Situation in Greece (and in Europe)

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منوة الخيال;1539863 said:


Good then take a hike.
As for who has been persecuted longer than whom, perhaps your selective history and selective reading has more to do with your level of expertise on the matter than what the actual truth is.
We're all going to die at some point. I am sure you'll get over it the same way we're being asked to get over it in so many words by your person.

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Please show the quote where I ask you to get over it. I don't recall saying "get over it" so I guess it is you who is not only selective in their reading but also reads words that are not there.
And yes we all read our own histories and we have our own favourite versions. Some are more accurate than others but none of them tell the whole truth because they are written by human beings all of who have their own slant on history.

And, yes, we are all going to die. some will die hating, others loving and still others with every emotion in between, so what.
 
Santoku said:
Please show the quote where I ask you to get over it. I don't recall saying "get over it" so I guess it is you who is not only selective in their reading but also reads words that are not there.
And yes we all read our own histories and we have our own favourite versions. Some are more accurate than others but none of them tell the whole truth because they are written by human beings all of who have their own slant on history.

And, yes, we are all going to die. some will die hating, others loving and still others with every emotion in between, so what.
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It is called abstract reasoning. Isn't that technically why on every other thread where some sentiment is growing toward an ill directed at Muslims for being just that Muslims, you rear your ugly words with something condescending, negatory and minimizing of the situation?
You see yourself as dying 'loving'? lol thanks for the guffaw!
 
منوة الخيال;1539868 said:


How does a 5 year war (of which many were persecuted) compare to a 60+ year holocaust if we're speaking of the plight of Palestinians alone, or is 5 tantamount 60+ in your book? You're delusional at best!
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I do not believe I did compare the war to the Palestinians' plight. I was talking about the situation in Greece, which is what this thread was originally about, it seems however that you are spoiling for a fight and I really cannot be bothered at this moment in time to correct your continual misquotes, so I am going to "take a hike" as you so delicately put it, although I question your authority to give such a command.
 
Santoku said:
I do not believe I did compare the war to the Palestinians' plight. I was talking about the situation in Greece, which is what this thread was originally about, it seems however that you are spoiling for a fight and I really cannot be bothered at this moment in time to correct your continual misquotes, so I am going to "take a hike" as you so delicately put it, although I question your authority to give such a command.
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What would you like? stratify suffering to meet with your sensibilities based on your allegations of 'ancestral suffering'? You're such a hoot especially when in the same breath questioning my authority? Who the heck are you that your disapprovals should be at all taken into consideration?
 
With regard to concentration camps:

The term 'concentration camp' dates from the Boer War in South Africa. The British forces were struggling against hit and run tactics from the Boers, so they resorted to rounding up whole populations in some areas, to remove the support for the guerilla fighters. In other words, the people were 'concentrated' into one place (hence the name). These camps were intended purely as temporary internment centres. However, overcrowding and incompent management led to the outbreak of disease and many civilians died. As a result they received very negative publicity both in Britain and elsewhere.

The same term came to be used for the Nazi camps in WW2. Some were ordinary POW camps, but others of course were designed as execution centres for the Final Solution equipped with gas chambers etc. This is now the accepted meaning of the phrase 'concentration camp' - the Nazi version, not the earlier Boer War camps. It would have been clearer if a new name had been given to these camps, but that's the way it turned out.
 
Santoku said:
As one who had kin who died in a REAL concentration camp I suggest you check up on what a concentration camp really is. Unless of course you have pictures of mass graves and crematoria with dozens of naked, gassed muslims being fed into them.
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Since when did concentration camp become the monopoly of eastern european jews?
 
Futuwwa said:
Does anyone here actually believe this? Because Heydrich fails economics forever.
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Who knows ever since the financial crisis out of every corner comes some fool with the brilliant discovery that money can be printed at will and has no underlying value. As if that wasn't the point of the system. Really strange that some people that actually studied and got some MBA sell it as news as if there are no classes on he banking system. This must be those people that only learn the Math formulas and how to apply them but never got the meaning.

Though this one is an especially foolish one. I am not sure the author really understands what money is or has ever heard anything about inflation. Germany could also just give green light and tell the ECB to buy all the Greek debt. Problem solved they have infinite money. Well they weren't given a choice now but that is considered the nuclear solution for a reason. Printing press is no free bee. If the Eurozone shares inflation due to printing money they might as well just give out euro bonds which many don't want. Sharing the interest rate at least doesn't decrease the value of wages, pension funds and everything else.
ECB says they can keep the inflation low because they take the money out at different places. Some economist even said that some more inflation would be good for all the Eurozone. It is difficult to answer but saying there is no debt and you can always print money for no cost is foolish.

If the US prints too much money and inflation kicks in the interest on their debt will rise sharply. If the debt buyer knows that in 12 months the money will be worth 10% less he will ask that much interest at least + something. Once the interest gets too high debt rises way faster than it can be payed of. So the government needs to print more money to stay solvent which will increase inflation even more and interest and so on. Which means at some point it is better to just default than wipe out the value of every dollar note there is. In the end there is no difference between defaulting via not paying or via inflation.
 
Jedi_Mindset said:
I myself dont agree with the article on many points but some points might be either true, it depends on how you see it.
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The article fails not only on some points, but is based on an entirely faulty premise. It claims that debt is not an issue since governments can just print money. Which might be true in principle, but should they resort to it, massive inflation would follow, ergo printing away the debt would essentially be the same as taxing those who have money (as the real value of their money decreases) to pay the debt. Printing money to pay off a debt is a last resort that causes massive economic damage via an inflation bomb, it's not some magic solution the government can do but chooses not to in order to be able to gouge social spending, as the author claims.

And the idea that US money handouts to Israel don't matter "because Israel can print money" is equally absurd. Israel is only able to print its domestic currency, the shekel, and were it to do it to buy arms, it would again be a tax on its own citizenry, and cause the effect of inflation. And the printed money would not buy Israel much arms from the US, since money-printing decreases the value of a national currency and makes it worthless on the international currency market.

There is no such thing as a free lunch in economics, and there are no easy effortless magic fixes. Money printing definitely isn't one.
 

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