as hindus belive many gods and sikhs belive in one god?
Page 78, Line 13 -- Guru Ram Das
Akwl mUriq vru pwieAw AibnwsI nw kdy mrY n jwieAw ]
I have obtained my Husband Lord, the Akaal Moorat, the Undying Form. He is Imperishable; He shall never die, and He shall never ever leave.


does this mean that sikhs belive god was married???SINGH if it is is possible can i have ur msn so we can debate off the forum as well as on the forum

as-salam alaykum i have done many debates with sikhs in my area and alhumdolilha 2 have said the shadah maishallah but then the 2 went back to there orignal ways but ill show you how you have a debate with a sikh using this topic:

Now must sikhs would say to you the same that muslims belive that god lives in the kabah according to MUSLIMS.
this is from the granth shaib:

If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong?


now thats a funny one because hey you mite say muslims belive in that but its because thats hpow theyve been brougt up or understanded it. Ok now as i did i went in the quran in seearch for the House Of God and i could not find a single place were it say in the Holy Quran that makkah or a mosue is the house of god.

But i did incounter something:

3:96 The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:





Inna awwala baytin wudiAAa linnasi lallathee bibakkata mubarakan wahudan lilAAalameen
إِنَّ أَوَّلَ بَيْتٍ وُضِعَ لِلنَّاسِ لَلَّذِي بِبَكَّةَ مُبَارَكًا وَهُدًى لِّلْعَالَمِينَ


and also i encountered another surah :

22:26 Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) house, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My house for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).


Waith bawwana liibraheema makana albayti an la tushrik bee shayan watahhir baytiya littaifeena walqaimeena warrukkaAAi assujood
وَإِذْ بَوَّأْنَا لِإِبْرَاهِيمَ مَكَانَ الْبَيْتِ أَن لَّا تُشْرِكْ بِي شَيْئًا وَطَهِّرْ بَيْتِيَ لِلطَّائِفِينَ وَالْقَائِمِينَ وَالرُّكَّعِ السُّجُودِ

Therefore this means that the kabah and the mosque are the houses of worship.


il post some more tommoroow inshallah
 
Jazakallah khair for the post brother. I am also in contact currently with a sikh revert and have been emailing him with questions and tips on how to give da'wah to sikhs, it seems quite hard compared to giving dawah to people of other faiths. As soon as he's emailed me i will inshallah be putting up information

In addition to your post, i would also like to add that they don't eat helal meat, so how can they say we believe all religions are right when they say it is bad to kill animals in an islamic way, are they saying God was wrong and changed his mind?
Also they admitt Guru Nanek went on Hajj. This proves the theory of many islamic scholars of today that Guru Nanek was himself a muslim, apparently in the Guru Granth Sahib he's in a musjid and does adhan, but not sure on this.
But if sikhs still say Naneks not a muslim just because he went on hajj, then how is it possible for him to have gone to mecca, since only muslims are allowed inside, implieing he must have lied to get inside, which is unlike of a prophet
But yeah i agree i don't understand what they believe, bcos they can't possibly believe all faiths are right since there would be many contradictions, can there be a son of god and no son of god at the same time? Can there be heaven/hell and reincarnation at the same time? Can there be more than one god and one god at the same time, can there be a god and no god at the same time even?
So it must mean they believe only their faith is right, but then what about before Guru Nanek came along, who provided guidance then, why didn't the gurus mention it, because it can't have been prophets like Abraham jesus Moses etc PBUT because they talk a religion different to that of Sikhism, they were circumcised didn't eat pork, eat lawful meat, believed in heaven/hell
To this day no Sikh has been able to answer this to me. One sikh said to me one time that all religions came for a particular region and for a particular culture, all from God. But then why was sikhism brought? Because in india there was already Hinduism Christianity Buddhism and Islam, so was there really a need for another scripture, why not bring a new religion to somewhere like america or australia?
Neways i'll keep you posted inshallah with updates on my email conversations with a ex-sikh revert
 

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